Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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You know what the deal is sadly, and yet still persist in your diptotty bag of tricks because you can't resolve the issue that has been raised. It is a breach of debating etiquette and you've already lost credibility. Go on if you like.
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Dear Brother
These are your quoted verses(67)
These examples of yours show that you do not know even what diptote and triptote is .
In all of these verses it is used as "Diptote"
May ask you what are diptote and triptotes ?
I was not expecting such type of ignorance from a person who belongs to an Arabi speaking country (If I am not wrong).Is Arabic not taught over there ?
RegardsDear brother
those are not his quoted verses, I hate to say that but you have proved yourself a liar and above all you have no courage to accept your fault. this is not the behaviour of a student of quran. nope
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Dear brother
those are not his quoted verses, I hate to say that but you have proved yourself a liar and above all you have no courage to accept your fault. this is not the behaviour of a student of quran. nope
Peace ;
No problem you put down his quoted verses it these are those.Do not give numbers but copy paste actual.
If you want to help him ,define Diptotes and how to identify them with evidence .
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define Diptotes and how to identify them with evidence .
RegardsSalaam q_student
You brought up the issue of diptotes and triptotes. Please define them if you believe that others do not understand what they are. This is a learnig forum, and not a wrestling ring. I am waiting to see if you know your diptotes from your triptotes, and that you do not ask anymore anyone else about them before explaining them.
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Salaam q_student
You brought up the issue of diptotes and triptotes. Please define them if you believe that others do not understand what they are. This is a learnig forum, and not a wrestling ring. I am waiting to see if you know your diptotes from your triptotes, and that you do not ask anymore anyone else about them before explaining them.
Peace sister
Please consult W.Wright or some other standard book about the definition and bring it up for the readers.I will appreciate.
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Peace sister
Please consult W.Wright or some other standard book about the definition and bring it up for the readers.I will appreciate.
RegardsSalaam q_student
I am the one asking you to show to the others that you do not know diptotes nor triptotes. I am not a part of your silly game, and don't make me one. Why don't you do it yourself? I will appreciate, too.
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Salaam q_student
I am the one asking you to show to the others that you do not know diptotes nor triptotes. I am not a part of your silly game, and don't make me one. Why don't you do it yourself? I will appreciate, too.
Peace Samia
Let the actual debater Ayman accept that he does not know ,then I will put.
Why don't you ask him to put it or accept it.
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Peace Ayman, nwryn, everyone,
The word "ramadhan" has two connotations, hot and red. Only the full-moon after the solstice fits those two connotations since it occurs during the hottest time of the year and is also red.
I think nwryn raises a very good point. I have been thinking about this for a while. Logically, the full-moon closest to the summer solstice will be hotter and redder, and should be considered as shahr ramadhaan. I think we need to undertake a scientific study to resolve this issue and see which one is hotter and redder, the one closest to the summer solstice or the one after the summer solstice.
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Peace Ayman, nwryn, everyone,
I think nwryn raises a very good point. I have been thinking about this for a while. Logically, the full-moon closest to the summer solstice will be hotter and redder, and should be considered as shahr ramadhaan. I think we need to undertake a scientific study to resolve this issue and see which one is hotter and redder, the one closest to the summer solstice or the one after the summer solstice.
Peace
The word "Ramadhan " is a proper noun it cannot be translated as you cannot translate January ,February etc .It cannot be translated.Secondly,the word "Ramadha' does not have meaning of "Redness" in it. Third "Shahr" never means full moon.
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Peace Truthseeker,
I think nwryn raises a very good point. I have been thinking about this for a while. Logically, the full-moon closest to the summer solstice will be hotter and redder, and should be considered as shahr ramadhaan. I think we need to undertake a scientific study to resolve this issue and see which one is hotter and redder, the one closest to the summer solstice or the one after the summer solstice.
I would be glad to consider other alternatives. However, in this case I think this is pretty well scientifically and logically established. Unless you live on the equator where it is always hot, the hottest time of the year will start after the summer solstice and not before.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
My research so far indicates that you are right. Following are the average temperatures for NYC before and after summer solstice
http//www.accuweather.com/us/ny/new-york/10001/forecast-normals.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=1&zipchg=1&metric=0&month=6
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Peace Samia
Let the actual debater Ayman accept that he does not know ,then I will put.
Why don't you ask him to put it or accept it.
RegardsThis is not about Ayman nor Rassulhamsa. It's about your unacceptable way of discussing. From your response I understand that you are unable to answer the very question you think you are challenging others with, so please do not participate with the intention of challenging others and intimidating them, thus derailing serious discussions. . End of this discussion.
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Peace everyone,
The night of the scorching full-moon for 2009 is coming on July 6 for the Northern Hemisphere. Therefore, the fast starts on July 7 for 10 days and so the last day of fasting is July 16th. Here is the data for the Washington DC Area
WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
W 77 02, N38 53
Altitude and Azimuth of the Moon
Jul 6, 2009
Eastern Standard Time
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1930 0.6 123.5 1.00
1940 2.0 125.1 1.00
1950 3.5 126.6 1.00
2000 4.9 128.2 1.00
2010 6.4 129.9 1.00
2020 7.8 131.6 1.00
2030 9.2 133.3 1.00
2040 10.5 135.0 1.00
2050 11.9 136.8 1.00
2100 13.1 138.7 1.00
2110 14.4 140.5 1.00
2120 15.6 142.5 1.00
2130 16.7 144.4 1.00
2140 17.8 146.5 1.00
2150 18.8 148.5 1.00
2200 19.8 150.6 1.00
2210 20.7 152.8 1.00
2220 21.5 155.0 1.00
2230 22.3 157.2 1.00
2240 23.0 159.5 1.00
2250 23.7 161.8 1.00
2300 24.2 164.1 1.00
2310 24.7 166.5 1.00
2320 25.1 168.9 1.00
2330 25.5 171.3 1.00
2340 25.7 173.8 1.00
2350 25.9 176.2 1.000000 26.0 178.7 1.00
0010 26.0 181.1 1.00
0020 26.0 183.6 1.00
0030 25.8 186.1 1.00
0040 25.6 188.5 1.00
0050 25.3 191.0 1.00
0100 24.9 193.4 1.00
0110 24.5 195.8 1.00
0120 23.9 198.1 1.00
0130 23.3 200.5 1.00
0140 22.6 202.7 1.00
0150 21.9 205.0 1.00
0200 21.1 207.2 1.00
0210 20.2 209.4 1.00
0220 19.2 211.5 1.00
0230 18.2 213.6 1.00
0240 17.2 215.7 1.00
0250 16.1 217.7 1.00
0300 14.9 219.6 1.00
0310 13.7 221.5 1.00
0320 12.4 223.4 1.00
0330 11.1 225.2 1.00
0340 9.8 227.0 1.00
0350 8.4 228.8 1.00
0400 7.0 230.5 1.00
0410 5.6 232.2 1.00
0420 4.1 233.8 1.00
0430 2.7 235.4 1.00
0440 1.3 237.0 1.00From
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.phpPeace,
Ayman
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That fast is going to be hard... aprox. 18-19 hours in summer...good luck.
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Peace Progressive1993,
That fast is going to be hard... aprox. 18-19 hours in summer...good luck.
Thanks for the encouragement. Keep in mind that per 2184, those who can fast but with difficulty, can instead feed the needy.
Notice that feeding the needy at the time of hardship is described as taking the steep path in 9014-16. Fasting on the hottest time of the year and when days are longest is also taking the steep path.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace everyone,
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The poor don't have enough food to eat for the whole year and they are in a perpetual state of abstinence from food for the whole year. The annual time of abstinence will actually be a time for them to rejoice because some believers might feed them and they will have enough food for at least the duration of abstinence. I know a person who is poor and she resides in a highly developed country. She has been eating only once a day for a long time now. What I am talking about is a reality.
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The annual abstinence is only for the mumineen/believers and not for all muslimeen. There are a lot of poor muslimeen too; not all of them are mumineen.
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There are an overwhelming majority of poor who are not even muslimeen. The qur'aan does not ask us to feed the poor muslimeen only. They could belong to any faith or religion.
A little common sense goes a long way to understand the qur'aanic commandments.
The only time there will be no poor to feed during the time of abstinence is if there are no more poor people in the world which is impossible or if all the poor people are also mumineen which is again impossible
6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
This sign makes it clear that the majority of the people lead away from the god's path so all poor people in the world being mumineen will be impossible.
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Peace Ahmad,
I have a question about the period of "shahru ramadaan"... Based on 2184, you agree that we can substitute the action of "seyaam" by feeding the poor. However, shouldn't the poor people be fasting/abstaining from food too (if this is what the act of seyaam is implying)? What if we approach a poor muslim, can he eat during this period if he witnesses the "shahru ramadaan"? Or is it possible that the act of "seyaam" is referring to something other than abstaining from eating and drinking? I was just wondering, since this is something I couldn't understand from the passage... How do we know that the Qur'aanic command to "abstain" is speaking about from eating and drinking?
I think that 2187 makes it clear that the abstinence is from the following 3 things
- Sexual contact
- Food
- Drink
The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset. What do the poor do now when they fast 30 days using the sectarian timing? Does everyone stop feeding the poor because of this and they starve to death? Certainly not! In fact, during those 30 days the poor have a lot more access to food because many good citizens set up public feasts at sunset.
Peace,
Ayman
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The poor should be abstaining too. However, everyone, poor or not can eat after sunset.
When do you break your fast? Full darkness of the night or dusk?