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    The great secret of Islam
    The hidden history of Islam revealed by historical research

    The Great Secret of Islam is freely available in French (read and download) from the site http//legrandsecretdelislam.com The reader will also find a synthesis in two parts as free download (synthesis in 8 pages, main sources and bibliography 10 pages).

    The Great Secret of Islam
    Written by Olaf, is available under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License

    Strange thing this uncomfortable feeling towards Islam that is gradually rising among non-Muslims. With the press repeating this message (and even more so on the Internet), with almost three quarters of the French acknowledging in a recent survey , that there is something disturbing in Islam. Why such terrible fratricidal struggles between Muslims that never end? Why this doctrinal intolerance of Islam towards other religions? Why this desire to dominate everything? Why these problems of integration in the modern world, this while they are by definition incompatible? Why these attacks on freedom and human dignity? Why is there so little reaction of the vast majority of Muslims themselves in face of all this? And in particular, why so little reaction to the violence that continues to occur since this religion has become established about 1400 years ago and the great epic of Muhammad, His Prophet? But above all, why is it so difficult or even entirely forbidden to Muslims to address these issues, ask these questions and to engage in critical interpretations? So what is there to hide in Islam?

    The observer can certainly try to characterize some flaws of Islam as a religion and as a political system, which it is both. Already noted in its normative and social dimension, as the code and law, it struggles to build the ideal society that it aspires to establish in the entire world - this failure was cruelly manifested in the Islamist regimes based on the law of Allah. We can then try to explain and understand by these faults in the light of some contradictions intrinsic to the doctrine, the Muslim dogma by showing that they can believe in paradoxical injunctions of revealed truths little fit to human nature or even common sense. But beyond that, the key to understanding Islam also falls within the scientific work, historical research work on its actual origins. For it is in establishing the truth about its origins, without ideological or religious bias, that we can understand what it really is, and therefore the reason for its flaws, its failures, and also of its qualities and success. It is a very long work started, but continued in relative indifference, ignored or fought by Muslims, understandably, but also by the media, journalists, scientists, historians, teachers, legal authorities and even by some non-Muslim religious authorities . And for good reason! They believe almost without question what Islam says about itself - even about its own origins and its own history. They accept it as historical truth, they print it in textbooks, they teach it to children, and in doing so they legitimize it.

    Thus the history of Islam and its revelation are known to most. A story that is even more interesting since it already disclosed against itself, in its logic and its apparent resorts, a remainder of the historical truth about its origins and its taking shape as a religion and as a political system. This truth is not spoken upon. The true story is hidden, encrypted, secret, forbidden, taboo. Also, in an attempt to retrace the course of true history, one must, a priori, become familiar with this story which Islam tells about itself. It will allow us to see and understand later what this great secret is, which Islam is trying to conceal so well, this secret that is gradually unveiled by historical research, which we will see in the last part found in traces of Muslim texts themselves.

    Ipsos-Le Monde survey in January 2013 "74% of those asked by Ipsos believe that Islam is an "intolerant" religion incompatible with the values of French society

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      A Priori

      WHAT DOES ISLAM SAY ABOUT ITSELF ?
      or sacred history of Islam according to Muslim historiography

      MUHAMMAD

      There would have been in Arabia in the 6th century AD, in the Hejaz (the southwest of the current Saudi Arabia, its riparian part of the Red Sea) a nation of nomads, traders and warriors, the Arabs. They were the descendants of Abraham (the Abraham of the Bible) from his son Ishmael, which Abraham had in ancient times with his maid Hagar. According to Muslim history, they lived according to a system of clans and tribes, having for religion a sort of polytheism that is little known of, having ancient pagan cults, and obeyed rustic customs - for example, they mistreated their wives and it is even said that they buried their little girls alive . Furthermore, the area was plagued by anarchy, with many clan wars more or less governed by these unclear religious customs. It was time of the jahiliya, of ignorance, of obscurantism typical to pagan times.

      Its in this context that Muhammad was born in 570 in Mecca, a small caravan city of this region, within the tribe of the Qoreshites. Orphaned early, he is taken in by his grandfather, and then by his uncle, the leaders of the tribe. Around the age of 9, when he accompanied his uncle during a shipping caravan to Syria, a Christian monk Bahira, recognizes him as a future prophet. Meanwhile, Muhammad must support himself. He starts to become a caravan trader, touring Arabia and the Middle East. He married his boss Khadija, a wealthy widow. He will have four daughters with her.

      Around 610, when he had retired to meditate in a cave away, a voice is heard, and the angel Gabriel appeared . He reveals the word of Allah, that is to say some verses of the Quran, he ordered him to recite (the first verses of Sura 96). Gabriel is the messenger of Allah ("the god", that is to say, God), the one God, the creator of the world and the first man Adam. It was first revealed to Abraham and a series of prophets - Noah, Moses, Jesus, among others ... But those who heard these prophets preach the divine word, that is to say Jews and Christians had gone astray.

      http//i.imgur.com/9JbQrRs.png

      Islam claims to have freed women from unworthy conditions. More details on the following website http//www.islamfrance.com/femmeislam3.html
      s16 passages 58-59 And s81,8-9 are interpreted as such by current Quran commentators.
      Surprisingly comparable to the appearances of an "angel "Mani, the founder of Manichaeism, claimed to have encountered in the 3rd century in Mesopotamia

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        They had received from their prophets, holy books (the Torah and the Gospel ) and should have followed their commands. However, they had gone astray and falsified their scriptures. Hence the need for Allah to complete his revelation by sending a final prophet to remind the world of it and establish the true religion again. One that corrects all previous misguided revelations, Judaism and Christianity, giving the new believers just and ultimate commandments to live according to the plan of Allah. And in this plan included in particular the mission to convert the whole world for him, Allah, finally happy to see all of mankind submit and conform to His divine will, obey him in everything, from sunrise to sunset, between spouses and friends, in peace and in war, in all acts of everyday life.

        Muhammad confides the revelations to his wife. She in turn will present him to her cousin Waraqa, a priest presented as a Christian, and both will strengthen the validity of Muhammad in his revelation. Convinced of the need to proclaim - illiterate like most of his contemporaries, he could not write - he became a preacher. He preaches the one god to the polytheists of Mecca. He managed not only to be understood by them, but also to be recognized as a prophet. He gathers around him his first followers, by his speech and by divine signs of his prophecy. Notably through the miracle of the "Night Journey," the isra and miraj which transported him in one night from Mecca to Jerusalem and back, on Dosde Buraq, his winged horse. On his way, flying from Jerusalem (resting on the rock Dome of the Rock), he visited maybe hell (traditions differ on this point), then through the seven heavens to within the "range of an arrow " of Allah. The heavenly Qur'an is revealed to him, seen between the divine hands. This is the "Mother of the Scriptures," the divine pattern that authenticates the earth's revelation to Muhammad.

        Despite these signs, it attracts the wrong kind of attention of the authorities of Mecca and those in power, bothered by the prophet in their business and their polytheism. When his wife and his patrons come to die, the persecution of Muhammad and the early Muslims gets worse. Some believers would even go to cross the Red Sea to seek refuge in Christian Abyssinia. And Muhammad eventually is driven out of Mecca. Accompanied by his followers, he finds refuge in Yathrib, a prosperous city set in a desert oasis 400 km north of Mecca, populated by Jewish and Arab tribes. This concludes the Meccan period of Muhammad's life. The date of his flight is retained for the beginning of the Muslim calendar 622 the year will be the beginning of the era of AH (exile, emigration), the first year of the new Islamic calendar.

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        Islam does not mention the four Gospels but "the Gospel" singular.
        S7,158 "So believe in Allah and his messenger, the unlettered prophet who believes in Allah and His words.

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          His new host city will be later renamed Medina. So it opens the Medina period of the life of Muhammad. He made a pact with its Arab and Jewish hosts (called "Constitution of Medina&quot, and gets along well with them, as shown in their initial benevolent action to be taken. He continues to preach verse by verse by disclosing the revelation of Allah, the word which then establishes him as a political leader. During that time, the angel Gabriel indeed continues to occur regularly to him. Thus he is led to move away from the original practice of Jewish customs very similar to that put forward in his first sermons - as the observance of some fasts, rites and prayers, or the obligation to pray in the direction Jerusalem. Later, he would have changed the direction (qibla) towards Mecca. There would have been an ancient shrine, the Kaaba, whose construction is attributed to Abraham himself, they say. But Meccan polytheists would have distorted it and then perverted it with pagan idols of their religious cults.

          To meet the needs of the community and to face the hostility of Meccans and skeptics, Muhammad, the prophet became a peaceful religious teacher of Medina, now transformed into warlord despite his initial reluctance, the revelation of new suras urged him to use all violence to advocate holy war and to lead expeditions against the caravans of Mecca (raids). It eliminates its political opponents, his opponents and cartoonists. Medina however saw the golden age of Islam, Muhammad makes the rules for a just peace, releasing women from the unworthy status in which the polytheists are supposed to have confined them. He leads a humble life despite his many wives (according to the traditions with at least 13 women , not counting the slaves and spoils of war). He continues to reveal in support of his actions the new verses of the revelation. He recruits and ever more faithful, and fights the opposition, the skeptical believers, the Munafiqun. Faced with the betrayal of his Jewish hosts believing that Medina would no longer respect the initial pact, he finally expelled two of their tribes, and massacred and enslaved the third in 627 (the tribe of Banu Qurayza)

          Having thus reinforced, Muhammad can seize Mecca. He enters it in 629 during the truce of Hudaybayyiah and permanently takes the city in 630. The Kaaba is removed of pagan idols and it becomes empty cube decorated with the black stone that we still see today . Mecca definitely earns its holy city status. The conquests continued in the Hejaz, new territories are conquered, population converted to the new religion, Islam, Jews and Christians, however, maintaining a certain freedom of worship. Arabia is unified with one and the same language, the same religion and identifies gradually to the umma, the community of Muslim believers. The conquest and conversion thus continue to expand to the Middle East.

          In 632, Muhammad made his last pilgrimage to Mecca, and islamized the ancient customs observed by the polytheists and establishing it as the pillar of the new faith. He died shortly after, on June 8 632 in Medina and was buried there.

          13 women according to Ibn Hisham (9th century Muslim historian, biographer of Muhammad) until 28 according to Ibn Kathir (jurist and Muslim historian of the 14th century), Muhammad benefiting in this special permission of Allah who released him from the limit of 4 women in Islam. For all Muslims applies s4,3 "Take wives two, three, four of the women you like." Allah has specifically ruled on Muhammad's harem by the revelation of s33,50. Despite the size of his harem and legendary force Muhammad had only one son, who died in infancy (according to Muslim historians). He had only one child to survive him, his daughter Fatima, after his marriage to Khadija, married the future Caliph Ali
          Reported by Ibn Hisham.
          The Kaaba however experienced some mishaps after that, including the flood of 1620 which took away part of the walls - Sultan Murad IV's then rebuilt more solidly around it in 1631

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            Following him, Abu Bakr, one of his companions, becomes caliph, that is to say "successor of" (Muhammad), and therefore religious, political and military leader of the ummah. This is called an elective Caliphate with an advisory council, "mushawara" (consultation), composed of companions of Muhammad, among which we find particularly three future caliphs (Umar, Uthman and Ali) Ubay and Zayd. Zayd was the personal secretary of the prophet, which was naturally assigned to produce an initial compilation of the Qur'anic revelation, transcribed by the companions of Muhammad. Abu Bakr continued the conquests, fought some Muslim tribes refusing to see him as the successor of the Prophet (these are wars of "ridda" or apostasy wars) and died in Medina in 634, trusting his power to Umar. This second caliph was a great conqueror. Expanding the borders of the empire to present-day Tunisia, through Egypt, the whole Middle East, Iraq, and to the far borders of Iran today.

            He takes Damascus (634). The Arabs come to Jerusalem in 637-638, which therefore falls outside the grasp of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium). Umar built a shrine there, the "Mosque of Umar" on what is today the Temple Mount, the supposed site of the old temple of the Jews. The Caliph Abd al-Malik eventually replaces it with the Dome of the Rock, built in the late 7th century. Meanwhile, Mohammeds witnesses, his companions, his scribes, his secretary, would have continued to learn by heart, recite, transcribe and distribute its revelation, the word of Allah, the Qur'an. They have also continued to recall the example of his life. The risk of compromising the revelation would have increased with the death of witnesses and the appearance of divergences within the umma. The work of collecting the Quranic fragments scattered among Muslims, initiated under Abu Bakr, was continued under Umar, still thanks to Zayd, is not enough. After the assassination of Umar in Medina in 644, Uthman, his successor, the third caliph, between 647 and 653 orders a single, official version, the canonical version of the Quran, classifying and ordering the suras from the longest to the shortest.

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              Uthman would have then destroyed all previous collections and fragments throughout the caliphate. He distributed the true version of the Quran, in the form of five copies of reference, in Medina, Damascus, Kufa and Basra (in present Iraq), and Mecca. This is the version that the 1923 edition of Cairo theoretically endorsed. It's still a reference to all Muslims. After the assassination of Uthman in 656 Ali, his cousin, succeeded him, disciple and historical companion of Muhammad. He will face a very serious civil war within the umma, the first fitna. Ali was assassinated in 661, ending the Caliphate of "rachidun" ("rightly guided&quot, the first successors of Muhammad whom Sunni Islam recognizes as divinely inspired models and leaders. The assassination of Ali still amplified the civil war with the quarrel of his estate, covering both the nature of the legacy of Muhammad as the clash of political ambitions already observed above. It eventually irreparably split Sunni Muslims, from Shiite and other dissident branches to simplify, Sunnis will prove supporters of political succession of Ali through Hasan, his son who takes after him in 661 less than a year, especially via Muawiya, the governor of Syria, which very quickly confronts Hasan by force. The Shiites want a religious legitimacy to the successor of Muhammad, an imam more than a military commander, and what's more, a descendant of the Prophet. They recognized Hasan, son of Ali and grand son of Muhammad, as their leader. After the death of Hasan in 670 (they say he was poisoned by his own wife by order of Muawiya, nine years after his ouster by the latter), they support his brother Hussein (the third Imam of Shiites, after his brother Hasan and his father Ali). They therefore oppose Muawiya, the eternal adversary of Ali and his son, when he became caliph (the first Umayyad caliph). You should know also the vicissitudes of the opposition of Muawiyah against Ali had triggered the split of a third branch of Muslims among the supporters of Ali, the Kharijites. It is they who had killed Ali in 661.

              Let us remember that Muawiya imposed himself as caliph, and transferred the capital from Medina to Damascus. He ended the elective Caliphate in choosing his son Yazid to succeed him on his death in 680, thus founding the Umayyad dynasty. Yazid has Hussein killed, and until 750 Umayyad reign amid the second fitna and endless religious and political wars. All this time the holy war of expansion of the umma against the infidels continues Persians, Byzantines, Berbers and other North Africans, Visigoths in Spain. The conquest extends even to the Franks and Central Asia. Internal wars continue until, at the end of a new civil war, the Umayyads were defeated at the battle of the great Zab (750) by As-Saffah. He became caliph and then established his new dynasty, the Abbasids to rule the ummah from its new capital, Baghdad, marking the rise of Persian influence in the empire. After that Mongols impose themselves in the 13th century and the Ottomans in the 14th century.

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                What is so hiddeen about this?

                This is the run of the mill crap about islam and history of islam that we have been served century after entury by the holu crusades.

                What a poimpous piece of shit.

                Salaam

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                  Thanks for the long essay. Unfortunately, it kept things covered. Muawiya guy was not Muslim, but Christian. Previously, I posted link to a piece about him here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607759.msg375166#msg375166

                  All this time the holy war of expansion of the umma against the infidels continues Persians, Byzantines, Berbers and other North Africans, Visigoths in Spain.

                  This needs more research.

                  Myth or Reality The ?Invasion? and Spread of Islam in Spain
                  Karin De Villa

                  The majority of Spaniards, as well as people worldwide that have heard about "Muslim Spain," know about the conquest of Spain, (Hispania at the time) by the Arabs. However, few deepen their search in analyzing whether this could actually be a logical approach, considering the number of people that came to the Iberian Peninsula in 711 AD. Whether a person should or should not believe what is written about Spain and its history, the article's main point is to challenge one's own ideas and thoughts in regards to how this event actually took place and value the seeds that this convivencia1 planted for the history of Spain and the world.

                  This article is mostly based on the book of the Spanish historian and paleontologist, Ignacio Olag?e, La Revoluci?n Isl?mica en Occidente (The Islamic Revolution in the West), also translated into French as Les arabes n'ont jamais envahi l'Espagne (The Arabs Never Invaded Spain), which portrays some of the ideas of the historian and philologist Americo Castro, especially known for his writings about convivencia.

                  According to the way that history is taught in most Spanish schools, the Moors invaded the Iberian Peninsula in 711 AD. Here, the following question can be asked Who did the Moors invade? In order to understand this, it is important to give a background of the inhabitants of Hispania at the time. The Iberian Peninsula was populated by Celts, Iberians, Sephardic Jews, Romans and Visigoths. The majority of Visigoths were Unitarian, meaning that they believed in only one God and were waiting the coming of the Messiah. They also saw Jesus as a Prophet. The rulers of Hispania in 711 AD were Visigoths as well. However, it was a civilization that constantly used force as a means of controlling the citizens of the peninsula, which resulted incessant instability. It was at this time that the Arabs, according to many historians, invaded Hispania.

                  De la Guardia2 states that "in no way were the newcomers all Arabs."3 The leaders came from Damascus, but they were only a few, and the majority that arrived in Hispania were Muslim Berbers. She later added, as well as Dr. Francisco Layna, author and professor of Harvard University "Everybody that studies history at any university is aware that there was not an Arab invasion in 711 AD. The Gibraltar Canal that separates Morocco from Spain has always been known as a tool for merchants to trade on both the Spanish and Moroccan Coast. Hence, this was not the first time that the Berbers had visited Spain."4

                  We can also ask if the Arabs were in a condition to invade Spain in 711 AD or not. In the middle of the eighth century the Berbers brought the Arabs' progress to a halt twice and this suspended the conquest of Northern Africa for another fifty years. Hence, the Arabs that came to Northern Africa were weak and few and therefore could never have invaded Hispania.

                  Olag?e adds that people never take the time to think how the "invaders" of North Africa crossed the Gibraltar Canal in a blink of an eye. In other words, how were they able to conquer 544,192 km2, the most mountainous region in Europe, in three years? Even more astonishing is how the 7,000 men of General Tariq, were enough in number, to defeat Rodrigo and his people in the Battle of Guadalete. Olag?e continues "If our math is right, each of the 25,000 Arabs was responsible for 23 km2. Since this was too easy for them, they ran to traverse the Pyrenees to dominate France." 5 How could a person cover 23 km2 especially in those harsh and mountainous conditions? Olag?e writes that "even if these soldiers conquered Hispania in these conditions, they would each have had 23 km2 of land and therefore would be like a needle in a haystack, compared to the other populations."6 Due to these reasons, we can conclude that an Arab invasion never took place. Furthermore, if natives of the Iberian Peninsula would have resented these newcomers, Hispania would have never been Muslim, would have never planted the seeds for the Renaissance in Europe, and would have not had scientific and artistic advancements that later influenced Europe and the American continent. If it were an invasion, the natives would have forced them to leave Hispania as it occurred when Napoleon in 1807 tried to seize Spain and asked permission of the Catholic Spanish Monarchy for his French troops to pass through Spain in order to invade Portugal. However, once in Spanish territory, Napoleon declared himself Emperor of Spain. It was at this point that the Spanish population resisted and with the help of sticks and stones drove the French out of the country. This was never the case when the Muslims arrived in Spain. Actually, the natives from the Iberian Peninsula welcomed them and were happy to see someone that respected their faith and their traditions and had similar beliefs as the majority of the natives of Hispania were Unitarian Christians. They believed in only one God, saw Jesus as a Prophet and awaited the Messiah, exactly as Muslims. The following treaty was signed in 713 CE-within two years after the first organized entry of Muslims into Spain from the south under the command of Tariq ibn Ziyad-between the Arab commander Abdal-Aziz and Theodomir, the Visigothic prince of Murcia, is a proof of the freedoms the natives of Hispania enjoyed after the Arab conquests.
                  source http//www.fountainmagazine.com/Issue/detail/Myth-or-Reality-The-Invasion-and-Spread-of-Islam-in-Spain

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                    Salaam,

                    I hope there are more parts to come, still waiting for the hidden secret..the information thus far isnt exactly unknown at all, needless to say it's the "official" narrative parroted everywhere including universities and schools (at least definitely in "Muslim" countries) albeit in a positively, overly glorified light.

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                      Good quote, Reel, concerning the Iberian Peninsula.

                      To note, that Roman imperialism, (those glorious civilisers) and then chritianity uprooted all previous beliefs and religions present in the Peninsula, thus doing away with the original heritage of the peoples. No muslim did that, romans and christians did.

                      Salaam

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                        What is so hiddeen about this?

                        This is the run of the mill crap about islam and history of islam that we have been served century after entury by the holu crusades.

                        What a poimpous piece of shit.

                        Salaam

                        salaam bro
                        totally agree
                        it is quite a tsunami of shit and mill crap

                        Peace

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                          Salaam,

                          I hope there are more parts to come, still waiting for the hidden secret..the information thus far isnt exactly unknown at all, needless to say it's the "official" narrative parroted everywhere including universities and schools (at least definitely in "Muslim" countries) albeit in a positively, overly glorified light.

                          This is only the very first chapter of a much longer thesis. The posts so far only cover the traditional account of what Islam tells about its own origins. As such I have not revealed anything yet in the existing posts. Seeing the immature reactions in this thread so far, it makes me wonder if I should continue my effort of translating this further. I'm not doing this for my own benefit you know, I master the french language perfectly well to be able to read the original transcript linked in the OP.

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                            What's so "secret" about the description above??
                            The "secret" that is not well known to most people is that
                            ISLAM IS AN ATTITUDE (DIEN) AND SUPPOSEDLY NOT A RELIGION

                            Those who possess islam attitude are being called "muslim".

                            "And Abraham instructed his sons and Jacob, , "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this DIEN, so do not die except while you are muslims."
                            (2132)

                            Both Abraham and Jacob never proclaimed their Shahada, never met Muhammad, never did their pilgrimage to Mecca, never read the Quran (perhaps they were totally illiterate and never read any writing at all), the paper based scroll and pen technology was not yet invented during their time thus "book" is a total impossibility for them, let alone "holy book".

                            And of course feel free to translate the word islam and muslim to any of your native tongue..
                            Peaceful, Submissive, Acceptance etc..
                            The name doesn't matter it's your attitude, character and deed / action that matters..

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                              This is only the very first chapter of a much longer thesis. The posts so far only cover the traditional account of what Islam tells about its own origins. As such I have not revealed anything yet in the existing posts. Seeing the immature reactions in this thread so far, it makes me wonder if I should continue my effort of translating this further. I'm not doing this for my own benefit you know, I master the french language perfectly well to be able to read the original transcript linked in the OP.

                              Feel free to continue..
                              I'm interested to read on "The Birth of the Religion of Islam".
                              Who invented the religion of Islam, why and how...

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                                Thanks for the long essay. Unfortunately, it kept things covered. Muawiya guy was not Muslim, but Christian. Previously, I posted link to a piece about him here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607759.msg375166#msg375166
                                This needs more research.
                                source http//www.fountainmagazine.com/Issue/detail/Myth-or-Reality-The-Invasion-and-Spread-of-Islam-in-Spain

                                I guess you are impatient and incapable of understanding what an "a priori" means. So far it only dealt with the traditional account. Muawiya calling himself christian is dealt with later in the thesis.

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                                  Feel free to continue..
                                  I'm interested to read on "The Birth of the Religion of Islam".
                                  Who invented the religion of Islam, why and how...

                                  All this will be answered. It's just a tedious job of translating the transcript to English. I'm doing this as a favor to those not able to read/understand French. The original work is only available in French, which I think is a very informative essay about the origins of Islam. I will continue my translation job some time later. I'm willing to debate the topics mentioned when the entire essay has been posted. Please understand I can't step into a debate when this translation process is still on-going.

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                                    The early history of Islam is revealed as tormented; three caliphs assassinated of the first four, murder of Hasan and Hussein, recurrent civil wars in the umma, holy war of conquest waged against unbelievers, let alone the brutality which the caliphs exercised their absolute authority with. The new religion of peace did not lead to appeasement. Nevertheless, the word of Allah was kept miraculously intact, and the memory of the actions of his prophet. This is the tradition (sunna), after hawking hadiths, these testimonies reported in chains of more or less solid oral transmission from the companions of Muhammad. Counting up to one and a half million compilations in the centuries that followed. Thus was reported the early history of Islam by Muslims they indeed do not possess of any contemporary Muslim historical narrative of the events recounted here. The Sira, the biography of the prophet, was written in the 9th century by Ibn Hisham, who was inspired by a lost biography, written by Ibn Ishaq a century earlier. Combining Koran, Sira and Hadith. Muslims further discern the divine message, the whole revelation contained from the start in the person of Muhammad. It is indeed a revelation from himself, from his own words (while the Quran dictates it was revealed by Gabriel) but also by his behavior of "beautiful role model" of perfect and normative example in everything he would have done or would not have done. Thus was instituted the divine law, the Sharia, written almost in its final form around the 10th century. It interpretes, explicitly and codifies this message to Muslims to live in the desired way by Allah for them and for all the earth. All elements of Islam and its worldview are then fixed and writings.

                                    The next post will focus on the Islamic dogma.

                                    The apologists of Islam now want to translate the word "Islam" with "peace"

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                                      BASICS OF THE MUSLIM DOGMA

                                      1. A single god Allah, the creator and absolute master of all things, of all life and of all times nature, the passage of time, the phenomena studied by science, fortunes and misfortunes of Muslims as well as infidels only exist because Allah decides so and it happens at every moment.

                                      2. A revelation of the word of Allah to the first believer and first prophet of Allah Abraham; followed by a revelation to a rebellious humanity conducted by prophets who came successively and reminded of the divine order to correct its excesses in its application. These regular reminders to the same word of Allah require men to submit themselves completely to their Creator, by law it imposes itself on them. The great monotheistic religions that Islam calls "Religions of the book" are the three main issues of these prophets (Moses, Jesus, Mohammed), which are each directed to certain communities respectively

                                      • The Jewish people, descendants of Abraham, a prophet of Allah, to whom Moses, the prophet of Allah, would have given a holy book, the Torah, containing the revelation of Allah; this book would announce the coming of Jesus, the Prophet of Allah and contains the commandments according to which Jews are supposed to live. But the Jews have falsified their scriptures and rejected Allah's commands given by Moses.

                                      • Christians, branch of the Jewish community, and thus from Abraham, to whom Jesus, Prophet of Allah would have given a holy book, the Gospel (singular), containing the revelation of Allah superior to the Torah; this book would announce the coming of Muhammad, Prophet of Allah and contains the commandments by which Christians are supposed to live. But christians would have falsified their scriptures and rejected the commandments of Allah given by Jesus. The latter holds a special role among the prophets of Islam since he is recognized as a messiah, he did not die on the cross but was removed in extremis by Allah and held in reserve in heaven until the end of time.

                                      • The Arabs, people ultimately chosen by Allah, descendants of Abraham, Prophet of Allah, and by extension, the Muslim community originating from the Arabs before their conversion, to whom Muhammad Prophet of Allah, would have given a holy book, the Quran, Allah's revelation superior to the Torah and the Gospel revelations that closes all the revelations and commandments. A book by which Muslims are supposed to live. Muslims have meanwhile kept intact their scriptures and observe Allah's commands given by Muhammad and explained by tradition.

                                      1. The absolute command given to Muslims as legitimate custodians of the ultimate word of Allah preserved in all its integrity, subjecting the entire world to the law of Allah, starting with themselves (laws including the five pillars of Islam profession of faith, prayer, Ramadan obligations, almsgiving and pilgrimage to Mecca). This is to be placed in an absolute subjection to the will of Allah, relying entirely on him and his law, according to his revealed will. The application of the law would be the key to earthly happiness and heavenly paradise after death - its non-application is leading to hell, or even worldly punishment as defined by Sharia law. And this law of control is to rid the world of infidels, unbelievers (the "kuffar&quot which are an offense to Allah, to his divine plan and therefore to Islam.

                                      2. The expectation of the end times occurring with the "Judgement Day", the Mahdi and the return of "Messiah Jesus" (for Sunnis), or the 12th Imam for shiites), who will fight the forces of evil, erradicating them of the earth, submitting all infidels and establishing Islam forever, for all.

                                      This is broadly sums up what Islam says about himself, its origins and its main principles. This is a fairly coherent system, which has in any case an implacable internal logic. Historical events it stacks on top of eachother using the same determinants and obey the same as those injunctions of Islam today. This is a comprehensive worldview that directs putting everything in its proper place

                                      This system warrants the sacred and unquestionable nature of the project of Islam, which is to save the world by submitting to Islam, either by conquest or by conversion
                                      IT IS THE WILL OF ALLAH

                                      This system explains how this will of Allah came to Muslims
                                      This IS THE REVELATION OF THE QURAN, WORD OF ALLAH

                                      This system explains the course of action that Muslims must hold according to the will of Allah (certainly pious Muslims)
                                      IT IS THE EXAMPLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD, SENT BY ALLAH

                                      This system demystifies the inconsistencies of the world, such as the presence of other monotheistic religions. Every one a perfect Muslim born from Adam and the origin of the world, the majority ignore the will of Allah, yet proven otherwise throughout history
                                      ONLY MUSLIMS REALLY APPLY THE WILL OF ALLAH

                                      If there is unrest among Muslims, unhappiness in their countries, it can only be because the perfect will of Allah is misapplied. While some criticize Muslims, this can only be because they are ignorant although they know little about the will of Allah, that explains everything, which already provides everything, by definition.
                                      MANY QUESTIONS, ONE ANSWER KNOWING AND APPLYING THE WILL OF ALLAH

                                      This worldview explains anything so much better than to question it. It is therefore strictly forbidden to do in Islam. We offer despite this questions to this vision, its speech, its system, telling a different story, one that Muslims today are unaware of, one of the first centuries Muslims have been withheld from the story of the great secret of Islam.

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                                        All this will be answered. It's just a tedious job of translating the transcript to English. I'm doing this as a favor to those not able to read/understand French. The original work is only available in French, which I think is a very informative essay about the origins of Islam. I will continue my translation job some time later. I'm willing to debate the topics mentioned when the entire essay has been posted. Please understand I can't step into a debate when this translation process is still on-going.

                                        Thanks for doing this rlz...

                                        To those posting, please refrain from abuse.

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                                          THE GREAT SECRET OF ISLAM

                                          As we mentioned in the introduction, in essence, our world knows Islam no other than by what it says of itself, by her Muslim history - even, considered fair and reasonable. This is the assertion of most Islamic scholars on television sets. But here in recent years, major breakthroughs on this story took place new research items, archaeological discoveries, new linguistic approaches and codicological (referring to ancient texts), taking into account the Aramaic context imposing as that of the birth of Islam, rigorous studies of Muslim texts and other elements.

                                          A doctoral thesis in theology and religious history was done in 2004 at the University of Strasbourg II by an amazing researcher, Edouard-Marie Father Gallez , student and follower of the work of Father Antoine Moussalli - which are rooted themselves in previous works of Middle Eastern researchers . This thesis is also based on its own research and the resumption of a colossal set of previous research, which led to major breakthroughs already mentioned. We will mention in particular the following

                                          • "Classic" Islamology remarkable discoveries were made by Regis Blachere, Alfred-Louis de Pr?mare, Patricia Crone, Michael Cook, Maria Theresa Urvoy Gerd Puin, Manfred Kropp, William Dye, Robert Kerr, and Christoph G?nter L?ling Luxenberg;
                                          • More or less scattered intellectual studies, historians, archaeologists, geographers, linguists, scientists and religious;
                                          • Historical and religious Traditions - starting of course with the traditions and Muslim texts - and also the Jewish traditions and those of the Eastern Churches;
                                          • New approach of origins of Christianity, notably by analysis of the Dead Sea scrolls.

                                          By linking the various aspects addressed separately by each of these subjects, the author assembles the different pieces of the puzzle as part of a comprehensive approach, supported by facts, testimonials, a multitude of evidence and consistent indications that are abundantly found listed and referenced in his works. It offers a scientific explanation to the appearance of Islam, documenting its real origins and different historical vicissitudes that have enabled it to constitute itself as religion. And thus, it helps to understand what Islam truly is.

                                          In this new and explosive approach results are put forward from a historical perspective, enriched by the latest findings of research.

                                          Of course, there is no absolute truth in terms of historical research. Researchers seek, discover, refute, explain, and still continue to look to try to approach the truth more closely. As such, this approach can not be directed against Muslims. They have nothing to fear, nothing to lose and everything to gain in this research of the truth, in the same way that Christians eventually benefit from this same work that begun long ago about the historical origins of Christianity. This is the story of the great secret of Islam, a story which the reader will be able to see how it differs from the official history.

                                          He published his thesis (1000 pages) under the title "The Messiah and His Prophet". It updates from this work, including a recent essay, The Islamic-Christian Misunderstanding, Regular publications on a website dedicated to his thesis and interventions within the EEChO association.
                                          Joseph Azzi, Monsignor Haddad-Dora, father superior Jerusalem)

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