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Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen

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    virginia
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    Do you think BELIEVERS care what X or Y has as a sexual preference ?

    Believers know that, sexual or intimate acts should be made privately. First. Be it homosexuals or heterosexuals. Which is not the case in the societies where LGBT movement is a trend.

    Second of all, you cannot project God's Laws on a perverted nudity-driven society.

    Absolutely agreed, and when I say homosexual i don't mean gay parade!

    Third of all, believers are too busy to care what you do in your spare time.

    and finally, true believers support the Truth from God;

    yes

    If in my opinion the Truth from God says homosexuality is a lewdness then it is, and that is my opinion, even if today's trend is about supporting homosexuality = "open-minded".

    Agreed we disagree peace

    Just don't try to paint those who oppose your opinions as "close-minded" or "homophobic", that is freaking ridiculous and hypocrite.

    I am really sorry if you thought such a thing, it was not my intention at all, and I apologize.

    I was just saying that homosexuality is not an option, so I don't think the Merciful would create human beings pre condemned to suffering and making others suffer.

    I insist I am not talking about gay parade and all that lately "being gay is cool" thing in modern societies. Licentciousness is wrong in all things, not only that.

    No one is judging no one, if you ask me " Is Homosexuality ok" ? I'll replie "No". And that alone hurts many lost souls.

    I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".

    That is why I said since it is not clear, let's just be cool and be understanding and try the best of ourselves and bless everybody who does good and believes no matter whom he /she loves and sleeps with because it is not our business peace

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      Cerberus
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      I am sorry but telling someone that he is a sin just being him/her self sounded to me like "judging".

      It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.

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        virginia
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        It doesn't concern us, but we still hold an opinion, whether we are supporting or not. And that also doesn't concern anyone, as long as we're not being discriminatory..."homophobic" people are discriminatory.

        God does not like discrimination nope

        sun

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          HP_TECH
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          Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
          and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

          Remain patient and keep reading Quran

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            Bender
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            Very tough week ahead of me, but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
            and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

            Remain patient and keep reading Quran

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              yellowdog8272
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              Just as a side note... a bit off-topic...
              I find it fascinating that people get more emotionally upset from homosexuality than with all the killing, corruption and injustice going on. People will spit on homosexuals who do not disturb anyone, but they have no issues letting their children play GTA where you systematically run over people with your car, or any other shooting games or movies where murder is glorified.

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                virginia
                wrote on last edited by
                #101

                but I will God willing demonstrate to you what you overlook much of the Quran in regards to this topic
                and those of you who fear people more than you fear Allah will have no excuse after that... jedi

                Remain patient and keep reading Quran

                wow

                yay

                peace

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  i have a question from all who are supporting same sex relationship...

                  why did not God give a clear commandment so that they legally live sex with eachother ... like male female relation ..

                  i mean if you approach a women without wedlock it consider as fahisha..
                  if you approach a man without wedlock what are the requirement to make it halal? rotfl

                  confused

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                    huruf
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                    So what is wedlock?

                    New human beings are born of the flesh relation between a female and a male not of any wedlock magic.

                    Salaam

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      So what is wedlock?

                      hmm good question , but i think its very difficult to answer what is wedding , you may contact event management they will provide you information what is wedlock.. as i feel they deal weddings everyday

                      New human beings are born of the flesh relation between a female and a male not of any wedlock magic.

                      deatail it i m afraid i did not understand properly...

                      what i understand you try to say now a days due to magic new human beings born without wedlock hahaha

                      well its an old magic not new

                      unfortunately this thing you cannot apply to same sex with or without wedlock,,, hmm or may be if you know any magic like this let me know it will b a nice information for knowledge gaining

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                        huruf
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                        God's wedlock is precisely that flesh relation, wedlock as distinct from fleshrelation is a human fabrication which has given unhonourable humans a way out of the mithaq ghalith that is mentioned in the Qur'an regarding that relationship. Wedlock is that or is nothing, because if you do not take the flesh relation as the mithaq ghalith then you are saying in fact that wedlock between any two persons no matter the sex is perfectly possible, you are shooting your own foot.

                        Hole is hte human relation between male and female because that is the source of new life, if not, it is nothing, and anything can be invented, wedlock, wedding, or whatever social entertainmen or legal paper but no social act and no paper will give birth to a new being.

                        Salaam

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Nothing productive comes out of a same sex marriage. There will be no reproduction.

                          One has a such marriage to stimulate the sensuality.

                          Be well
                          Amenuel

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                            huruf
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                            #107

                            Intentions are not the question, that is between God and each person, but if we are talking about things like wedlock and rights and this or that, then we should be at least be objective and not go by presumed intentions of which we may know nothing.

                            Salaam

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                              Bender
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                              #108

                              Nothing productive comes out of a same sex marriage. There will be no reproduction.

                              One has a such marriage to stimulate the sensuality.

                              Be well
                              Amenuel

                              Most heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.

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                                Man_of_Faith
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                                Most heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.

                                That was not my point here, but it is true.

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                                  HP_TECH
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                                  Most heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.

                                  Pull out those statistics right now?
                                  Show us what research you have done that led you to this conclusion.
                                  Link the papers and studies conducted that gathered sufficient data to prove that is the case.

                                  Now days a majority of people have sex before marriage...https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/
                                  Therefore, sensuality is not the reason for marriage...

                                  Nice try guy...

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                                    Bender
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                                    #111

                                    Pull out those statistics right now?

                                    Or else? &

                                    Show us what research you have done that led you to this conclusion.
                                    Link the papers and studies conducted that gathered sufficient data to prove that is the case.

                                    Show me the money first!

                                    Now days a majority of people have sex before marriage...https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/
                                    Therefore, sensuality is not the reason for marriage...

                                    RED Therefore ;D

                                    Nice try guy...

                                    Thank you )
                                    I am sure you will choose your eventually partner with who you want to marry without feeling anything for her, it's pure for producing children.*

                                    • I'm assuming you're a hetero
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                                      A_Submitter
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                                      Salam,

                                      I somewhat agree with what HP TECH says, to an extent

                                      The fornicators could easily commit adultery when they want, so sexual intercourse isn't the main factor for getting married P

                                      Lets not forget that it also depends on region. In some areas, people can't wait to get married, they are extremely excited.

                                      Salam

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                                        HP_TECH
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                                        Or else? &
                                        Show me the money first!
                                        RED Therefore ;D
                                        Thank you
                                        I am sure you will choose your eventually partner with who you want to marry without feeling anything for her, it's pure for producing children.*

                                        • I'm assuming you're a hetero

                                        Come on! Look at you Bender... you don't even have the decency to humble yourself when you're obviously wrong...
                                        Everything is a big joke, sarcasm left and right...

                                        Don't be a clown! The way you are speaking you are essentially assuming that the reason for marriage is a two way street either based on sensuality/attraction or reproducing children!

                                        Perhaps, you deliberately disregard the need for affection/feelings, deep emotional connections, compatibility, emotional and financial stability (in some cases in some cultures), social statement (maturity, accomplishment, status), to strengthen "political"/social relations.

                                        By the way affection/love/deep emotional connections between a man and a woman is granted as a Sign by Allah!
                                        I fear Allah and I see and appreciate HIs Signs, while you and your lot make mockery of them

                                        Quran 3021
                                        And among His Signs (is) that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you love and mercy. Indeed, in that surely (are) Signs for a people who reflect.

                                        Quran 2574
                                        And those who say, "Our Lord! Grant to us from our spouses and our offspring comfort (to) our eyes, and make us for the righteous a leader."

                                        By your Lord, give me until the weekend and if He so wills I will expose to you the ingratitude of your hearts and ignorance in your minds

                                        It's because you want to push for perversion that your rationale is equally perverted and bereft of reason

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                                          Bender
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                                          #114

                                          Come on! Look at you Bender... you don't even have the decency to humble yourself when you're obviously wrong...
                                          Everything is a big joke, sarcasm left and right...

                                          Don't be a clown! The way you are speaking you are essentially assuming that the reason for marriage is a two way street either based on sensuality/attraction or reproducing children!

                                          Perhaps, you deliberately disregard the need for affection/feelings, deep emotional connections, compatibility, emotional and financial stability (in some cases in some cultures), social statement (maturity, accomplishment, status), to strengthen "political"/social relations.

                                          The word sensuality was chosen wrong by me, just a copy-paste from MoF's comment, a better word is "feelings".
                                          I will humble and correct myself The main reason people (no matter what sexual preference one has) marry or any kind of bond is because they want to be together because they have feelings for each other and not because they want childeren together.
                                          Of course I am talking only about people who have a choice.

                                          And I am not a clown but a drunken master, see my avatar >(

                                          By the way affection/love/deep emotional connections between a man and a woman is granted as a Sign by Allah!
                                          I fear Allah and I see and appreciate HIs Signs, while you and your lot make mockery of them

                                          RED Where? Can you quote me please so I can correct myself.

                                          Quran 3021
                                          And among His Signs (is) that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you love and mercy. Indeed, in that surely (are) Signs for a people who reflect.

                                          Quran 2574
                                          And those who say, "Our Lord! Grant to us from our spouses and our offspring comfort (to) our eyes, and make us for the righteous a leader."

                                          By your Lord, give me until the weekend and if He so wills I will expose to you the ingratitude of your hearts and ignorance in your minds

                                          It's because you want to push for perversion that your rationale is equally perverted and bereft of reason

                                          Please have mercy on me, don't expose my perverse nature in front of everyone.

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