The great secret of Islam - the hidden history of Islam revealed
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The complicated Koran starts clearing up. Understanding the text manipulation mechanisms by Muslim discourse actually helps decipher the convoluted meaning that tradition tries to give it. Its "judeonazarene" reading is significantly simpler and thus sees a different story emerging the indoctrination of Arabs by judeonazarenes, the explanation of the judeonazarene religion to Arab neophytes, regimentation in the messianic project, exhortations for the conquest of Jerusalem, the hazards of battle, the taking things in hand again in times of discouragement ... For those who can read the Koran, it still reflects, in part, the true story of its origins. The great secret of Islam is encapsulated in the Koran.
We should however put into perspective the scope of reach of the Koran in Islam while it is said to represent the backbone of the Muslim faith, its revelation (revelation that is actually divided between Quran and the person of Muhammad, by the example of his conduct reported by the hadiths and Sira), it should be understood that it is merely a contributory element of this faith Muslims do not read it but through the canvas of traditions (hadiths, Sira and allowed comments). Most of Muslims in history have even never read it, being only more or less educated about the general discourse. Moreover, the first "Islamic" conquerors did not know it. Recall that the Moors who landed in Spain in the 8th century seemed to ignore the Koran (see note 8. Mass diffusion of the Koran is a very recent phenomenon.
But even today, as technology and literacy have helped to make it accessible to all, very many Muslims do not really know the Koran and do not even dare to read it as they are afraid of the sacred halo. In fact, Islam is primarily a discourse. The Qur'an, like other sources of Muslim faith, as the Hadith, the Sira, Muslim history and even the person of the Prophet Muhammad only serve to justify something much larger than themselves. It bases this awareness that Muslims have been chosen by God to establish his law on the world. According to this messianic belief, the future of the world will be Islamic, Islam would be its salvation, this salvation before they will settle forever with the return of "Messiah Jesus" at the end of time (and the Mahdi that will unify the umma). So God would give the world freed from evil to his chosen to live in eternal bliss.
Such is the conclusion of history envisioned by Muslim commentators, beyond the impressive diversity of their respective scenarios. After these pages, however, we can offer a much different conclusion
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CONCLUSION
The pieces of the historical puzzle fit together. The meticulous process of Edouard-Marie Gallez, spanning his work as a historian of ideas and religions, sheds light on the "great secret of Islam" update to the judeonazarene project, the political-religious context of its emergence, its deployment in history and its transmission to the Arabs, the (re) discovery of archaeological evidence and contemporary texts of early Islam hidden for so long, scientific analysis of the Muslim sources, especially the Koranic text itself, understanding of the intrinsic forces driving the Muslim messianic project, analysis of the history of rewriting mechanisms ... The emergence of Islam as it is today finally says so quite consistently, which exposes the nature of this religion in all its truth.
Certainly some pieces to the puzzle are still missing. The researchers complete more and more of it since the publication of the works of Edouard-Marie Gallez . Lets confide in them they will continue to pursue for instance archaeological investigations on places of judeonazarene origins, they specify the exact part being manipulated by which Caliph in which time, they will understand more what surrounded the site of Mecca, they will realize a full exegetical reading of the Koran and hadith (a very large working area) and they will inform us on many other subjects. Yet even without this, the body of evidence and clues is quite dense and converge to shed light with sufficient certainty on the great secret of Islam, on its historical deception and the truth about its actual origins the Koranic text and the Islamic biography of Muhammad are progressive fabrications during centuries following the first conquests of the Arabs of Syria; the first 50 years of the reign of Omar played a key role in the first and the first 50 years after Abd al-Malik in the latter. There has never been a divine revelation given to Muhammad Islam is the fruit of a very long and complex process of rewriting of history, rooted in a Judaeo-Christian deviant faith, maddened by the expectations of Messianists.
This gradual process gave birth to a new religion that has always pursued the goals of its judeonazarene Messianist founders. It imposed on civil society a political system of domination exploiting the religious to install a totalitarian authority. In fact, Islam is transmitted and continues to be transmitted through the iron fist of the rulers and Muslim regimes, by fear of the sacred, fear of hell and the social body of control by the group on the individual. It demanded and still demands the renunciation of any questioning and criticism. Submission is at this point the condition of its perpetuation which it even deploys as a standard. But this total submission, crushing men, nations and cultures, was never fully accomplished under penalty of absolutely destroying civil society upon which Islam itself depends for its perpetuation. The true Islam remains and will always remain to be established tomorrow. The chronic inability of Islam to honor its Messianist promises does not prevent its expansion the dream of "tomorrows" has always appealed. Billions of people believed stronlgy in the dogmas of class struggle and proletarian dictatorship (one third of the world population was in the "communist camp" in the early 1980s), despite the so heavy tribute they paid for it themselves .
The promises that are advanced in todays market society, its technical progress, and its triumphant reasoning and its command to enjoy are of exactly the same order. These ideologies and their logics of surreality continue to torment humanity since it started to believe in the possibility of its salvation. The project to make the world conform to a supposed divine plan, the idea of a draft of an "Ideal society" and especially the dream of an Islamisation of the world are the root of the most absolute intolerance, which can not accept the other as such, that is to say mutually respect. The other is then always at fault, the other is a bad believer or an external enemy. The other is the evil at best, the other is "tolerated", waiting to get rid of later. Some have seen so much folly of wanting to eradicate the evil from the earth. As Solzhenitsyn noted, "the dividing line between good and evil or between states or classes or parties, is but through the heart of every person and of all humanity" . Who could tear out some part of his own heart? Any attempt to eradicate evil, the advent of a new man and a perfect society is inherently doomed to failure in reeducation camps, if not in extermination camps. The world does not separate between clean and unclean, and between enlightened elected to guide obscurantist masses. This truth was laid out long before Solzhenitsyn, for Jesus himself propagated this new idea of salvation. A salvation to look elsewhere and otherwise, "seek and you shall find" .
Of course, many Muslims dream of an ideal Islam, an Islam of peace and harmony among all people, all cultures, all religions - and many non-Muslims dream of it as well! For the great majority of Muslims consists of honest people who do not apply to the letter the commands of Islamic violence and political domination, who do not share the vision of an Islamic terrible and warlike God (s61,4 "God loves those who are killed on his path" ). Many do not even know, and this is also for the better.
Everyday Muslims find in Islam a hope, transcendence and traditional values of common sense respect for the family, individual morality, rules of conduct in society ... They also pride in belonging to "the best of peoples, evolved for mankind" (s3,110) , practicing the best of religions and the unwavering hope that God will eventually make them prevail. This doubled messianic hope of submissive behavior to the divine will is the cause of a certain fatalism ("mektoub!", to consent to the political domination observed throughout Muslim history, which might suggest this possibility of an Islam of peace and concord. And if the mystics even manage to isolate from their practice of Islam some wisdom, we must also see it as a result of simple human experience and the influence of non-muslim values (including Christian). In any case, it does not befall to the daily Muslim nor to the mystics to define what Islam is. Islam exists as such by its doctrine and its messianic discourse, by its trace in history and especially its founding texts. The full implementation of Islam which those who practice "moderation" dont dare to apply, allows no ambiguity about it, as shown by the outbreaks of violence that regularly electrify the Muslim world precisely because of that full implementation. Only the questioning of the messianic project of Islam, what constitutes its fundamental identity by Muslims themselves (and therefore the questioning of discourse and the Koranic text) can make Islam compatible with civil society. Without this, it can only be in perpetual war against it, that is to say perpetually at war with humanity.
Furthermore, let us realize that literacy and increasingly easy access to Islamic texts allowed for about a century an increasing and unprecedented spread in the history of the fundamentals of Islam at the heart of the Muslim peoples. They didnt know much more about it but the discourses and oral traditions before. And at the same time disappeared with the Ottoman Caliphate this fist that had disciplined the umma, or, which at leas allowed the possibility of a balance between religious and political - a balance trying (or having tried) to maintain the different natures of rather
authoritarian regimes as it was observed in Muslim countries over the past century.Western modernity at the origin of these phenomena, and the Muslim reaction against it, thus have as an indirect effect some kind of overactivation of the internal mechanism of Islam (see diagram on page 57). We observe therefore the appearance and development of new trends Muslim Brotherhood, Salafism, Takfirism, attempts to restore the Caliphate and other "Islamisms". They all proceed from an uncontrolled re-Islamization because of the will of a full implementation of the religion and a return to its roots. But they also contribute to the rise of skepticism among Muslims facing these inconsistencies, these obscurities and these injunctions of little humanistic nature as we have detailed. Criticism is free on the internet and now available almost everywhere. It is still nearly free in Western countries, struggling to be contained by social pressure, political correctness, accusations of "Islamophobia" and by interdictions by national and international Muslim Authorities (OIC - Organization of Islamic Cooperation - is at the forefront of this front). This is a new phenomenon, in front of which most Muslims grandparents no longer recognize "their Islam" and feel completely overwhelmed. Fracture lines appear in the next generation between absolutists, skeptical and relativistic. And we would like to see Islam engage in a dialectic between liberals and radicals, and proceed to the use of critical thinking, the desecration of its texts, in its internal reform, its aggiornamento. Unfortunately, this is impossible in the context of Islam.
That is why the time is up for Islam. Failing to achieve its own critical examination, it lets others do it. Historical research continues. They progress. The Koranic text is about to be reconstituted with its Syro-Aramaic language foundations. The reality of its origins began to be disclosed by more and more work, more and more critical and more lucid. Islam can no longer prevent spreading of light on its origins everywhere, its imposture and what it is in truth. Even though it is very difficult for every conditioned Muslim to us his own reasoning about religion, reality will be increasingly presented in front of their eyes behind the veil of Islamic surreality. It will advance with the full force of non-violence preached by Gandhi. Moreover, we can already predict how it will be received by Muslims by taking one of his famous statements first it will be ignored and it will be mocked, then it will be fought, and finally, it will prevail. The term of non-violence is also a small translation of the original expression of Gandhi (Sanskrit "satyagraha", much better rendered by 'force of truth. " Jesus, the man of salvation, had said "The truth will set you free ". It will overcome all submissions, nreal all the chains and shackles, and thus Islam, which Ernest Renan called the "most heavy chain that humanity has never worn."
Remains to be questioned now is the Western society and a world that is becoming more Westernized on what they have to offer to Muslims caught in the wobbling of the Islamic edifice. For most of them (and also for many non-Muslims), their sincere desire for a more just world, respect for a certain common sense and the sense of God can not flourish in a society ruled by money, commodification without limitation, the lack of differentiation and individual desire considered as the only reason of being. All this will add more attractiveness to the Islamic system and its Messianists promises, perceived as the only remedies against this mad West. At the risk of having to confront that the coming collapse of Islam will only make it more violent.
We could cite the work of Robert Kerr, Mehdi AZAIEZ, William Dye, Patricia Crone (referenced in annex). Particular attention should be made to the work of Jean-Jacques Walter he defended a thesis on the computerized, systematic study of the Koranic text late 2013 in Toulouse. Published in July 2014 (The Qur'an revealed by coding theory), it is expected to make a big splash. It corroborates the historical research of Edward-Marie Gallez bringing unpublished evidence by its method of computing and mathematical analysis of the Koran, used here for the first time.
This is despite the implementation of manipulations of the same type we see in Islam. Let us remember how Stalin retracted Trotsky's role and ideas in order to create an official discourse of the glorious building of the Soviet Union, which goes in the direction of his interests of new tsar. It stemmed from a logic of post hoc rationale very similar to that which led to the caliphs retracting of the judeonazarenes.
Taken from The Gulag Archipelago.
Matthew 13 24-30.
Matthew 7.7
Full text of the surah "God loves those who are going to kill for his cuase in ranks, as if they were a solid structure." (Quran 61 4). Translations soften the original meaning of the Arabic word often translated by "fight" while its Arabic conjugation indicates the direction to "fight to the death, to the end".
Muslims want to identify the "best community" with the Muslim ummah, far from the original meaning of the word as "Arab-judeonazarene community" which given was given to it by the inspirers of Islam.
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ANNEXES
Some easily accessible references for further study of the origins of Islam
Edouard-Marie Gallez, doctor of theology and religious history, original author of the theory of judeonazarenes as the source of Islam and of the overall vision developed in The Great Secret of Islam
• His thesis The Messiah and his prophet - 2 volumes - Editions de Paris, 2005-2010
• The Site where E-M. Gallez updates his thesis http//www.lemessieetsonprophete.com In particular, the analysis of the root "kfr / kuffar / infidel" in the Koran and the Muslim discourse.
Robert M. Kerr - assistant professor at Wilfrid Laurier University (Canada)
• "The language of the Koran" how the Koran was written in Syria (English article).
Patricia Crone - Professor at the Institute for Advanced Study (Princeton, USA), former lecturer at Oxford and Cambridge (United Kingdom)
• Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam - Princeton University Press, 1987.
• How did the quranic pagans make a living ?
Manfred Kropp - professor at the University of Mainz (Germany)
"A philologist reads the Quran," lecture series given at the College of France in October 2005• Pre-Islamic Arabia http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQJY1OdHtJc
• The quranic fact http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G1dHK7fbqk
• Written and oral tradition http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiKd_IsX0Yw
• Koranic studies in the West http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-o5lW3mjo
William Dye - professor at the Free University of Brussels (Belgium) -
• Free conversation with William Dye on his research with Abdelwahab Meheb, on his show Cultures of Islam on France Culture (03/14/2014).
• Participation in the collective work Judaism among "theology of substitution" and "theology of falsification" proceedings of the conference held at the Institute of Jewish Studies (ULB) 23, 24 and 25 September 2008.
Tom Holland - historian and English writer - Documentary "Islam the untold story" (English), released in August 2012 on the BBC, based in part on the work of Patricia Crone (documentary from which is extracted the photo of the first piece currency to mention Mohammed, shown on page 53).
One can also view and download freely from the site http//legrandsecretdelislam.com a synthesis in two parts of the Great Secret of Islam a summary in 8 pages, and a presentation of the main sources and selected bibliography at the basis of the Great Secret of Islam, in 10 pages.
http//rootsofislamtruehistory.com/subpages/Genealogy-Islam.PNG
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This completes the translation of the work. It undoubtedly contains still many errors from my parts and I'm sure the eventual pdf translation will be much improved upon. Feel free to debate the issues rising from this translation or post your questions. When the complete pdf version is published online, we will notify in this thread.
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CONCLUSION
Islam is the fruit of a very long and complex process of rewriting of history, rooted in a Judaeo-Christian deviant faith, maddened by the expectations of Messianists.The equation will be
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismThe evolution of Islam hasn't stopped, (depending on your perspective) now it has also evolved into
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Arab Nationalism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismThis gradual process gave birth to a new religion that has always pursued the goals of its judeonazarene Messianist founders. It imposed on civil society a political system of domination exploiting the religious to install a totalitarian authority.
In fact, Islam is transmitted and continues to be transmitted through the iron fist of the rulers and Muslim regimes, by fear of the sacred, fear of hell and the social body of control by the group on the individual. It demanded and still demands the renunciation of any questioning and criticism. Submission is at this point the condition of its perpetuation which it even deploys as a standard. But this total submission, crushing men, nations and cultures, was never fully accomplished under penalty of absolutely destroying civil society upon which Islam itself depends for its perpetuation.That IS the objective of any religion and why a dogma is essential for religion.
The true Islam remains and will always remain to be established tomorrow. The chronic inability of Islam to honor its Messianist promises does not prevent its expansion the dream of "tomorrows" has always appealed. Billions of people believed stronlgy in the dogmas of class struggle and proletarian dictatorship (one third of the world population was in the "communist camp" in the early 1980s), despite the so heavy tribute they paid for it themselves .
Communism and Atheism IS a religion.
Of course, many Muslims dream of an ideal Islam, an Islam of peace and harmony among all people, all cultures, all religions - and many non-Muslims dream of it as well!
The Islam of Peace do not exist.
As well as Christianity of Peace , Judaism of Peace, Atheism of Peace.For the great majority of Muslims consists of honest people who do not apply to the letter the commands of Islamic violence and political domination, who do not share the vision of an Islamic terrible and warlike God (s61,4 "God loves those who are killed on his path" ). Many do not even know, and this is also for the better.
Of course Muslim (as social identity) or any other social identity is a mixture of both good and bad people.
And if the mystics even manage to isolate from their practice of Islam some wisdom, we must also see it as a result of simple human experience and the influence of non-muslim values (including Christian).
Christian????
Without this, it can only be in perpetual war against it, that is to say perpetually at war with humanity.
All dogmatic religion is at perpetual war with humanity.. including but not limited to Christianity..
Western modernity at the origin of these phenomena, and the Muslim reaction against it, thus have as an indirect effect some kind of overactivation of the internal mechanism of Islam (see diagram on page 57). We observe therefore the appearance and development of new trends Muslim Brotherhood, Salafism, Takfirism, attempts to restore the Caliphate and other "Islamisms". They all proceed from an uncontrolled re-Islamization because of the will of a full implementation of the religion and a return to its roots.
"Western modernity" is not the origin of "the phenomena".
In any places where "critical thinking" appears, it will always be challenged and disposed by the conservative + traditionalist.We can trace it back to Abbasid Empire (Razi for example), Ancient China, Greece (e.g. Socrates), Ancient Mesopotamia (e.g. Abraham). And the conflict is still going on until today around the globe.
That is why the time is up for Islam. Failing to achieve its own critical examination, it lets others do it.
Time is up for ALL religion.
Islam is on it's downward trend towards extinction and so does Christianity, Judaism, Atheism, Communism and other dogmatic religion."If there is any religion that could correspond to the needs of modern science, it would be Buddhism"
-- A. EinsteinAnd here's why
"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words.
Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or scriptures.
Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances.
Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others.
This way will lead to only delusion.
Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real.
Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things.
Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good."
-- S. GauthamaYet once somebody created a religion named "Buddhism" and instill a dogmatic idea to be enforced upon it's people, then the religion named "Buddhism" will also follow the same path as any other religion.
You can replace the word "Buddhism" above with any other names (Quranist, True Islam, Reform Judaism, Reformist, Reform Christian whatever..)
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Quite interesting comments from both of you.
The more I resort to my own thinking (logical/critical) of the religion, the more distrust is developed , but this is because my thinking of the religion is over shadowed by its practical implementation (people, wars, conquest, dictatorship, kings, making use of religious tactics etc etc).It is very difficult to separate the conventional religion from the message, because the society you live , is embedded with it. Unless you escape from the traditional religious society and live a life of your own rules....not easy when you are married and kids and relations around you and the funny part is you see your children being brain washed by same rituals and yet you cant do much about it.
Couple of days ago I read news about tempering with the DNA(designer babies) to change characteristics of a person (appearance) etc.
http//www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=52172#.VhkM1PlVikoI think few centuries from now, people will be living with such flood of information that like what folks discuss here being quranists and all that where freedom is there to talk about different meanings of angels, messengers books.... will reach to commoners and there might be different definitions of these verses/objects just so to accommodate or adapt the religion into the new discoveries to make them appear compatible.
Today while making tea I accidently burned by hand and it hurt so much at that time that I realize or remember the verses of Quran for punishment of change of skin. Whether that is again a metaphor or not is another discussion. The point is that despite all of the new concepts and stuff, we are still slaves of the mortal nature of our bodies. The death is the real truth and as long as these things are there, people will continue to fall for or believe in traditional interpretations of the religion.
One of the colleague was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer (18 months ago) was a modern free thought person. he died within a year but he resorted to being very religious and all that towards the end. What does it mean that we humans when confronted with terminal illness will become closer to God and will perhaps adopt traditional practices of the religion thinking to be saved in the next life.
Having said all above, I am further lost and confused and not sure what is the truth or lies...
My question is what is the definition of Faith in actual sense?Cheers
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The equation will be
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismA lot of this is hardly groundbreaking and original research though now is it? I'm not disputing you, I just want everyone here to know that this is basically putting forward the already established idea that all religions are syncretic by nature.
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A lot of this is hardly groundbreaking and original research though now is it? I'm not disputing you, I just want everyone here to know that this is basically putting forward the already established idea that all religions are syncretic by nature.
Of course it is..
However MOST people still think that their RELIGION IS COMING STRAIGHT FROM GOD.
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This is a great read but lenghty. It ought to be an e-book. @runninglikezebras, wouldn't it be great if you can gather an e-book on your findings which you may publish on e-book stores like Amazon Kindle? You can share this with more Muslims that way.
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It will be available as an e-book on Olaf's website and on amazon I assume. The english version is currently being worked on. A french version is already available and has drawn a massive amount of attention.
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The death is the real truth and as long as these things are there, people will continue to fall for or believe in traditional interpretations of the religion.
Yes death will be the real truth.
We're all born without religion and shall die without it.
Religion, social identity, nationality, name, gender, ethnicity is nothing but a "dressing" attached to your "ego" in this world.Having said all above, I am further lost and confused and not sure what is the truth or lies...
My question is what is the definition of Faith in actual sense?islam is an attitude and not a religion.
The hindrance of doing islam (also denoted as becoming muslim) is your own ego.
We can say that being a muslim is generally an attitude of "Peaceful Acceptance" of anything that is going around you, as anything that is going on around you is all the will of God, whether you like it or not.Feel free to change the name of muslim or islam attitude to anything that you want.
And such attitude is recommended by many people worldwide throughout times, it appears in the Gospel, Tanakh, Tao The Ching, Confucious writings, Ghita, Sidharta's writings even today's self help books.
The true test of becoming a muslim will be on the time of death.
The moment of death is the the time where your "ego" will be destroyed.
No more religion, no more nationality, no more gender, no more ethnicity, no more "name".That's the true meaning of the verse
"And Abraham instructed his sons and Jacob, , "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this DEEN, so do not die except as muslims"
(2132)Buddha was asked, ?What have you gained from meditation??
He replied; nothing.
However, let me tell you what I lost
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Islam is a word to define the condition of being sound and Mu - slm is a person who is sound characteristically as an attribute. In our Spiritual realm it is considered when your Spirit is in good shape rather than shattered and broken, i.e. you are one with "God" or "a mirror of God", when you are a complete Muslim. The Muslim struggles towards personal perfection in terms of character (not perfect according to hedonistic hypocrites) and has nil to do with worship practices a'la religion.
Be safe
Amenuel -
A good point Man of Faith, and one that is regularly forgotten -\
I can add that empathy is one parameter often forgotten and that people believe that those "in the path of God" should be robot-like and very stern and that it oftentimes feel like they are without a heart.
Empathy is actually mentioned on the fifth line of the Decree while Jesua choose to present it as the most important decree except the first one. I agree with him, most people actually falter on the fifth parameter, which often is interpreted as "treat your neighbor as yourself" but in practice refers to the "stumbling block" of the human instinctive nature to disregard empathy as they pursue the Beastly drive. The Decree was actually presented thousands of years ago to Musa as man's stumbling blocks and what to do to prevent yourself from falling upon them. The clergy made them into tyrannical laws while it is each individual's choice to "be dead or alive", while the lifeless person continues to stumble on the stones continually.
I know the traditional Muslims (including people here) hate me for this, but the Decree does first of all not have to do with obedience (to God) but about saving you from yourself, or rather from your Beastly Body that you are trapped within while under delusion. God does not require any Pagan worship since God is "who is as such" from the Mosaic expression "I am who am I", a kind of symbiotic/assimilating phenomenon. Those who are not, they wander in (such be) darkness (al-zalam م which does refer to not having any cognitive ability of who they really are but "live as according to the Flesh" while they may delusively think they are aware.
Knowing that, the Decree is a set of guidelines on how to best finish this testing ground and come out victorious by forsaking the strong drive to indulge in what lures forth the primitive nature of their Bodies. There is good wisdom in the Messianic expression "separate the Spirit from the Body", i.e. stop being an animal, or ape/primate as a crude term that God uses at least once in Quran. We should show ourselves that we are better than that, not accept ourselves to be imperfect, because God created our Spirit in his image while the Body was a contradiction in our test environment to put us to the test under delusion from our true selves.
Those who worship God and truly distance themselves without associating themselves with God they have completely turned the wrong way in delusion and actually do exactly as the Body likes them to do. This is the blunt truth. Love was even twisted when Jesua said it as the word "be/show attached to/cling unto" (abd) is translated as love in his expression "love your neighbor as yourself" while it means "care for your neighbor as yourself" and "love your Lord with all your heart and all your soul" means to be attached to. The same word (abada) is further twisted in Islam to serve and even worship while it means "be close/attached to" literally (this claim can be verified using an ancient lexicon to see I am not mumbling). Nearly 100% literally the word abada means "gain attachment to" if we paraphrase it a little, by which you can probably figure out its implication on the language. Everything goes to the Oneness in existence that we should have with everything that exists, and even if people are "lifeless" God still provides for those and we should do the same as "are as such" (allahem), both animals and advanced primates, and plants. The question is what you choose to be; the Body or your (divine) Spirit in unity with God.
Lifeless implies that these people have a diminished or even nonexistent (individual) Spirit (animals/plants/spatial environment plus totally broken human Spirits). You can connect that to when Jesua sarcastically said "Let the dead bury their dead" which was also meant as a subtle parable at the same time. You can be dead even if you think you are alive. A dead person follows the pattern of their species' instinctive drive (satan) and the prophets seem to have loved using sheep as parables, probably because it is easy for people to relate to. The shepherds (the leader sheep) are the clergymen or people in charge, or versions of shepherds that did not really exist but the clergy invented their sayings.
Be safe
Amenuel -
The English translation of this book is currently in progress and I'm told (by Olaf) it is expected to be released in February 2016.
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The English translation of this book is currently in progress and I'm told (by Olaf) it is expected to be released in February 2016.
I am enjoying this a lot, dear Olaf and runninglikezebras. I think you made a great job and you are trying to find the truth and it never made me feel uncomfortable about the Quran or whatever. I hope I find time to read it all shortly.
Anyway, except the history points and focusing on the Quran, your all theory only reaffirms Quran, I mean, as Allah said on it the Quran is not nothing new, it was given to Jews and Christians before so the parallels are expected. You are refuting or studying sunna, not Islam as the other bothers explain very clearly that islam is an attitude, not a "religion" (not even a minimum clergy is established in the Quran). What happened later with politics and fightings is something out of real Islam. Muhammad? we don't know and we will never know who he was.Also I suppose you write later about it but I miss one central point why is then the Quran the way it is untill today? I mean, it could be clearer for expansionist porpuses and could have include hadith literature INSIDE it, and not alone as it has been preserved.
On the other hand, I think you are forgetting the sana?a manuscript dated from before 670 and containing verses identical with the ones we have now. This was a big fault in Cook?s work, for example. So, I will keep reading because I believe we will always remain in ignorance about the history of those days, mixed with myths, political issues and propaganda (it works today in the intenet era, imagine back then!!) and works like yours are just what we need to open our minds and make us think. Btw this is a very good article for a Philosophy work trying to refute the idea of God and of course Revelation, applied to Islam. http//www.qcc.cuny.edu/SocialSciences/ppecorino/INTRO_TEXT/Chapter%203%20Religion/Koran-Origins.htm (of course you have made a huge research, what i am telling you about one single article you might now... sorry, did not want to offend)
I loved it, and again it made me even believe more.Thanks for your contribution, I hope you don't mind if I annoy you at some point with questions )
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Did anyone accept Islam at the time of Muhammad?
I haven't heard a story of prophet Muhammad like prophet Jonas where he was a coin-flipping fugitive.
The Quran says no community believed except prophet Jonas'Are these histories true worthy? What events of world news were in them? Wars and famines all promises we will be tried with "something" of these.
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The main issue here is to consider what "islam" could have been at the time of Muhammad.
We have have no evidence to assertain that islam as we know it today existed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, we have evidence to prove that "islam" evolved a lot between Muhammad and the 9th century. The first material evidence of complete qurans, hadiths books and sira date from the 9th century. What happened before ? -
The main issue here is to consider what "islam" could have been at the time of Muhammad.
We have have no evidence to assertain that islam as we know it today existed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, we have evidence to prove that "islam" evolved a lot between Muhammad and the 9th century. The first material evidence of complete qurans, hadiths books and sira date from the 9th century. What happened before ?the word islam was an adjective and not the brand name of a religion or sect or a social identity..
This is a recurring pattern, after a famous person died.. somebody created a religion out of him..
They created a religion based on Muhammad's life story and named it Islam.
They created a religion based on Jesus's life story and named it Catholicismus (Universal)
The same old thing...Islam has evolved a lot even after 9th century... the crescent and moon symbol is among the thing that was added after the 9th century. And the evolution of Islam (The brand name of religion / social identity) continues up until today..
Mandatory hatred towards the Jews and the West, rejection towards the idea of evolution; is another addition to Islam within 20th century.. -
Peace Jafar.
Who is going to believe "history" without checking everything-Yes everything- with tooth and comb.
For example How is history going to write what goes on today around the world? For example
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=noln8nx43Sk
Is this true or false?
Make up your own mind!!! Is what you know really what happened?
Humans can be wicked!!! They will do anything( Yes kill innocent people by the millions) and write it as "good" history!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
