the history of humankind...
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Peace,
Regarding the issue of humans made of clay, I would like to highlight that it is Literally True.
In fact, our bodies are made of the same molecules and atoms as those in the clay, but these atoms are only organized differently. Our bodies contains carbon, iron, magnesium, sodium, potassium, H2O ... even some uranium.
Also, it is the case for all living creatures, all are made of clay, with different DNA generating different creatures, by the god's will.
Another point is that rouh is different from nafs. Rouh is specific to humans, while nafs is used for both humans and animals in alquran.
Peace Someone,
We are earth creatures, the food we eat and the drinks we drink are made from what is on earth and when we die we will be earth again.
The earth is just a giant ultra intelligent factory (the biggest on earth ) that produces all kind of things including living creatures by recycling.
She (it's a lady ) even has a self recovery system.419
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"While He created you in stages?"
"Did you not see how God created seven heavens in layers?"
And made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a radiant lamp.
"God made you grow from the earth as plants."
"Then He returns you to it, and He brings you out totally?"71 /14-18
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..................Another point is that rouh is different from nafs. Rouh is specific to humans, while nafs is used for both humans and animals in alquran.
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Someone,
I can clearly see that "rooh" is specific to Humans (=38/72, ......),
and "nafs" is to Humans (=42/11, ......),but I still couldn't see where "nafs" is also to animals (=?)
Can you, please, give me one --or more-- example, in this regard?
I need to know it. I am doing a research about it.Thank you very much.
Remain in peace/salaam. -
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Someone,
I can clearly see that "rooh" is specific to Humans (=38/72, ......),
and "nafs" is to Humans (=42/11, ......),but I still couldn't see where "nafs" is also to animals (=?)
Can you, please, give me one --or more-- example, in this regard?
I need to know it. I am doing a research about it.Thank you very much.
Remain in peace/salaam.Peace,
The word Ruh in my understanding is 'breath of life' hence other root meanings include wind etc. I think that it is not something unique to human beings, although i could be wrong, as God says, we have little knowledge of the Ruh
Ruh is frequently used in the previous scriptures, for example in genesis, 'the Ruh of God passed over the waters' (Gen 1.2) and 'and they came to Noah, two by two of all flesh in which Ruh lives in him' (Gen. 715)
ruh in hebrew
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There are two roots of the form (rwh), one having to do with breath and the other one with being wide, and note that the same duality exists in the word (nepesh), which denotes a living being.
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The root (rwh I) is not or sporadically used as verb in the Bible (see Isaiah 278 for a possible substantive use of the verb), but its main derivative, the noun (ruah) occurs 379 times.The feminine and sometimes masculine noun (ruah) in its most abstract definition reflects a global force that moves or motivates multiple recipients. It's the most common word for wind (Exodus 1013, Proverbs 2523, Jeremiah 4936), but its usages go far beyond that.
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Not surprisingly, our word most often describes a living being as recipient of whatever forces move the world in general. It covers animals (Genesis 715, Psalm 10429) and humans (Genesis 418, Isaiah 425). It may reflect something as mundane as inhaling breath through the nose, which results in smelling the world (Genesis 2727, Song of Solomon 78, Jeremiah 224), but it also describes a kind of cerebral inhaling via which ideas enter one's ruah (Ezekiel 115). Mostly it reflects either a people's collective experience of something (Joshua 211, Lamentations 420), or an individual's experience of what everybody else is also feeling (Job 171)."
heres the link http//www.abarim-publications.com/Dictionary/r/r-w-ht.htmlalso researching nafs in the previous scriptures could shed some light, as the two concepts seem closely related, for example
napesh (nafs) in hebrew
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The close connection between our noun and the act of breathing is also evident in the Bible. Job 4121, YHWH speaks of Leviathan, and says, "His breath (, nepesh) kindles coals and a flame goes out of his mouth". In Genesis 27, YHWH> creates Adam by forming him from earth and breathing (, napah) the breath (, neshama) of life into his nostrils (, 'ap), so that he became a (nepesh haya); a living soul."
heres the link http//www.abarim-publications.com/Dictionary/n/n-p-si.html -
people confuse with life-force/rooh/spirit/soule ... infact whatever name you give it dosent matter...
the difference between a human and animal is a real self of a person...
the name you can give is character/self/conscience/sense of right and wrong...
that make you differ from animal and human... animals dnt have it...
life force and body are two things one is garment of your character another is a force that drives that garment ... but again real self is a character ... which is responsible for things related to life force or garment..
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Peace,
The word Ruh in my understanding is 'breath of life'
hence other root meanings include wind etc. I think that it is not something unique to human beings,
although i could be wrong, as God says, we have little knowledge of the Ruh
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......................heres the link http//www.abarim-publications.com/Dictionary/n/n-p-si.html
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Timotheus,
May AL-LAH bless you, Greatly, for all the valuable information and the links you have provided above.
But first of all, I need to know exclusively and only in QURAN TESTAMENT alone,
has "nafs" ever been used for any living-being other than Humans,
or is it always used specifically and only for Humans throughout QURAN TESTAMENT?After learning this clearly, in QURAN TESTAMENT, first of all, we may also certainly go to TORAH and GOSPEL, thereafter, inshaAL-LAH. (=5/44-48)
So if you know or may learn anything about this, your Contribution is much appreciated here, brother.
Remain in peace/salaam.
people confuse with life-force/rooh/spirit/soule ... infact whatever name you give it dosent matter...
the difference between a human and animal is a real self of a person...
the name you can give is character/self/conscience/sense of right and wrong...
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Imran,
If we find the clear Answer to that question above, we can go deeper into this important Issue, soon, inshaAL-LAH.
Remain in peace/salaam.
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people confuse with life-force/rooh/spirit/soule ... infact whatever name you give it dosent matter...
the difference between a human and animal is a real self of a person...
the name you can give is character/self/conscience/sense of right and wrong...
that make you differ from animal and human... animals dnt have it...
life force and body are two things one is garment of your character another is a force that drives that garment ... but again real self is a character ... which is responsible for things related to life force or garment..
Peace, do you have any evidence for your view that animals do not have a soul or real self?
soul is not ruh, ruh is breath, breath is not ours.. we breath it in and out, God breathed it into us originaly, (The Ruh)
soul or self is nafs, this seems evident in the quran, it is also related to our wills, desire etc, this is us
if it is right and wrong, or our conscience, i would say that is Gods inspiration, based on 917-8 , prehaps also fitrah, cant recall the verses at this time..of course this is only my understanding.. i do my best to base it on Gods revelations alone
peace.
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Salaam/Peace be upon you, Timotheus,
May AL-LAH bless you, Greatly, for all the valuable information and the links you have provided above.
But first of all, I need to know exclusively and only in QURAN TESTAMENT alone,
has "nafs" ever been used for any living-being other than Humans,
or is it always used specifically and only for Humans throughout QURAN TESTAMENT?After learning this clearly, first of all, we may also certainly go to Torah and Gospel, thereafter, inshaAL-LAH. (=5/44-48)
So if you know or may learn anything about this, your Contribution is much appreciated here, brother.
Remain in peace/salaam.
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Imran,
If we find the clear Answer to that question above, we can go deeper into this important Issue, soon, inshaAL-LAH.
Remain in peace/salaam.
Peace.
I would recommend simply doing a root search of the quran InshaAllah, searching nun-fa-siin, using either an application like zekr, or the corpus.quran.com
here is a link here to the occurances of n-f-s in al-quran
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=nfsThe Torah is also legitimate, as God informs us in the quran. I find it, and the books of prophets, and the gospel accounts invaluable for learning, and i have learnt much from them, by the will of God.
Peace.
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Peace, do you have any evidence for your view that animals do not have a soul or real self?
soul is not ruh, ruh is breath, breath is not ours.. we breath it in and out, God breathed it into us originaly, (The Ruh)
soul or self is nafs, this seems evident in the quran, it is also related to our wills, desire etc, this is us
if it is right and wrong, or our conscience, i would say that is Gods inspiration, based on 917-8 , prehaps also fitrah, cant recall the verses at this time..of course this is only my understanding.. i do my best to base it on Gods revelations alone
peace.
peace my brother did you really take time to look at the post properly ... i told you not to confuse with words...
whether you say a real self a soul or spirit, nufs rooh ,,, i m not bother about it.. how you understand your real self...
yes animal dnt have character/realself/freewill and they are not accountable for their action,,,
do you have evidence they have it and they are responsible for their actions?
or you are unable to understand that what life force is ?
if you have anything better i mean any evidence i m looking for it ..
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The Torah is also legitimate, as God informs us in the quran. I find it, and the books of prophets, and the gospel accounts invaluable for learning, and i have learnt much from them, by the will of God.
Peace.
did you also find other things on quran that scriptures are changed due to the violations of human interference and judge everything through quran...
thats y God send this criterion to judge between truth and falsehood...
dnt you also want evidence for this... in the shape of quranic verses?
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peace my brother did you really take time to look at the post properly ... i told you not to confuse with words...
whether you say a real self a soul or spirit, nufs rooh ,,, i m not bother about it.. how you understand your real self...
yes animal dnt have character/realself/freewill and they are not accountable for their action,,,
do you have evidence they have it and they are responsible for their actions?
or you are unable to understand that what life force is ?
if you have anything better i mean any evidence i m looking for it ..
Peace.
Yes i did read your post properly. real self real soul is ambigious, i would much rather speak in regards to concrete concepts in the quran.animals do have wills and desires, my cat comes and meows at me, as i said earlier (if i recall correctly), the Torah clearly shows that animals have nafs. a soul or self, desire etc. i believe this is us. if i did not mention it, please refer to the links i posted, and look up the occurances if you wish, InshaAllah
I however never said they are responsible for their actions.
what animals dont have is 'the trust' (3372), in my understanding.
brother, i would much rather speak in concrete terms, such as those in the quran etc. not western abstract terms, which are by nature ambiguous, like 'real self' 'life force' unless you can clearly define concretely what you are talking about.
God is the one who gives life and causes death.
He breathed into us from His Ruhagain i may be wrong. i do not know for certain. neither do you. as God said, we have little knowledge of Ruh.
and yes, by all means produce your proof if you are truthfull.
Peace.
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Peace.
Yes i did read your post properly. real self real soul is ambigious, i would much rather speak in regards to concrete concepts in the quran.animals do have wills and desires, my cat comes and meows at me, as i said earlier (if i recall correctly), the Torah clearly shows that animals have nafs. a soul or self, desire etc. i believe this is us. if i did not mention it, please refer to the links i posted, and look up the occurances if you wish, InshaAllah
see you did not understand properly again,,,
i asked a question here you go i will make it bit bigger now
do you have evidence they have it and they are responsible for their actions?
so you give me that answer inn ur post, its wonderful
if your cat kill a mouse does it mean we need to hang her till death,,
or if you cat steal a thing and take it away will you gona punish her...?
thats what i was on about ,, we human being are acountable for ourself whereas animals are not ,
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see you did not understand properly again,,,
i asked a question here you go i will make it bit bigger now
do you have evidence they have it and they are responsible for their actions?
so you give me that answer inn ur post, its wonderful
if your cat kill a mouse does it mean we need to hang her till death,,
or if you cat steal a thing and take it away will you gona punish her...?
thats what i was on about ,, we human being are acountable for ourself whereas animals are not ,
Peace be upon you.
as i said earlier
animals do have wills and desires, my cat comes and meows at me, as i said earlier (if i recall correctly), the Torah clearly shows that animals have nafs. a soul or self, desire etc. i believe this is us. if i did not mention it, please refer to the links i posted, and look up the occurances if you wish, InshaAllah
I however never said they are responsible for their actions.
what animals dont have is 'the trust' (3372), in my understanding.
383 Is it other than the system of God that they desire, when those in the heavens and the earth have submitted to Him voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.
384 Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."2218 Did you not see that to God yields what is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the trees and what moves, and many of the people, and many who have deserved the retribution. And whoever God disgraces, then none can honor him. God does what He pleases.
Cats, and other animals are submitting creatures, as i said, they do not have the trust, which i understand as responsibility for our actions, and to be caretakers on earth.
peace.
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Peace be upon you.
as i said earlier
animals do have wills and desires, my cat comes and meows at me, as i said earlier (if i recall correctly), the Torah clearly shows that animals have nafs. a soul or self, desire etc. i believe this is us. if i did not mention it, please refer to the links i posted, and look up the occurances if you wish, InshaAllah
I however never said they are responsible for their actions.
what animals dont have is 'the trust' (3372), in my understanding.
the name you can give is character/self/conscience/sense of right and wrong...
that make you differ from animal and human... animals dnt have it...
thats what i said actually but you are coming from the far side of moon , but i try to explain concepts in easy mode
if u want to add another word trust in it i dnt have any issue as my concept of briefing was same ...
peace
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Cats, and other animals are submitting creatures, as i said, they do not have the trust, which i understand as responsibility for our actions, and to be caretakers on earth.
how you will define trust is it not a power of decision , or freewill ... animals are creatures for specific purpose to serve humanity.. like so many other creatures .. plants are also living thing, they do have life force. they do scream ...
but human being is the owner of his character /personality that distinguish him from other creatures
other creatures dnt own anything ..
we own something hence we are responsible fo r that thing , due to that thing we will get punished or rewards.. whatever name yoou give its does not matter, its deeds that matter,peace
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how you will define trust is it not a power of decision , or freewill ... animals are creatures for specific purpose to serve humanity.. like so many other creatures .. plants are also living thing, they do have life force. they do scream ...
but human being is the owner of his character /personality that distinguish him from other creatures
other creatures dnt own anything ..
we own something hence we are responsible fo r that thing , due to that thing we will get punished or rewards.. whatever name yoou give its does not matter, its deeds that matter,peace
God bless youPeace, and may Gods blessings be with you.
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Salaam/Peace be upon you, Someone,
I can clearly see that "rooh" is specific to Humans (=38/72, ......),
and "nafs" is to Humans (=42/11, ......),but I still couldn't see where "nafs" is also to animals (=?)
Can you, please, give me one --or more-- example, in this regard?
I need to know it. I am doing a research about it.Thank you very much.
Remain in peace/salaam.Peace LastDay3,
Sorry for my late reply.
I think that I have seen nafs used for animals but I don't remember the verse. There are around 268 occurrences of the word nafs in alquran, I will try to go through them to find the related verse, unless I am wrong hypno
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Peace LastDay3,
Sorry for my late reply.
I think that I have seen nafs used for animals but I don't remember the verse. There are around 268 occurrences of the word nafs in alquran, I will try to go through them to find the related verse, unless I am wrong hypno
Salaam/Peace be upon you, Someone,
You MUST absolutely focus on it and remember that Verse, dear brother, if you are not mistaken about it tempt yeah tempt
Because I believe, this is a very Important inquiry that may change our whole perspective in some most fundamental Issues in this regard.So please, do not be in haste (=20/114)
Take your time and go through those 268 occurrences, (when/if you have enough time), one by one, and ponder on each of them --(at least a minute or so),
and then if you see anything that may clearly indicate that "nafs" is also used to refer to any living-being other than Humans, in QURAN TESTAMENT,
let us absolutely know it here.Whether you find such an indication, or not find any such indication anywhere in QURAN TESTAMENT,
may AL-LAH bless you, Greatly, in either case, for your righteous effort. (=35/29-30)May AL-LAH teach us and guide us to HIS Perfect Path. (=20/114)
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Salaam/Peace to All,
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1- O people, be aware of your LORD Who has created you as/of a single "nafs" (=i.e. single "soul/body" male kind)
and HE created thereof (=i.e. of exactly same physical/genetic material) "its mate" (=i.e. female kind),
and HE sent forth from two-of-them (=i.e. male kind & female kind) many men and women; ..........(QURAN TESTAMENT 4/1)
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35- And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the Garden (on Earth), and eat from it bountifully as you both wish,
but do not come near this tree, else you will be of those unjust-ones."36- But the satan caused them to slip from it, and he brought them out from what they were in, and We said
"Descend (=Adam and his Wife, together with all of those first Human population already living together with them therein)
as some of you enemies/rivals to some;
and on the Earth (outside of that Garden above) you will have residence and provisions until the appointed time."37- Adam then received Words from his LORD (=as a Prophet/Messenger of HIM to those first Human population already living together with them
again therein), so HE forgave him; (for) certainly, HE (Alone) is the Forgiver, the Merciful.38- We said "Descend from it, all of you (=Adam and his Wife, together with all of those first Human population already living together with them
again therein);so when the Guidance comes from ME, then whoever follows MY Guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
(QURAN TESTAMENT 2/35-3
*We can see it, in detail, here
QURAN TESTAMENT
2/35-38 & 4/1http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_id165.html
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Salaam/Peace to All,
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1- O people, be aware of your LORD Who has created you as/of a single "nafs" (=i.e. single "soul/body" male kind)
and HE created thereof (=i.e. of exactly same physical/genetic material) "its mate" (=i.e. female kind),
and HE sent forth from two-of-them (=i.e. male kind & female kind) many men and women; ..........(QURAN TESTAMENT 4/1)
How do you make a male of the single nafs? It i unwarranted by the text.
Salaam