Ramadaan The Correct Tiime To Break Fast
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As Salaamu Alaykum
The Sunni sect breaks fast for Ramadaan at the wrong time which is Maghrib (Sunset) and they have no bases at all in the Holy Qur'aan to support this. However, some Muslims that follow Qur'aan alone has been deceived by the Sunni sect to break fast at Maghrib (Sunset). Allah has clearly prescribed Al Layl (The Night) for the correct time to break our fast. It is important that we follow the Qur'aan alone and not sectarian schools of thought or man-made innovations. For those who are interested in examining the evidence, the facts in the Qur'aan in regards to the correct time to break fast, feel free to download the pdf documents that I wrote. You can download the document in English or Arabic.
Ramadaan Correct Time To Break Fast (English)
https//app.box.com/s/rs9drthovyr810mqrxxre0f7w3pok24cRamadaan Correct Time To Break Fast (Arabic)
https//app.box.com/s/mhaw3ekuq3fqici2lxmj3vr50lwwlo2u -
Peace Al Khidr19,
I was on the same stand as yours but brother Wakas has clarified it from 3637.
As you know HU from minHU is referring to alLayl in the above aayat.
That means "...We withdraw alLayl FROM alNahaar ..."It clearly shows that alLayl was still IN alNahaar before it was taken out.
So time of ghuroob or maghrib also includes alLayl in it.This is clear to me. Please take close look at it.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam agphys
Isha falls under the umbrella of Al Layl. Note that Al Layl comes first before Isha comes. We break our fast when Al Layl first appears, not when Isha first comes. You raised the following questions, when do Isha come in during the period of Al Layl, keep in mind that time is relative so the time when Isha comes in may very from day to day, month to month, year to year.
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Peace Al Khidr19,
I was on the same stand as yours but brother Wakas has clarified it from 3637.
As you know HU from minHU is referring to alLayl in the above aayat.
That means "...We withdraw alLayl FROM alNahaar ..."It clearly shows that alLayl was still IN alNahaar before it was taken out.
So time of ghuroob or maghrib also includes alLayl in it.This is clear to me. Please take close look at it.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSalaam mmkhan
If this is wakas argument, my document that you can download clearly rebuttals that distorted interpretation. In my document I have clearly proven through tons of examples that during the period of al Layl there is no light outside or in the horizon. Now pay close attention to the verse that you highlighted which proves that there is no light during the period of Al Layl
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Below are more examples in the Qur'aan that I presented in my document
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Now any one can see these verses and understand that there is no light outside or in the horizon during the period of Al Layl. Wakas interpretation is flawed and I'm not surprised because they distorted Salaat by pushing the "3 Salaat Theory" where they have to distort the true meaning of Al Layl in order to support their unfounded theory in Al Qur'aan.
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If this is wakas argument, my document that you can download clearly rebuttals that distorted interpretation. In my document I have clearly proven through tons of examples that during the period of al Layl there is no light outside or in the horizon. Now pay close attention to the verse that you highlighted which proves that there is no light during the period of Al Layl
Peace,
There's always some light present never complete darkness. It can get close to total darkness and remember as a young man on a ship in the ocean it was cloudy and could not see anything even a few meters away since it was pitch black; otherwise there's always some stray light.
In addition, there's a difference night with trailing "" entire night similar to making a hotel reservation for so many nights which Qur'an check in time is sunset i.e. sun not visible and checkout time at dawn when the sun is visible -- otherwise not possible to define darkness.
2187 permitted for you laylata/night the fast the sexual relations to womenfolk yours they garment for you and are you garment for them knowledge the god indeed you be/were you deceiving yourselves so turned upon you and forgave about you so henceforth have relations with them and seek ye of what written/prescribed the god for you and eat ye of and drink ye of until is shown for you the thread the white from the thread the black of the dawn furthermore complete ye of the fast to al-layli/the night and not have relations with them and are you devoting in the mosques those limits the god so not thou approach ye it like such shows the god signs his to the humankind perhaps they righteous being
Clear definition is given one sees the sunlight (sun is visible) or sun is not visible i.e. night.
1067 he the one made for you al-layla/the night to rest in it wal-nhar/and the sunlight visible of surely in such surely signs for folk hearing
If Anchorage Alaska fast time 20-21 hours; hence best to feed the poor always an acceptable alternative.
http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/anchorage-alaska.html
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Peace,
There's always some light present never complete darkness. It can get close to total darkness and remember as a young man on a ship in the ocean it was cloudy and could not see anything even a few meters away since it was pitch black; otherwise there's always some stray light.
In addition, there's a difference night with trailing "" entire night similar to making a hotel reservation for so many nights which Qur'an check in time is sunset i.e. sun not visible and checkout time at dawn when the sun is visible -- otherwise not possible to define darkness.
2187 permitted for you laylata/night the fast the sexual relations to womenfolk yours they garment for you and are you garment for them knowledge the god indeed you be/were you deceiving yourselves so turned upon you and forgave about you so henceforth have relations with them and seek ye of what written/prescribed the god for you and eat ye of and drink ye of until is shown for you the thread the white from the thread the black of the dawn furthermore complete ye of the fast to al-layli/the night and not have relations with them and are you devoting in the mosques those limits the god so not thou approach ye it like such shows the god signs his to the humankind perhaps they righteous being
Clear definition is given one sees the sunlight (sun is visible) or sun is not visible i.e. night.
1067 he the one made for you al-layla/the night to rest in it wal-nhar/and the sunlight visible of surely in such surely signs for folk hearing
If Anchorage Alaska fast time 20-21 hours; hence best to feed the poor always an acceptable alternative.
http//www.gaisma.com/en/location/anchorage-alaska.html
Salaam waalqalami
"There's always some light present never complete darkness. It can get close to total darkness and remember as a young man on a ship in the ocean it was cloudy and could not see anything even a few meters away since it was pitch black; otherwise there's always some stray light."
Its funny to see how people try to mystify things that are so simple. We have different periods and they are distinct from each other. The period of Al Layl comes after the period of Maghrib so that is enough to let you know that it is dark outside, with no light unlike we see during Maghrib or other periods of time such as zuhr, Asr etc. etc. When you read the Qur'aan Allah defines the words "Al Layl" and "Maghrib" and the distinction between the two periods are clear. Read my earlier post when I responded to mmkhan so you can see how Allah makes it so crystal clear that there is no light during the period of Al Layl and you know exactly what I mean by that; no one is saying that the sun disappeared or vanished from the universe.
Look at the verse carefully which is the only verse that Allah gave us the COMMAND, LAW to break our fast and it is during the period of Al Layl (The Night) which comes after the period of Maghrib (sunset)
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THERE IS NO DAYLIGHT DURING THIS PERIOD (AL LAYL).
I'm curious waalqalami do you break your fast at Maghrib?
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Salaam waalqalami
"There's always some light present never complete darkness. It can get close to total darkness and remember as a young man on a ship in the ocean it was cloudy and could not see anything even a few meters away since it was pitch black; otherwise there's always some stray light."
Its funny to see how people try to mystify things that are so simple. We have different periods and they are distinct from each other. The period of Al Layl comes after the period of Maghrib so that is enough to let you know that it is dark outside, with no light unlike we see during Maghrib or other periods of time such as zuhr, Asr etc. etc. When you read the Qur'aan Allah defines the words "Al Layl" and "Maghrib" and the distinction between the two periods are clear. Read my earlier post when I responded to mmkhan so you can see how Allah makes it so crystal clear that there is no light during the period of Al Layl and you know exactly what I mean by that; no one is saying that the sun disappeared or vanished from the universe.
Look at the verse carefully which is the only verse that Allah gave us the COMMAND, LAW to break our fast and it is during the period of Al Layl (The Night) which comes after the period of Maghrib (sunset)
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THERE IS NO DAYLIGHT DURING THIS PERIOD (AL LAYL).
I'm curious waalqalami do you break your fast at Maghrib?
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Salaam waalqalami
THERE IS NO DAYLIGHT DURING THIS PERIOD (AL LAYL).
I'm curious waalqalami do you break your fast at Maghrib?
that is nonsense there is always some light present simply go outside see for yourself.
break fast exactly as it says when sun drops below horizon i.e. sunset it's the only way.
otherwise you are guessing about how dark it is and it's never totally dark proven fact!
end of discussion! peace!
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light is what our eyes see due to atmosphere of planet earth with respect to the phenemon of rotation of sun (blue ,sky blue, black, orange/red, cloudy smoky white, light blue, darkk blue, navy blue,smoky gray) these all are some colors thats our eyes catch dring different time in 24 hours.its nothing to do with day and night.
the time of night by default started with the sunset, i mean when the sun is not visible on horizon.(day finish/daybreak)
same when sun is about to rise , there is also a light but day started when sun is visible on horizon.
light is atmosphere phenomenon, cannot apply to day and night, , day and night is sunrise and sunset,
so one can open fast at sunset. no harm in it.
peace.
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light is what our eyes see due to atmosphere of planet earth with respect to the phenemon of rotation of sun (blue ,sky blue, black, orange/red, cloudy smoky white, light blue, darkk blue, navy blue,smoky gray) these all are some colors thats our eyes catch dring different time in 24 hours.its nothing to do with day and night.
the time of night by default started with the sunset, i mean when the sun is not visible on horizon.(day finish/daybreak)
same when sun is about to rise , there is also a light but day started when sun is visible on horizon.
light is atmosphere phenomenon, cannot apply to day and night, , day and night is sunrise and sunset,
so one can open fast at sunset. no harm in it.
peace.
Actually what you have presented is nonsense and don't you know the difference between the period of "maghrib" and "al layl"? Explain to us what is the difference between Maghrib and Al Layl? You have said this
"the time of night by default started with the sunset"
Prove this in the Qur'aan. Second prove in the Qur'aan where Allah tells us to break fast during Maghrib (Sunset)?
What you are going to ignore the plethora of verses in the Qur'aan where Allah tells you plainly that during the period of Al Layl it is dark, no light outside. Look at what you said below
"so one can open fast at sunset. no harm in it"
I assume you meant to say break fast and not open fast and if that is true then now I can see why you are in denial. Can you provide a verse in the Qur'aan where Allah tells us to break our fast during Maghrib (Sunset) rather than respond with emotion? If you are breaking your fast at maghrib (sunset) you are in clear violation of Qur'aan 2187. The last time I looked at the Arabic text the word Maghrib (Sunset) does not exist in that verse. Muslims are not supposed to make up their own Hislam, we are instructed by our Creator to follow the Holy Qur'aan without altering or changing it.
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light is what our eyes see due to atmosphere of planet earth with respect to the phenemon of rotation of sun (blue ,sky blue, black, orange/red, cloudy smoky white, light blue, darkk blue, navy blue,smoky gray) these all are some colors thats our eyes catch dring different time in 24 hours.its nothing to do with day and night.
the time of night by default started with the sunset, i mean when the sun is not visible on horizon.(day finish/daybreak)
same when sun is about to rise , there is also a light but day started when sun is visible on horizon.
light is atmosphere phenomenon, cannot apply to day and night, , day and night is sunrise and sunset,
so one can open fast at sunset. no harm in it.
peace.
I see you follow the Sunni sect at breaking fast during maghrib (sunset)
"sunset it's the only way"
Let me remind you that Al Layl does not mean sunset. I CHALLENGE you to prove in the Qur'aan where Allah tells us to break our fast during the period of Maghrib (Sunset) and if you can that will end the debate but we all know you are just blowing smoke and following Sunni innovations!!!!
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Actually what you have presented is nonsense
its enough for me to understand what type of caliber you have . anyway what i presented is very simple and logical.
peace and God bless you.
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I see you follow the Sunni sect at breaking fast during maghrib (sunset)
"sunset it's the only way"
Let me remind you that Al Layl does not mean sunset. I CHALLENGE you to prove in the Qur'aan where Allah tells us to break our fast during the period of Maghrib (Sunset) and if you can that will end the debate but we all know you are just blowing smoke and following Sunni innovations!!!!
wrong quote,
sunset is the only way are you reffering this to me. or somebody else.
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All these rituals and how they cause people to fight...
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Peace Al Khidr19, Your argument is strong, in English sunset and night
are two distinct periods of time.peace
ALHAMDULILLAH HAWK99
ITS ALWAYS A NICE BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO RESPOND WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND MANIFEST AQL (LOGIC, REASON, COMMON SENSE).
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wrong quote,
sunset is the only way are you reffering this to me. or somebody else.
This was meant not for you but for the person who uses the id name "Noon waalqalami". If I accidently referenced you with this quote imrankhawaja, I'm sorry about that. Its been a while since I actually participated in these forums so I'm a little bit rusty clicking these buttons here and there.
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that is nonsense there is always some light present simply go outside see for yourself.
break fast exactly as it says when sun drops below horizon i.e. sunset it's the only way.
otherwise you are guessing about how dark it is and it's never totally dark proven fact!
end of discussion! peace!
I see you Noon waalqalami follow the Sunni sect at breaking fast during maghrib (sunset)
"sunset it's the only way"
Let me remind you that Al Layl does not mean sunset. I CHALLENGE you to prove in the Qur'aan where Allah tells us to break our fast during the period of Maghrib (Sunset) and if you can that will end the debate but we all know you are just blowing smoke and following Sunni innovations!!!!
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Peace .
Qoran always has the strongest argument. GOD says
911
By the sun and its brightness.912
The moon that follows it.913
The day that reveals.914
The night that covers.Does this define the "daytime" and "night time"?
Qoran says daytime shows the sun and night time covers the sun. Sunrise to sunset is the daytime. Sunset to sunrise is the night time.
Day time has different periods like morning, noon and afternoon. Night time has different periods like maghrib, night and dawn. Or am I missing something here?
GOD bless .
Peace.