the history of humankind...
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i m starting with some verses that really need to ponder and its enough to tell us that man was already there... the character/soul/spirit but the species of human being was not much worthy... and God perfected us through his grace.. although last verse is telling us we have a power of decision and whatever deciosn we will take we will get result the same way
761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be mentioned?
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made him hear and see.
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.peace
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i m starting with some verses that really need to ponder and its enough to tell us that man was already there... the character/soul/spirit but the species of human being was not much worthy... and God perfected us through his grace.. although last verse is telling us we have a power of decision and whatever deciosn we will take we will get result the same way
761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be mentioned?
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made him hear and see.
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.peace
I have found same in the Quran i.e. human race had evolved. Archaeology also supports it. I don't think that human race progressed through incest.
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Peace,
I believe, in light of the Quran, that life has/is evolved, but that before 'the fall', we were not Alameen, or distinguished creatures, after we lost 'our garments' we became aware of ourselves, and the test of this lower life began. This is only my understanding.. i feel within myself that there is an understanding, a truth there, but it is hard to comprehend properly, and hard to put into words, its almost as if life previously is life a dejavu we cant remember properly, but somewhere in our souls, we know. I think that this is because God had us bare witness to the truth, before sending us here.
Also, i agree with you huruf, i think the Quran points to multiple somethings.. instances of this test maybe.. I am not sure, again its hard to comprehend or explain.
What do you mean by a damic population? and where is this in the quran?
Peace.
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Salaam to All,
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70- We have honored the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on the land and the sea,
and We have provided for them of the clean/good things.
And We have favored them over many of those whom (=men this pronoun always refers to "human populations,"
never for any of those other "living-beings" (="animal" or "bird" populations etc.) throughout QURAN TESTAMENT)--
We created --(prior to those Children of Adam above)-- with an (abundant) favor.(QURAN TESTAMENT 17/70)
Therefore, I strongly believe that there were many human/humanoid populations (=like Neanderthal, Denisovan, etc.) before Children of Adam
appeared on this earth, as clearly pointed out in the above Verse.And thereby, I also strongly believe that AL-LAH has created Children of Adam through "Evolutionary Creation Miracle," from the very beginning.
Only those fanatic "Evangelical Ideology" (especially in U.S.) strictly fights against "Evolutionary Creation Miracle" for more than a century.https//answersingenesis.org/media/video/evolution/
https//answersingenesis.org/theistic-evolution/10-dangers-of-theistic-evolution/Because they still wrongfully claim that
"GOD created Humans instantly and separately from all other living-beings in HIS own (Physical) Image, in an instant, 6000 years ago!"
This is their utterly misguided/wrong/mistaken interpretation of Bible
which is strictly condemned in QURAN TESTAMENT as "Messiah Dajjal ideology" (=5/18, 72-74)that must absolutely be rejected by all truthful (Jewish and Christian and Muslim) Believers, in this Final age. (=5/18, 72-74)
Please, also absolutely see QURAN TESTAMENT 2/30 & 6/133 & 71/14 & 42/11 & .......) in this respect,
now herehttp//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html
Remain in peace/salaam.
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i m starting with some verses that really need to ponder and its enough to tell us that man was already there... the character/soul/spirit but the species of human being was not much worthy... and God perfected us through his grace.. although last verse is telling us we have a power of decision and whatever deciosn we will take we will get result the same way
761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be mentioned?
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made him hear and see.
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.peace
Man from mixed seed or clay?
"Verily We created man from clay" (2312)
?And when your Lord said to the angels ?I am going to create a human from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.? (3871-72)The description above (man from soil / clay) aligned with Genesis..
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 27)And Ancient Egyptian too..
"Khnum was believed to have created humankind from clay like a potter" Khnum is the God of fertility..And Sumerian too..
This first man was created in Eden, a Sumerian word which means ?flat terrain?. In the Epic of Gilgamesh , Eden is mentioned as the garden of the gods and is located somewhere in Mesopotamia between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.
The God Enki then saith to his mom the Goddess Nammu
"In the clay, god and man
Shall be bound,
To a unity brought together;
So that to the end of days
The Flesh and the Soul
Which in a god have ripened ?
That soul in a blood-kinship be bound."The full list
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_of_man_from_clay -
Salaam/Peace Jafar,
I believe, those older Documents you referred to above either contain "symbolic/allegorical descriptions" (as/in Bible, Genesis),
and the others are totally unreliable sources which mostly contain superstitions (as/in those ancient Egyptian or Sumerian sources,
which may also contain some truths here and there, in them, because there were Prophets and Messengers sent by AL-LAH,
with Scriptures even long before Torah & Gospel & Quran was sent down, therefore, it is not a big surprise that
some Truths in them may have been heard and recorded --correctly or most of the time incorrectly-- here and there
also in those ancient Egyptian or Sumerian sources, etc. from time to time),but QURAN TESTAMENT is the One and Only
Totally Reliable, Most MIRACULOUS, Absolutely Superb and Matchless
"Perfect Religious/Mathematic/Scientific Text" for all Humanity, in this Final Age now.Here are the Most Clear & Unmistakable PROOFS, one by one,
now herehttp//www.19covenant19.com/Forum.html
Therefore, that "clay/mud" (=in Arabic tiyn/salsal) you referred to above
mentioned throughout QURAN TESTAMENT (=23/12-13 & 32/7 & 15/26 & 55/14 & ........)
may refer to all those "elements" contained on/in earth's crust and interior, from which all Humans are made of.Because then it is clearly and perfectly pointed out that AL-LAH has created the whole Universe
through "Cosmic Evolutionary Creation Miracle" (=i.e. Big Bang)and all living-beings therein
through "Biological Evolutionary Creation Miracle",in long periods of time.
So we should absolutely see all of these Verses --(thoroughly and carefully, one by one)-- in this respect above,
in QURAN TESTAMENT, now here=21/30 & 51/47 & =2/30 & 4/133 & 6/133 & 71/13-15 & 42/11 & 76/1 & .......
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Man from mixed seed or clay?
"Verily We created man from clay" (2312)
?And when your Lord said to the angels ?I am going to create a human from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.? (3871-72)The description above (man from soil / clay) aligned with Genesis..
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 27)And Ancient Egyptian too..
"Khnum was believed to have created humankind from clay like a potter" Khnum is the God of fertility..And Sumerian too..
This first man was created in Eden, a Sumerian word which means ?flat terrain?. In the Epic of Gilgamesh , Eden is mentioned as the garden of the gods and is located somewhere in Mesopotamia between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.
The God Enki then saith to his mom the Goddess Nammu
"In the clay, god and man
Shall be bound,
To a unity brought together;
So that to the end of days
The Flesh and the Soul
Which in a god have ripened ?
That soul in a blood-kinship be bound."The full list
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_of_man_from_clayPeace,
from genisis 27
what did God do? He 'Fashioned' Man....
3335 yatsar yaw-tsar' probably identical with 3334 (through the squeezing into shape); ((compare 3331)); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively, to determine (i.e. form a resolution)--X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make(-r), potter, purpose. see HEBREW for 03334 see HEBREW for 03331
here is the see also/compare etc..
3334 yatsar yaw-tsar' a primitive root; to press (intransitive), i.e. be narrow; figuratively, be in distress--be distressed, be narrow, be straitened (in straits), be vexed.
3331 yatsa` yaw-tsah' a primitive root; to strew as a surface--make (one's) bed, X lie, spread.
now i do not know hebrew well enough, but what i do understand is the example God has given us of the potter, and how he fashions something out of clay.
What about the Quran?
The key word here again is the 'Fashioned' (sawway)
Siin-Waw-Ya = to be worth, equivalent to. sawwa - to level, complete, arrange, make uniform, even, congruous, consistent in parts, fashion in a suitable manner, make adapted to the exigencies or requirements, perfect a thing, put a thing into a right or good state. istawa - to establish, become firm or firmly settled, turn to a thing, to direct one's attention to a thing, mount. ala sawain - on terms of equality, i.e. in such a manner that each party should know that it is free of its obligations, at par. sawiyyun -even, right, sound in mind and body. sawiyyan - being in sound health.
sawwa (vb. 2) to proportion, fashion, perfect, level, equal, fill the space. sawa - midst....from Project root list.
I do firmly trust, that this points to evolution or a fashioning, as God said he created the heavens and the earth etc, in a number of 'days' and We know a day to Him is like a thousand of our Years.. seems like a long time.
another key part, which leads me to my understanding is this..
so when i have fashioned him, and breathed into him from my Ruh..
all this, and more leads me to believe that God formed life on earth through evolution, and when he had fashioned us, in the form he so willed, he breathed life into us, via his Ruh.
there are a few key phrases which point to a timeline, in my understanding, i.e 'fa itha' (so when/at the time that) and the 'fasjada' or so prostrated. in my understanding fa means after that, like and (wa) but denoting that it happened afterwards
Peace
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Peace all,
I have found same in the Quran i.e. human race had evolved. Archaeology also supports it. I don't think that human race progressed through incest.
There was progressive creationism or evolutionary creationism and not just random evolution otherwise the spurts/jumps in the hominid fossil records cannot be explained. There was also genetic manipulation and directed panspermia involved for various life forms.
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_creationism
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PanspermiaSumerian clay tablet cuneiform inscriptions provide some mind boggling evidence of genetic manipulation of humans.
Peace
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ponder on these signs as well...
6133 And your Lord is the Rich, possessor of Mercy. If He wished, He could remove all of you and bring after you whom He pleases, just as He established you from the seed of another people.
peace
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Salaam to All,
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70- We have honored the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on the land and the sea,
and We have provided for them of the clean/good things.
And We have favored them over many of those whom (=men this pronoun always refers to "human populations,"
never for any of those other "living-beings" (="animal" or "bird" populations etc.) throughout QURAN TESTAMENT)--
We created --(prior to those Children of Adam above)-- with an (abundant) favor.(QURAN TESTAMENT 17/70)
Therefore, I strongly believe that there were many human/humanoid populations (=like Neanderthal, Denisovan, etc.) before Children of Adam
appeared on this earth, as clearly pointed out in the above Verse.And thereby, I also strongly believe that AL-LAH has created Children of Adam through "Evolutionary Creation Miracle," from the very beginning.
Only those fanatic "Evangelical Ideology" (especially in U.S.) strictly fights against "Evolutionary Creation Miracle" for more than a century.https//answersingenesis.org/media/video/evolution/
https//answersingenesis.org/theistic-evolution/10-dangers-of-theistic-evolution/Because they still wrongfully claim that
"GOD created Humans instantly and separately from all other living-beings in HIS own (Physical) Image, in an instant, 6000 years ago!"
This is their utterly misguided/wrong/mistaken interpretation of Bible
which is strictly condemned in QURAN TESTAMENT as "Messiah Dajjal ideology" (=5/18, 72-74)that must absolutely be rejected by all truthful (Jewish and Christian and Muslim) Believers, in this Final age. (=5/18, 72-74)
Please, also absolutely see QURAN TESTAMENT 2/30 & 6/133 & 71/14 & 42/11 & .......) in this respect,
now herehttp//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html
Remain in peace/salaam.
Excellent selection of ayas, thank you.
Interesting that although most of the time tranlatedor preented as mud or clay or dust, the fact is that the Qu'an gives a series of terms for that creation, and i do think that those different terms do mean something specific each of them and are nnot random rwording of the sameconcept but rather bits which poit to specifics of the question.
Excellent.
Salaam
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Peace,
God did not create man in his image,
rather, theese distorters created a god in their own image to support their falsified claims. distorting the torah and everything else they came accross in the process.
praise be to God
It depends on how you see it.
"His image" obviously doesn't mean a physical stature... so what could it mean? The "image" can actually be that of a Creator. The human being as a creator does of course not mean we are creators like God, but at one level, we actually are creators. We can create through prayer/emotion/visualization... something beyond our physical/material actions. You may look up Gregg Braden's "The lost mode of prayer" in regards to this.peace
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Peace,
Regarding the issue of humans made of clay, I would like to highlight that it is Literally True.
In fact, our bodies are made of the same molecules and atoms as those in the clay, but these atoms are only organized differently. Our bodies contains carbon, iron, magnesium, sodium, potassium, H2O ... even some uranium.
Also, it is the case for all living creatures, all are made of clay, with different DNA generating different creatures, by the god's will.
Another point is that rouh is different from nafs. Rouh is specific to humans, while nafs is used for both humans and animals in alquran.
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rooh is responsible for every action.. and rooh is real self of a person..
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rooh is responsible for every action.. and rooh is real self of a person..
Peace
do you have evidence for this as in my understanding, the ruh is not ours.. the only time we see 'my ruh' in the quran, the '1st person' is God.in my understanding the nafs is the self (our soul). ruuh seems to be the lifeforce, or breath/inspiration (in the original sense of the word comming from 'nsprre' (latin))
1785
3872
Theese verses. as well as the little in the previous scriptures, indicate that it is that which gives us life, but not our souls, the quran often says that 'you are responsible for yourself' in different ways, but in my understanding, usualy always uses nafs or a pronoun. i could be incorrect though, one thing we know for certain is (of course this is my faliable interpretation of the verses)
'we know little of it'
'it is the command of our Lord'
'The Lord breathed it into us' -
ponder on these signs as well...
6133 And your Lord is the Rich, possessor of Mercy.
If He wished, He could remove all of you and bring after you whom He pleases, just as He established you from the seed of another people.peace
Salaam/Peace Imran,
May AL-LAH bless you.
I believe, this may be among the key Verses
that clearly informs us about the Evolutionary Creation origin of Humans (=Homo Sapiens Wise Humans =Descendants of Adam).============================
30- And then, your LORD said
I am about to make on earth a Successor (=Khalifatan) (=Adam and his Descendants therein =2/30),
...............133- And your LORD is The Rich-One, Possessor of Infinite-Mercy.
If HE wills, HE can remove you and can make Successors (=yastaKhlif) after you whomever HE wills,
as HE produced you from the descendants of another People (=qawman akhareen Homo Habilis Skillful Humans from whom
those Homo Sapiens Wise Humans =Descendants of Adam have been produced as Successors (=Khalifatan) after them therein,
as it is specifically emphasized in the above Verse, in this respect, in the very first place.)--*We can see it, in detail, here
QURAN TESTAMENT
2/30 & 6/133
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.htmlRemain in peace/salaam.
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Interesting that although most of the time tranlatedor preented as mud or clay or dust,
the fact is that the Qu'an gives a series of terms for that creation,
and i do think that those different terms do mean something specific each of them
and are not random wording of the same concept but rather bits which point to specifics of the question.Excellent.
Salaam
Salaam/Peace Huruf,
Yes, indeed. What you say above makes perfect sense to me.
Because these specific terms (=turaab & tiyn & salsal & hama) in QURAN TESTAMENT18/37, ... & 6/2, ... & 15/28, ...
must also be reflected upon, separately,
there may come magnificent Scientific/Mathematic MIRACLES after a comprehensive research in this regard.May AL-LAH bless you and all of us, Greatly. (=20/114 & 21/37)
Remain in peace/salaam.
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It depends on how you see it.
"His image" obviously doesn't mean a physical stature.....................
..................peace
Salaam/Peace Zulf,
I think you are absolutely right in this respect, but those Evangelical Christians
who are still fiercely fighting against "Evolutionary Creation" concepthttps//answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/creator-god/man-the-image-of-god/
are still (wrongfully/mistakenly) interpreting it also as "Physical Stature,"
and so they still (wrongfully/blasphemously) claim that
"Christ Jesus was also Physical Representation of GOD on Earth, as part of Trinity!"Although nowadays some of them seem to have backtracked a little bit and they claim that
"Christ Jesus was essentially Spiritual Representation of GOD on Earth, as part of Trinity!"but nonetheless because they can never totally give up on their "Physical Representation of GOD" belief
and so they are still trying somehow to incorporate both in this manner"Christ Jesus was essentially Spiritual Representation of GOD on Earth" but in someway/somehow
"he was absolutely also Physical Representation of GOD on Earth, too, as part of Trinity!"http//www.comereason.org/created-in-the-image-of-god.asp
Each of these or/and both of these Evangelical Doctrines above are totally condemned and refuted in QURAN TESTAMENT
as blasphemous "Messiah Dajjal" (=Anti Christ) ideology (=5/17-18, 72-74)that must absolutely be rejected by all truthful (Jewish and Christian and Muslim) Believers, in this Final age. (=5/17-18, 72-74)
We can see it, in detail, here
QURAN TESTAMENT
71/14 & 42/11 & 5/17-18, 72-74 .......http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html
Remain in peace/salaam.
