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Time To Change Your Paradigm

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    yellowdog8272
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    lmao nasa illuminati CONFIRMED

    http//s13.postimg.org/l71nlim6v/nasat_Logo_570x450.png

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      FreedomStands
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      lmao nasa illuminati confirmed

      http//s13.postimg.org/l71nlim6v/nasat_Logo_570x450.png

      You do see the thing going into the hole though right?

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        JavaLatte
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        Time to use our ears,eyes and brain.

        Indeed.

        Love it or hate it there is some wonderful Science that has freed humanity and shown us some amazing facts.

        Brother, allow me to remind you with this (good) explanation below.

        The following excerpt is from an e-mail I exchanged with a friend, a few days ago

        That's a good answer. You have a point there. But before I reply to you regarding the paradigm issue, I would just like you to know that throughout the years, I have learned to differentiate between two kinds of science

        1. empirical science the kind that gives you information and facts that you can easily verify for yourself, using relatively simple tools.

        2. politically correct science, or occult science the kind of science which enforces upon the masses certain ideologies that have no evidence whatsoever, or that rely on false evidence, fake evidence, or evidence that is intentionally made to be so spectacularly intricate and complicated, that the layman like you and I cannot understand it, and will eventually become discouraged from looking into it. In other words, pseudo-science.

        This second kind of ?science? tricks people into believing certain things, and eventually ends up shaping their entire consciousness, in order to make them slaves to the controllers. This second type is the ideology that becomes dogma, and induces a knee-jerk reaction of mockery towards anyone who speaks against it. It is no different than blind, religious beliefs.

        Examples of the first type of science

        1. Water evaporates at 100 degrees. You can confirm this yourself, by doing the experiment with a thermometer, in your own kitchen. Check.

        2. Hot air is lighter than cold air. Try going up in a hot air balloon. Check.

        3. The air gets thinner as your altitude increases. Try climbing to the summit of Everest, and see if you will have trouble breathing. Check.

        An example of the second type of science In 1969, rocket compulsion technology allowed three American astronauts to walk on the moon.

        Also When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of God, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

        Please ponder why it mentions "mountains" - Why "mountains"?

        If this verse speaks about "the rotation of the ball-earth", it should not only mountains, but everything on the globe's surface move together, including the sea, lakes, rivers, trees, people, buildings, etc.

        My purpose in this thread is not for debate, but to support God and His messages. And I hope there are more people who can be aware that this issue is actually not trivial.

        I think Pazuzu brought this flat-earth issue as means to wake people up from the deception. The big issue is about the deception itself. The deception directed to us, and they work organized to deceive us, until the deception is so big and widely spread. They wants to control us, they wants to determine things for us, in other words, they wants to take over God's position.

        Brother, if you wake up, perhaps you would recognize the other deceptions, which perhaps could make you astonish on how deceptive, how evil our enemies are. Evils are really serious in their pursuance - taking us into Hell, the Qur'an speaks the truth.

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          Salaam Ulf,

          So flat vs sphere has become a matter of identity. Too much emotions... like in politics, religion, nationalism and sports. Science-Objectivity has left the building, and Indentity-Emotion has taken over.

          It would be nice if both the Flat side as well as the Sphere side of the debate would compile a list of say 10 questions that the opposing camp would answer. Like "How do you explain xyz". It'd be nice for a comparison. Then everyone can judge for themselves on a limited number of issues.

          Peace

          I like this suggestion.

          Peace.

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            JavaLatte
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            Even though ye know you've been conditioned (since childhood), and ye know ye are getting your strings pulled (by your furtive masters, & their minions) still, YOU'VE GOT NO BALLS TO FACE IT!

            Blue Excellent point.

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              Hizbullah
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              You don't get it do ya!

              My one and only question was
              Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?

              In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
              To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions! So unless you have a valid answer (from G-D's Messenger), don't try to be the class clown.

              ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Unfortunately, those who claimed to be Quran Alone....but when Quranic verses are shown....nope

              Peace

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                JavaLatte
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                To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions!

                Unfortunately, those who claimed to be Quran Alone....but when Quranic verses are shown....nope

                Agreed and agreed.

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                  JavaLatte
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                  Q02115 - And to ALLAH belongs the East and the West. So wherever you turn, so there Eminence of ALLAH. Indeed, ALLAH is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

                  So there are only EAST & WEST. Nowhere in the Quran mention North and South?

                  It seems so.

                  Q1519

                  • And the earth We have lengthen; set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

                  = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade.

                  The Earth is actually elongate / lengthen, meaning it is furthest from East to West.

                  Q2053

                  • The ONE who has, made for you the earth like a level; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

                  = mahdan = (Noun) cradle or bed, (verb) flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off.

                  Q4310

                  • The ONE who has made for you the earth plane, and has made for you roads therein, in order that ye may find guidance;

                  = mahdan = (Noun) cradle.or bed, (verb) flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off

                  Q5007

                  • And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth.

                  = madad = protract , reach , elongate , extend , draw out , lengthen, stretch out , spread out , sprawl , dilate , reach , range , unwind , outstretch , pervade , lengthen

                  Q5148

                  • And We have spread out the earth How excellently We do flatten!

                  = farasha = provide with furniture , flatten , outspread , pervade , circulate , cement , grade , unwind , stretch , expand , flat , range , reach , ram , spread out , lengthen , sprawl , unfold , level off , roll out , level

                  from = flatten , smoothen , smooth , level , cement , grade , ram , plane , roll , flat , level off

                  Q7119

                  • And ALLAH has made the earth for you as a carpet,

                  = bisaatan = drugget , carpet , rug from the verb = outspread , flatten , flat , even , ram , grade , level off , outstretch , pave , level , smoothen , roll , cement

                  Qur'an 786

                  Have We not made the earth as a flat land,

                  = flat land , flat , plain , ramming

                  I need to quote this. Thanks, brother.

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Turn the question around. Where in Quran does it say the Earth is flat?

                    And do not use the "flattened" the Earth because it does not confirm that it is flat but to flatten a surface means to smooth the area when it had obstacles.

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      You were twisting the sectarian version of 786

                      Surah An-Naba, Verse 6

                      Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
                      (English - Yusuf Ali)

                      via iQuran

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                        Hizbullah
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                        Turn the question around. Where in Quran does it say the Earth is flat?

                        The answer to your question are already there

                        You don't get it do ya!

                        My one and only question was
                        Where in the Qurn does it say G-D made the earth a "sphere"!?

                        In other words, I don't give a hoot what the Maj. thinks the case to be !
                        To me, G-D's Judgment stands fr above our fallible opinions! So unless you have a valid answer (from G-D's Messenger), don't try to be the class clown.

                        Now answer bro hicham9 question

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                          Hizbullah
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                          You were twisting the sectarian version of 786

                          Surah An-Naba, Verse 6

                          Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
                          (English - Yusuf Ali)

                          via iQuran

                          Yusuf was wrong

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                            Man_of_Faith
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                            Well I have not seen any other translator who does not translate it as expanse.

                            If you flatten something you make it less rough and smoother.

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                              JavaLatte
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                              2781

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                                theAlchemist
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                                Round Earth confirmed D

                                http//i.imgur.com/mDUMs2R.jpg

                                This one for clear view

                                http//i.imgur.com/wwPwKsD.jpg

                                And this is the future

                                http//i.imgur.com/3cB4Ti1.jpg

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                                  seekingtruth1111
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                                  dear seekingtruth1111

                                  I will clarify this issue once and for all.

                                  Besides the plane dissapearing from GPS, the "strange" thing that happens on the direct flight from Auckland to Santiago, even if it does not stop to refuel, is that about two thirds of the way through the trip, the airplane will be flying parallel to a land mass which, according to your perspective of what the Earth looks like, should not even exist.

                                  Look at the map of the spherical Earth and tell me if you see any land mass whatsoever between New Zealand and Chile. If this is what the Earth looks like, the trip should be an open ocean flight.

                                  Do me a small favor. The next time you book such a flight, look out your window (or the window on the opposite isle) after you have been flying for about 7-8 hours. I guarantee you that you will see a distant coastline that should not be there. This is the coastline of Central America. If you are flying during the day (which I suspect might not be the case), and the weather is clear, you will see the coastline. If the fight is during the night, you will see the lights even from the airplane. Snap a photo of it (unless you are also going to disbelieve what you are seing through the window).

                                  If you don't see the coastline, I will personally refund the price of your ticket.

                                  Peace Pazuzu

                                  Will keep that in mind to check for the coast line when I fly next time ).

                                  But how are you so certain that it will pass the central america? If the flight need to follow the flat earth map as you shown it will need to fly pass north and central america as you are claiming. But the flight times dose not add up. Usually Sydney to LA flight takes around 12 to 13 hours. Whereas Sydney to Santiago flight takes 12 hours in Boeing 747-400 .

                                  Btw I have checked the flight tracker today . Both Sydney-Santiago and Auckland-Santiago are tracked and flight path is shown.

                                  https//flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20150615/0125Z/YSSY/SCEL
                                  https//flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN800/history/20150615/0415Z/NZAA/SCEL

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                                    Shogunsami
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                                    Did somebody hack into pazuzus account?

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                                      huruf
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                                      A flight from Madrid to Buenos Aires takes approximately 13 hours. 12 hours from Australia to Chile seems about right.

                                      Also, there are flights from Santiago de Chile to Pascua Island which take 5 hours. How long should it take such a flight according to the map of the flat earth shown in the thread?

                                      Salaam

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                                        virtueorvice
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                                        Salam everybody,

                                        There's a verse in the Qur'an that's been bothering me!

                                        725

                                        Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
                                        725 there shall you live" - He added - "and there shall you die, and thence shall you be brought forth !

                                        Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
                                        725 He said, "On it you will live, on it you will die, and from it you will be brought out.",

                                        Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
                                        725 He said, "You shall live on earth and die there and be resurrected from there.?

                                        Please read the context; but the verse is clearly implying that humans shall live on earth and die on earth!

                                        The first time I read this verse I remember that I was bothered asking, "What if some astronaut dies on Moon or on Mars?!"

                                        I think this verse is speaking that we humans are earth-bound!

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                                          hicham9
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                                          Turn the question around. Where in Quran does it say the Earth is flat?

                                          Reversing the question ain't no answer, sir!

                                          You're simply dodging, because - as far as Qurnic evidence is concerned - you've got naught to prove!

                                          Further, a definite Surah was provided (here)!

                                          The Earth was flattened (8820).

                                          How more obvious does it get!?

                                          ~ Can you not see!?

                                          And do not use the "flattened" the Earth
                                          because it does not confirm that it is flat but to flatten a surface means to smooth the area when it had obstacles.

                                          Negative!

                                          You're digressing , and speculating (as usual)!

                                          s/? denoting flattening is a fact.
                                          If you don't believe - the insignificant - me, ask ANY Arabist!
                                          Or even better, ask ANY learned Arabic speaker what does adj. mean.

                                          In Syriac, adj. ? (&#1808 means flat ? also, cf. ? (&#1808 , as well as ? ? (&#1836 .

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