Time To Change Your Paradigm
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Gravity
Disproof of Gravityhttp//www.gsjournal.net/old/science/guerami.pdf
Seven things that don't make sense about gravity http//www.newscientist.com/special/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity
"Gravity Doesn't Exist" --Is this Fundamental Phenomenon of the Universe an Illusion?http//www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/11/gravity-doesnt-exist-is-gravity-an-illusion.html-
Did you read these texts?
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The pdf is a joke. There is absolutely no proof of anything in there. This guy agrees that less dense things rise, while denser things sink. But he goes on saying that this rising and sinking is INSTEAD of gravity. He says there is no need for gravity since e.g. the rising of a helium balloon can be explained by difference in density. Oh, But he forgot to mention why denser things are forced downward in place of less dense things. He forgot about gravity.
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The new scientist link just highlights how gravity is not very well known... it's mysterious in many ways. Does incomplete knowledge about something make it false or non-existent? I think not.
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The last link just talks about a guy who questions stuff about gravity and things connected to gravity. He likens gravity with temperature... and talks about how they are meaning full at some scales and not meaningful at other scales.
Apart from the guy in the pdf, who doesn't prove anything at all, the other two links don't say anything about gravity not existing. At most, what they are saying is that the thing which we call gravity, which makes things fall to the ground, because things do fall to the ground, is perhaps not very well known as a physical phenomenon. They might be questioning how gravity is used to explain, and explained by, other physical theories.
I'd like to know what flat earth supporters would define gravity as. What is it that they claim doesn't exist. What is in the word "gravity"? What is it that doesn't exist? It would be quite silly to insist that something doesn't exists while not knowing what you are referring to. Things do fall to the ground. Call it whatever you want. As of now it is called as an effect of gravity.
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A Hobbglobbery doesn't exist!
B What is hobbglobbery?
A I don't know?
B But you know it doesn't exist?
A Yes..
B brickwallPeace
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Another question
How come different places of Earth have access to different parts of the sky?
The star constellations vary depending on where you are in the world.
A spherical Earth would explain this.This has nothing to do with the sun. Even if we believe that the sun has a cylinder shaped shade to block off light to reach other than day light areas, how are areas of the night sky varied and divided into sections that gradually change depending on how you move?
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Dear hicham9
Here is my challenge to you Can you show me any evidence of a South Polar flight? What I mean by this is a flight that takes off from Australia, crosses Antarctica, and reaches South America? If you can do that, I will rest my case and congratulate you. The fact is you cannot. Even Wikipedia denies the existence of such flights.
Here is a quote from Wikipedia
Few airlines fly between cities having a great circle route over Antarctica. Direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, but no airline has scheduled such flights.
Yes, there are tourist flights that go to Antarctica. I am not denying the presence of this place. Ships sail there, people even go to do kayak and sightseeing. What I am trying to make you undertand is that Antarctica is basically a huge ice shelf which surrounds the Earth. It is not a continent that you can circle around or fly over. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this?
The deeper reaches of this shelf are guarded by the military, and airplanes are turned away. The reason the maps hicham9 posted don't show this, is because they are innacurate in their portrayal of the rim. They are too primitive, eventhough they do give you a general idea of how the land masses are laid out in a flat plane
Peace.
Peace Pazuzu
I never said there are flights crossing antrarctica from australia/nz to south america.
Initially you mentioned(and the gentleman in the video) there is no direct non-stop flights from australia/nz to south america. That information is wrong since there is direct non-stop 11 hour flight from Auckland to Santiago which I have personally taken. So objecting to that wrong information provided in the video that those flights are just phantom flights. Btw there is direct non-stop flight from Sydney to Santiago by Qantas also which takes around 12 hours.
http//www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/route-maps/global/en
These flights do not need to cross antractica just crosses the ocean .
Now if there is something else going on these flight I don't know. Like in the other video someone says flight tracker does not show this flights after taking off. So they doubt the actual route of these flights. But the fact is those flights I mentioned are real,not some made up phantom flights.
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I think you will find it little effective reasoning with flat earthers. In that sense they are very similar to the hadithers.
Peace
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Did you read these texts?
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The pdf is a joke. There is absolutely no proof of anything in there. This guy agrees that less dense things rise, while denser things sink. But he goes on saying that this rising and sinking is INSTEAD of gravity. He says there is no need for gravity since e.g. the rising of a helium balloon can be explained by difference in density. Oh, But he forgot to mention why denser things are forced downward in place of less dense things. He forgot about gravity.
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The new scientist link just highlights how gravity is not very well known... it's mysterious in many ways. Does incomplete knowledge about something make it false or non-existent? I think not.
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The last link just talks about a guy who questions stuff about gravity and things connected to gravity. He likens gravity with temperature... and talks about how they are meaning full at some scales and not meaningful at other scales.
Apart from the guy in the pdf, who doesn't prove anything at all, the other two links don't say anything about gravity not existing. At most, what they are saying is that the thing which we call gravity, which makes things fall to the ground, because things do fall to the ground, is perhaps not very well known as a physical phenomenon. They might be questioning how gravity is used to explain, and explained by, other physical theories.
I'd like to know what flat earth supporters would define gravity as. What is it that they claim doesn't exist. What is in the word "gravity"? What is it that doesn't exist? It would be quite silly to insist that something doesn't exists while not knowing what you are referring to. Things do fall to the ground. Call it whatever you want. As of now it is called as an effect of gravity.
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A Hobbglobbery doesn't exist!
B What is hobbglobbery?
A I don't know?
B But you know it doesn't exist?
A Yes..
B brickwallPeace
If you check my post after that one I actually made the comment similar to yours.
What they have done is demonize and mock all these ancient "beliefs", to make us seem like fools for giving credit to them.
I don't think they demonize and mock all ancient beliefs. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been cabal groups, human sacrifice or praise for cities like Pompeii in today's time. The problem with flat earth theory is that it doesn't explain why the rest of the planets, sun and moons are round in shape. It would be a little too weird to think that only ours would be flat. Others here have raised many points on how flat earth theory isn't compatible with what we see in the nature.
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What might be the reason(s) for lying about the earth being spherical as opposed to being flat?
To summarize and where this eventually seems to lead to is the understanding among flat earth adherents that you disbelieve in God if you think that the earth is not flat and you follow the devils/occults by way of adhering to the theory that the earth is not a flat plane. And so the entire basis of salvation and acceptance of you in God's eyes is the flat vs sphere theory - at least that's what it appears to be from what I have been reading here so far.
In my humble opinion, we are completely deluded by arguing about this anyway. The Quran stresses believing in The All-Mighty and the day of judgement and to do good to mankind.
This whole flat vs sphere vs egg vs cylindrical nonsense is only creating a divide between believers even when it is a non-issue.
The Quran stresses morality, that is a big issue, why is everyone keen to argue over something that has no basis in morality?
If the earth is flat so it's flat, if it's spherical, so it's spherical, if it's egg shaped - so be it, I personally have no problem with it being whatever, because it does not make any difference to what real issues are.
This is like the 19 code thing all over again where you are guided if you accept Dr Khalifa and his claims, and you are a kaffir or infidel or disbeliever if you don't.
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This is a forum. People debate here. If you don't like debate, what are you doing on a forum?
Peace
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Is this universe not Gods creation? If it is, trying to understand this universe is understanding Gods message. Quran has plenty of references to this universe, used as a clear sign for the one Gods authority.
On a personal level, before I ever read Quran I was studying big bang theory and heavily intrigued by it. When I first read Quran, this to me was the undeniable proof Quran is a message from God. There is not one book in existence that is still compatible with modern scientific understanding that is as old as Quran. This discovery to me was that important I literally can't understand people who live with a faith that TOTALLY contradicts any scientific understanding. Science is a method. A scientific understanding is only valid and true until it is contradicted by empirical evidence. Many times scientific theories have been proven wrong or adjusted because of contradicting empirical evidence. This doesn't mean one should give up on science entirely. Giving up on science is literally giving up on trying to find out. Giving up on the scientific method turns you into a bigot. The earth being a sphere is empirically still true and valid. There is no better theory we have right now but big bang theory. I'm pretty convinced the majority of big bang is true, we can empirically prove this by measuring radiation. There is no better theory we have but evolution theory.
Neither big bang nor evolution theory contradict quran. Quran even supports the idea quite explicitly.
Quran is superior to any scientific model in the sense that it answers questions like why the planets and moons in our solar system have such a balanced, finetuned orbit relative to each other. Quran answers the origin of initial singularity. Questions science still fails to answer. The understanding of creation is in Quran superior. The understanding of many people however is far inferior to that of modern scientific understanding. So it's totally understandable most people who don't understand science also fail to understand Qurans truths about matters such as the origin of this universe and life.
Peace
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This is a forum. People debate here. If you don't like debate, what are you doing on a forum?
There is a difference between debate and being judgmental or arguing.
I am sorry brother, but you have completely missed my point. But thank you for the hostile question.Salaam ualaikum
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There is a difference between debate and being judgmental or arguing.
I am sorry brother, but you have completely missed my point. But thank you for the hostile question.Salaam ualaikum
I'm debating flat earth here. What have you contributed so far on-topic except judging others like myself of being hostile and judgmental? If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Peace
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Peace All.
Time to use our ears,eyes and brain.
Come on folks you have an opportunity not attained by older generations to check things with good reasoning and knowledge ( which you have a big advantage over the old generations).
You have the technology, the resources and the means to check what shape the earth you live in is?
Are there planes? do you all agree? Are there rockets that go up to space? do you all agree? Satellites?...and so on... that have seen the earth from above and taken pictures? Of course there are also fake pictures ,but it does not mean all the pictures facts are fake?
Love it or hate it there is some wonderful Science that has freed humanity and shown us some amazing facts.
One of the facts is that the earth is Spherical and rotates along with all the other planets ,stars and galaxies.
Actually the description of the day and night in Qoran confirms the rotation of the earth.
Also When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of God, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
Anyway ,I see why GOD says the humans will carry on disputing with each other until the day of judgement . Then GOD sorts out all the disputes?
Personally I think this issue is proven beyond doubt. The earth is spherical like the rest of the planets and rotates around itself and around the sun ...the sun rotates around another orbit, our solar system rotates around its orbit , galaxies rotate...and so on...Not only that, but as all the galaxies are orbiting, the whole universe is expanding ,until such a time when GOD folds it like you would fold a "book". Just like HE created it from a singularity( a big bang) ,He will reverse the process...
Yes folks both the earth and the sun are spherical and rotate around their own orbit
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Have you not seen how your Lord designed the shadow? If He willed, He could have made it fixed, then we would have designed the sun accordingly.Anyway carry on debating.
GOD bless you.
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Salam
What's wrong with the term "Preconceived idea"?
English is not my mother tongue.I apologize If I error.But If you are here to mock or ridicule other then FUN YUCK yourself.
Hope you guys are familiar with cartoon network. In cartoon gravity works only when the character looks down. Same here.Round earth,gravity,mission mars,cosmic swim,moon landing,sun's distance,its perimeter everything work absolutely fine as long as we bow our head(way of thinking) before them. Someone is asking to take him to the edge of earth so that he can see the ice rim. Why so far? Just step outside your home, buy a sextant, measure the distance b2in sun and earth,then invite us.
NASA has a huge contribution in science.So we should believe every word they say. P what a saying. I am not a NASA hater. I hate the bullshit they utter. Cristian missionary doing some good work in poor countries.So should we believe that Jesus is the son of GOD?
As per NASA, Lunar eclipse occurs when sun, earth,moon are aligned exactly(180 degree straight line) with the earth in middle. Then what about daytime lunar eclipse? How will you explain it with above theory? Then This very NASA will come forward with a new theory. BOOM.
So far BIG BANG,Expanding Universe theory is concerned watch the following video to have a glimpse of that
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kWe7akPoOAOkay respected globe earthers, enjoy the show of NASA(North American Space Actors) and brace yourself for "Developed string theory".
No more so called debate(Actually mockery).
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{When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of God, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do}...
Actually the description of the day and night in Qoran confirms the rotation of the earth.
Resorting to interpretational gymnastics to make the Quran conform with pseudo-science will not avail you. You have mis-quoted the above passage,which is describing the state that mountains will be in, when the Hour arrives. You have rendered it outside of its context, while ignoring the other passages of the Quran which describe the moutains as being firm and stable.
See the following
1519 / 1615 / 2131 / 2761 / 4110 / 7932.
As for the passage in 2788, it is using the present tense to describe the "passing" of the mountains at the end of time (future event). Use of the past or present tense to describe a future event is a phenomenon that occurs many times in the Quran.
Here are the other passages describing "moving" mountains. Read them and pay attention to their context
529,10 / 6913,14 / 78 18-20 / 81 1-3
As for the progression of night and day, there s nothing in the Quran which even remotely suggests that the Earth is moving. The night and day cycle is due to the sun circling above us. And I have already posted for you evidence showing you the true distance from the earth to the sun, which can be measured using a simple device and calculation, as well as the real diameter of the sun. It is 3000 miles from us, and it measures around 60 kilometers in diameter.
read 2133 and 3640.
Where is the indication that the Earth is moving?
dear seekingtruth1111
I will clarify this issue once and for all.
Besides the plane dissapearing from GPS, the "strange" thing that happens on the direct flight from Auckland to Santiago, even if it does not stop to refuel, is that about two thirds of the way through the trip, the airplane will be flying parallel to a land mass which, according to your perspective of what the Earth looks like, should not even exist.
Look at the map of the spherical Earth and tell me if you see any land mass whatsoever between New Zealand and Chile. If this is what the Earth looks like, the trip should be an open ocean flight.
Do me a small favor. The next time you book such a flight, look out your window (or the window on the opposite isle) after you have been flying for about 7-8 hours. I guarantee you that you will see a distant coastline that should not be there. This is the coastline of Central America. If you are flying during the day (which I suspect might not be the case), and the weather is clear, you will see the coastline. If the fight is during the night, you will see the lights even from the airplane. Snap a photo of it (unless you are also going to disbelieve what you are seing through the window).
If you don't see the coastline, I will personally refund the price of your ticket.
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Round earth,gravity,mission mars,cosmic swim,moon landing,sun's distance,its perimeter everything work absolutely fine as long as we bow our head(way of thinking) before them
Peace, neion.
I agree. They have to invent theoretical concepts in order to pass their deception on the world. They invented "gravity" to explain how the water of the ocean can curve and stay together at the "bottom of the globe". So they made us believe in this theoretical force from the Earth which pulls objects towards it, and called it gravity.
When you lift up an object and release it from a height, it falls because of its own mass and density with respect to the air around it. The force that makes it fall is within the object itself, not in the Earth.
No one is denying science, nor technology, nor the benefits (and harms) they have done to humanity. But when you use your knowledge of real, empirical science (which can be verified using simple means) to deviantly sneak in pseudo-science (which relies on optical tricks and theoretical concepts) that's a totally different issue.
Regards.
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When you lift up an object and release it from a height, it falls because of its own mass and density with respect to the air around it. The force that makes it fall is within the object itself, not in the Earth.
Sir,
Objects that have mass, why do they fall at all?
Mass is not same as weight. Mass is just a heap of molecules. Why would everything that has mass (all objects, including air) move on their own? And why would they choose the same direction (downward as we see it)?Density is not really a factor here. The density just determines the "priority" in falling downward. Denser things have more "power" to fall downward than less dense objects. This is why a mixture of air "has priority" to be as low as possible (closer to ground) than e.g. a region of helium (contained in a balloon. That helium has less density than air is just because helium atoms are lighter than the atoms that make up air. One balloon of helium has less mass than one balloon of air, and thus less density.)
What sort of force are you referring to that is intrinsic to all objects (all mass)? Isn't this force more mysterious than even gravity? If we have an attractive force that acts between centers of mass (e.g. a spherical Earth and an apple), at least there is no question about the direction of this force (gravity), but if all apples have individual forces, how come they are all directed in exactly the same direction?
What is a force anyway? It's a relationship... something that connects.... an interaction. Forces are known through their effect. If the "downward force intrinsic to apples" actually originated and emanated from the apple, what is it acting on? Itself? A force just sitting in one place hiding, makes no difference or action. A force acts of something.
Isn't it that the word gravity is rejected for the very reason that it supports (or at least is used to support and explain) a spherical Earth? Isn't it a bit like sunnis first celebrating the 19 code as a miracle of the Quran, and then vehemently rejecting it when it turned out it is used to show how false hadith and sunna is as divine instruction? I mean, apples DO fall to the ground. SOMETHING makes them fall to the ground, and it has to be a force acting on BOTH the apple and something else, whether it be the center of the Earth mass (in the spherical model), or something else (in the flat Earth model). Perhaps it is not so much about gravity itself, or code 19, but rather their implications.
Peace
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Sir,
No need to use such titles.
Please read this
http//ncse.com/rncse/27/5-6/gravity-its-only-theory
Gravity is a theory. Mass is reality.
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NASA has a huge contribution in science.So we should believe every word they say. P what a saying. I am not a NASA hater. I hate the bullshit they utter. Cristian missionary doing some good work in poor countries.So should we believe that Jesus is the son of GOD?
Given the fact that Christian missionaries are a disease and that they don't contribute anything of value to the poor countries but infact ruin them there is no reason to believe any words they say especially when their religion is bullshit were there is no evidence of their Jesus. I never said that you should believe every word NASA says because of their contributions however if you hate NASA then why enjoy their inventions? But you stated that you don't so I understand. It seemed like some people actually hates NASA mostly because its findings contradict their religion or traditions. The fact remains that NASA has contributed more to planet Earth than the religious. I'm glad that you admit that NASA (assuming you did) is a huge contributer to science. I really don't understand how you can still believe in the flat Earth myth given the fact that others space agencies (Not only NASA) have acknowledged that it is a myth. The Muslim austronats (Both from the side of the Soviet and the US) never complained
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_astronauts
Muhammed Faris flew as a Research Cosmonaut in the Interkosmos program on Soyuz TM-3 to the Mir space station in July 1987, spending 7 days 23 hours and 5 minutes in space. He did not mention anything about a flat Earth. No austronat has whether it be from the Russian side or the US side who both still hate each other ever since the Cold War. The ones who are spreading this misinformation is you and many other religious. If NASA was lying (especially on this) as you keep claiming it would have been leaked out a long time ago especially given the fact that Russians have a space agency too and so do the Indians. And then you have the European space agency. The Chinese have one as well.
Most videos that tries to 'expose' NASAs videos are often uploaded by Christian apologists whom makes no sense at all. It is one of the reasons to why I do not take these videos seriously. Their religion has already been knockedout by science. Religious people like these will always be primitive. There is no contribution they themselves have brought to Earth. They think their religion which has caused many dead is a 'contribution'. Until then they will remain primitive.
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No need to use such titles.
Please read this
http//ncse.com/rncse/27/5-6/gravity-its-only-theory
Gravity is a theory. Mass is reality.
Brother,
Ok I read it.
This blog also says that Round Earth people have great problems explaining why airplanes can fly. Really? Is the existence of air molecules fake? Does something with wings fly better, same or worse that something without wings? They operate under the same circumstances. What ha this to do with gravity? Anyhow.
"There is, indeed, evidence that the Theory of Gravity is having a grave effect on morality. Activist judges and left-leaning teachers often use the phrase "what goes up must come down" as a way of describing gravity, and relativists have been quick to apply this to moral standards and common decency."
This above quote smells like emotional religious propaganda, using generalizations and stereotypes to issue moral judgement. Where's the science? Anyhow.
I'm still confused as to what exactly it is that is being rejected here (when talking about gravity).
I hope people are not rejecting the fact that apples do fall to the ground. They do!
Why use the fringe application of the theory of gravity to dismiss all about gravity? This is not about judging gravity as a package. Of course, there are so many things in science that we don't understand, but why reject an entire concept?According to flat Earth theory, what makes apples fall to the ground?
Does the flat Earth theory say that there is something that dictates what is up and what is down? It must be some sort of force. Is there a name for the phenomenon of things falling to the ground?Peace
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If mass determines why an object falls to the ground, what makes the objects falling down accelerate with increasing velocity? There is obviously a force acting on the falling object, pulling it back towards the ground even when there is air resistance.