Quran is Clear Versus Allegorical in Verse 3:7
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Interesting, my view is similar...some signs aren't static and since God teaches, one possible interpretation could be that God knows best what understanding is correct for which person depending on circumstances etc and it's on us to have patience, not to jump the gun, understand comprehensively as well we can and take the best meaning and so on to complete the circuit so to say. Pretty much has to be an active connection from both sides.
I read about an NDE experience (posted in another thread on here) in which the person claimed to learn the reason for the many religions in the world - Each of us is on different paths of spiritual understanding and enlightenment, so the various religions and spiritual paths serve in leading all kinds of people on every level.
Anyways... this is a bit fftopic post. -X
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Definitely, we are all at different levels of development , in different areas of life. However, within one religion there are lessons for all. Religion is basically distributed only geographically. What religion you end up with depends on where you are born. But of course, one could also see it like we are born into an area /religion that would do us well in our test/lesson of Life. Who knows?
One universal lesson is that about not judging others, and being humble enough to allow for one's own ignorance. This is what is lacking in the world.
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everybody will be judged according to the level of understanding he/she have but what apparent is everybody every religion every society knows very well what is right what is wrong? select a right path is success actualy..
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everybody will be judged according to the level of understanding he/she have but what apparent is everybody every religion every society knows very well what is right what is wrong? select a right path is success actualy..
Peace imrankhawaja right and wrong can be subjective that is why Allah
sent scriptures, messengers, prophets, saints, etc., that is one of the
points of 3/7.Definitely, we are all at different levels of development in different areas of life.
However, within one religion there are lessons for all.Peace Zulf, the above is so true
Religion is basically distributed only geographically. What religion you end up with depends on where you are born.
I would not say "only geographically" but mainly geographically. )
One universal lesson is that about not judging others, and being humble enough to allow for one's own ignorance. This is what is lacking in the world.
I agree
O0
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Peace imrankhawaja right and wrong can be subjective that is why Allah
sent scriptures, messengers, prophets, saints, etc., that is one of the
points of 3/7.Peace Zulf, the above is so true
I would not say "only geographically" but mainly geographically. )
I agree
O0
Peace be with you.
This is a good point, while God sends guidance and inspiration i believe, of right and wrong, it can become distorted, and sometimes we can follow our desires instead of recognizing or accepting the truth, Thanks be to God, that he revealed us the books, so then we have it clearly in front of us, in case there is any doubt.
of course, only those who believe see the truth of the quran, and only God can reveal its true interpretation. and those who do not believe will be blind to it regardless, and to any inspiration sent to them, in their souls.
I also agree with the previous point made, that we will be judged according to our understanding, as what comes to mind is from the gospel accounts
'to he who much is given, then much will be required of him'
the more understanding we have, the greater the responsibility upon us is.
Peace be with you all, and Gods mercy, and His blessings.
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Peace be with you.
This is a good point, while God sends guidance and inspiration i believe, of right and wrong, it can become distorted, and sometimes we can follow our desires instead of recognizing or accepting the truth, Thanks be to God, that he revealed us the books, so then we have it clearly in front of us, in case there is any doubt.
following our desires.... hmm
did thief dnt kknow he is doing wrong,,, illegal sex intercourse is a big desire , but both of them are not aware its wrong,,
direspecting or shouting at parents in daily debate,,, is it not wrong... and lot more common things what we desire to do but we know we are going to do wrong...
everybody know its wrong, every religion, every nation..
even a teenager in his teenage doing all these things know its wrong...
God gave us scriptures but he also gave us a sense of right and wrong...
using that sense does not require any scripture...
peace
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Peace imrankhawaja right and wrong can be subjective that is why Allah
sent scriptures, messengers, prophets, saints, etc., that is one of thescriptures messengers, prophets, allah sent to amend the ways of people who know they are doing wrong but continue to do it by their stubborness... did the nation of lot was not aware the acts like robbing on highway and homosexulaity what they are doing is wrong, but they continue it... even after stopping..by lot
but again my point of view was ,there is a sense in every human being that know whats is right and what is wrong... very clearly ,
peace
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Peace All,
The reason I asked about whether or not one ayat can be "tashaba" is because this particular form of the verb is one that demonstrates reciprocity.
Given this, when aayaat are said to be mutashaabihaat, it would mean they are similar to each other, not similar to something else. This is not about allegory in my opinion. That, I think is more aptly described by the term related to mathal.
While I have not come to a firm conclusion, my current understanding is that in 37, the references are to signs or verses similar to each other. In the case of verses, it may refer to verses like those speaking to riba which appear to have differences despite their similarity and the focus people choose to put on these differences when similar subjects are being discussed.
Imraan
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Peace All,
The reason I asked about whether or not one ayat can be "tashaba" is because this particular form of the verb is one that demonstrates reciprocity.
Given this, when aayaat are said to be mutashaabihaat, it would mean they are similar to each other, not similar to something else. This is not about allegory in my opinion. That, I think is more aptly described by the term related to mathal.
While I have not come to a firm conclusion, my current understanding is that in 37, the references are to signs or verses similar to each other. In the case of verses, it may refer to verses like those speaking to riba which appear to have differences despite their similarity and the focus people choose to put on these differences when similar subjects are being discussed.
Imraan
Peace,
this is an interesting point, and i believe it can also/rather apply to this verse. as you noted, there are quite alot of verses that repeat things in different ways, and many people do choose to see a contradiction, when it is probably only them contradicting the truth with their interpretation.
all up, i think far to much attention is given to the verses open to interpretation, and far too little attention is paid to the clear verses which even a child can understand, the mother of the book. I am not saying we should neglect parts of the quran, but simply to bear in mind..
that we should not seek to interpret such things, but rather seek God to interpret them for us, and not hasten it. otherwise we are more likely just to put our own desires into it
Peace
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Peace All,
The reason I asked about whether or not one ayat can be "tashaba" is because this particular form of the verb is one that demonstrates reciprocity.
Given this, when aayaat are said to be mutashaabihaat, it would mean they are similar to each other, not similar to something else. This is not about allegory in my opinion. That, I think is more aptly described by the term related to mathal.
While I have not come to a firm conclusion, my current understanding is that in 37, the references are to signs or verses similar to each other. In the case of verses, it may refer to verses like those speaking to riba which appear to have differences despite their similarity and the focus people choose to put on these differences when similar subjects are being discussed.
Imraan
It is not Form-III which signifies reciprocity. You are absolutely right that it is not allegory. Practical books do not contain allegorical content.
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The fact about existing realities is that not all are visible to human naked eye. The Primal Creator and also the knowledgeable-observant-scientists convey the knowledge about realities not apparent to human eye by using the metaphors. Descriptions by metaphors enable people perceive a general idea-image of invisible fact by relating it to characteristic features of the metaphor.
Knowledge acquired by human beings, until seventh century, was through naked eye observation. Naked eye observation of an object and reality grants conviction about its existence. Thought of invisible realities was all along there in human mind that kept him busy in developing theories to gain a perception about various phenomena.
Unitary Verbal Passages mirroring physical realities existing in the Universe and human body through metaphors render the Book living in time and space. Knowledge about matter is verifiable in time and space. Anything said by the Book regarding physical matters could be subjected to verification in time and space about its truth to an exact detail. Falsification test of any book-statement could be the physical one. The facts mentioned in the Qur'aan about the Universe and human body are in itself the falsification test of the Book.
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The fact about existing realities is that not all are visible to human naked eye. The Primal Creator and also the knowledgeable-observant-scientists convey the knowledge about realities not apparent to human eye by using the metaphors. Descriptions by metaphors enable people perceive a general idea-image of invisible fact by relating it to characteristic features of the metaphor.
peace mazhar ,
thats very true and logical...
i also have similar understanding.. sometimes we are unnable to tell whats going on our mind regarding the understanding of observing visibile things..
let say a example in chapter 55 regaridng the boundries of heaven and earth if we take it literally people assume its just the earth which we are living on,, infact its not the case .. but God giving us hint actually to come out of our bascis understanding shell to explore the discoveries ...
for me that earth include all the landmasses(multibillion planets)
right now we know billions of planet and billions of galaxies in our cosmic horizon i have a theory
for God its like a cup of tea he create a expanding ball in which all this is happening like a illusion of laws bound to us at specific loacation and time... we cannot control or change it apart from limited things what we actually need.. for survival and these things also done with the willness of God like rain, plant growth.. etc and God is telling us again and again to look at these signs..the cosmic ball is billion x billion x billion light years and who know apart from this cosmic ball what else is there ... how many more cosmic balls like this, how many more heavens and universes ...how many more creations ...
understanding of human being is developing by time to time ... but still we are very far from reality .. only the real entity is our lord who create all this not in vain...
somewhere God is telling us we did not create all this heaven and earth for mere play..
and a creation of heavens is more difficult than human being but little we understand ...
peace
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and a creation of heavens is more difficult than human being but little we understand
"Difficult" is not there. Nothing is difficult for Him the Exalted.
Certainly, the act of Creation of the Skies and the Earth is comparatively a greater assignment - undertaking than the act of the creation of the species-Human Being.
However, most of the people remain in the state of not accepting/realizing this fact/reality . -
"Difficult" is not there. Nothing is difficult for Him the Exalted.
indeed nothing is difficult /hard for God to create,,
this verse is for us to compare ourself with the universe ..
7927 What! Are you the more difficult/hard/powerful to create or is the heaven that He built?
although the word ashad of arabic u can say hard difficult or powerful but its for us to ponder about it...
some of the translator interpret this word as difficult...
peace but my concept was clear about it...
peace..
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to he who much is given, then much will be required of him'
the more understanding we have, the greater the responsibility upon us is.
Yes.
everybody know its wrong, every religion, every nation..
even a teenager in his teenage doing all these things know its wrong...
God gave us scriptures but he also gave us a sense of right and wrong...
using that sense does not require any scripture...
Peace imrankhawaja we disagree, sunni, shia, and KKK, the Nazi's,
female genital mutilators, honor killers and many others think they are right.Peace All,
The reason I asked about whether or not one ayat can be "tashaba" is because this particular form of the verb is one that demonstrates reciprocity.
Given this, when aayaat are said to be mutashaabihaat, it would mean they are similar to each other, not similar to something else. This is not about allegory in my opinion. That, I think is more aptly described by the term related to mathal.
While I have not come to a firm conclusion, my current understanding is that in 37, the references are to signs or verses similar to each other. In the case of verses, it may refer to verses like those speaking to riba which appear to have differences despite their similarity and the focus people choose to put on these differences when similar subjects are being discussed.
Imraan
Interesting 1CELOSTNOWFOUND, could you give a translation of 3/7 from your perspective?
that we should not seek to interpret such things, but rather seek God to interpret them for us,
and not hasten it. otherwise we are more likely just to put our own desires into itwell said
peace
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Peace imrankhawaja we disagree, sunni, shia, and KKK, the Nazi's,
female genital mutilators, honor killers and many others think they are right.detailed it plz what i understand here is honor killing and female genital mutilators...
about honor killing people do it due to ego.. but everybody know ego is a nasty thing... satan did the same...
about female genital mutilators i again say nobody have a right to touch/harm any human being and everybody know it...
but its the issue of ignorance... i wonder tradition is strange thing in some areas people left a little bit drink in their cupp thinking its a good tradition ,, on other areas they drink it all never left a drink in cup becoz its their tradition to drink full otherwise host will get angry....
in some areas if a women talk with stranger its allowed for a man to kill her,,, while in other arreas if you even caught a wife or sister on bed with stranger you bring a drink for them... rotfl
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detailed it plz what i understand here is honor killing and female genital mutilators...
about honor killing people do it due to ego.. but everybody know ego is a nasty thing... satan did the same...
about female genital mutilators i again say nobody have a right to touch/harm any human being and everybody know it...
but its the issue of ignorance... i wonder tradition is strange thing in some areas people left a little bit drink in their cupp thinking its a good tradition ,, on other areas they drink it all never left a drink in cup becoz its their tradition to drink full otherwise host will get angry....
in some areas if a women talk with stranger its allowed for a man to kill her,,, while in other arreas if you even caught a wife or sister on bed with stranger you bring a drink for them... rotfl
Peace imrankhawaja, you seemed to have left out culture as a factor
in determining right and wrong handshakeGod bless you
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Peace imrankhawaja, you seemed to have left out culture as a factor
in determining right and wrong handshakeGod bless you
lol honor killing is also cultural my brother its you who bring cultural factor...
handshake