Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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The sectarian interpretation of Quran says the community did commit highway robbery and other things. Perhaps they sex tortured their victims. Who knows?
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The sectarian interpretation of Quran says the community did commit highway robbery and other things. Perhaps they sex tortured their victims. Who knows?
Based on the description, it could be....
Robbery and rape of foreigner, tourist and wayfarer..In such case, whether they're homo or hetero doesn't really matter...
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Based on the description, it could be....
Robbery and rape of foreigner, tourist and wayfarer..In such case, whether they're homo or hetero doesn't really matter...
One would expect highway robbery to be something to be punished for since it affects someone else. Homosexual sex is usually between people who mutually agree on the act and does thus not damage anyone physically unwilling.
However in the case of Lut they seem to have raped the foreigners which is the actual crime in that case. They sought out Lut's guests.
Be well
Amenuel -
The history behind prophet Lot's people is spoken of in Quran Al-Kareem
in such concise terms that understanding the verses requires an expansive
view. The Quran states that basically the people of Lot were a criminal
society and culture and were doing things like rape of men which was
never practiced as a societal norm before them.29/29 (interesting verse and chapter no.)
What! you approach males and commit robbery on the highway,
and you commit evil deeds in your assemblies? But nothing was the
answer of his people except that they said Bring on us Allah's punishment,
if you are one of the truthful.That whole culture had to go, be destroyed the people of Lot were irredeemable.
peace
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Salam,
I have skimmed through these posts and find it ridiculous that people would think to promote "fahsha" while serving God alone!
You cannot have sex outside wedlock (consentiual or not) and wedlock can only be between a man a woman.
Pleas people stop spreading Satanic behavior falsely under the guise of Islam...
728 And if they commit immorality, they say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order immorality! Do you say about God what you do not know?"
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Salam,
I have skimmed through these posts and find it ridiculous that people would think to promote "fahsha" while serving God alone!
You cannot have sex outside wedlock (consentiual or not) and wedlock can only be between a man a woman.
Pleas people stop spreading Satanic behavior falsely under the guise of Islam...
728 And if they commit immorality, they say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order immorality! Do you say about God what you do not know?"
How, exactly, does quoting the Qur'an in context promote immorality? hmm Please be specific about "spreading Satanic behavior." PM if you like.
2141 That is a nation that has passed away; to them is what they have earned, and to you is what you have earned; and you will not be asked regarding what they did.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are legislative verses-they are the Mother of the Book-and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except GOD, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
It isn't possible to "catch homosexuality" and it isn't something that spreads. While you no doubt have reasons for feeling the way that you do, why not post your reasoning and evidences? ISA truth will prevail. When discussed in a serious manner, human relations are a reasonable topic.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salam,
I have skimmed through these posts and find it ridiculous that people would think to promote "fahsha" while serving God alone!
You cannot have sex outside wedlock (consentiual or not) and wedlock can only be between a man a woman.
Pleas people stop spreading Satanic behavior falsely under the guise of Islam...
728 And if they commit immorality, they say "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say "God does not order immorality! Do you say about God what you do not know?"
peace AS,
Does a person who fears God claim something is forbidden when it is not?
A meet-up of LGBTQI people is not forbidden, and simply being LGBTQI is not a crime as per Quran, e.g.
http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-homosexuality.htmJust incase you said that my words are ridiculous. If "a crime" is dhulm, then being a weirdo like that is a crime for sure.
So, you're (as forum admins) supporting these weirdoes, but that's your case. I can just warn whenever I have some knowledge and wisdom to do so, and I can hope that you'll change and ask for forgiveness.
Btw, I won't read Wakas' informations about "misconceptions about islam", because we should know what is Islam to talk about this topic.Allah's bless and selam.
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However in the case of Lut they seem to have raped the foreigners which is the actual crime in that case. They sought out Lut's guests.
Like I said, raping anyone is a vice, whether it's hetero or homo doesn't matter...
And that includes 'fellow animal'....We don't know what truly happened in Sodom, the information is incomplete..
But in any case, Homosexuality appears on average between 3 to 5% of total human population... that's the current statistics..
Heterosexuality is the majority between, 97 to 95% of total human population..It is very very rare, infact it never happened to known history to find a population where homosexuality is the majority.. Due to the disadvantageous of such trait.. biologically.. Even with today technology of artificial insemination, the majority of children born from homosexual parent are born heterosexual...
Thus, if it's true that the majority of Sodom population are "homosexual" it's a strange and very very rare occurrence...
I truly believe that homo or heterosexual is given / born condition...
No homosexual can be 'converted' / 'turned' into heterosexual..
The 'conservative' has tried hard to disprove the above case, through various methods, therapy and even hypnotism.. as of now no strong evidence that it works..It works vice versa, no heterosexual can be 'converted' / 'turned' into homosexual...
I agree as I myself a heterosexual, and I don't believe that I can go to a treatment or even hypnotized to become homosexual..Unless it can be proven that homo or hetero sexual is NOT a given condition... (through proven method that homo can be turned hetero or hetero to homo) any criminalisation of such trait is NOT valid.
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Like I said, raping anyone is a vice, whether it's hetero or homo doesn't matter...
And that includes 'fellow animal'....We don't know what truly happened in Sodom, the information is incomplete..
But in any case, Homosexuality appears on average between 3 to 5% of total human population... that's the current statistics..
Heterosexuality is the majority between, 97 to 95% of total human population..It is very very rare, infact it never happened to known history to find a population where homosexuality is the majority.. Due to the disadvantageous of such trait.. biologically.. Even with today technology of artificial insemination, the majority of children born from homosexual parent are born heterosexual...
Thus, if it's true that the majority of Sodom population are "homosexual" it's a strange and very very rare occurrence...
I truly believe that homo or heterosexual is given / born condition...
No homosexual can be 'converted' / 'turned' into heterosexual..
The 'conservative' has tried hard to disprove the above case, through various methods, therapy and even hypnotism.. as of now no strong evidence that it works..It works vice versa, no heterosexual can be 'converted' / 'turned' into homosexual...
I agree as I myself a heterosexual, and I don't believe that I can go to a treatment or even hypnotized to become homosexual..Unless it can be proven that homo or hetero sexual is NOT a given condition... (through proven method that homo can be turned hetero or hetero to homo) any criminalisation of such trait is NOT valid.
Your logic is sound, brother Jafar. The probability that the population was homosexually obsessed like historical accounts claim is considerably low.
(I like talking about probability)
Be well
Amenuel -
interestingly the slang word people used for homo is something like abuse...
and it considered as a shameful act allover the world , apart from some recent independent countries where this law is passed.. even in these countries a hidden hate from general public i still feel regarding the people who are involved in this act...
most of the times satan successful in leading people on wrong path and they think they are doing right....
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My comments in red.
brother peace.
if you can carefully look the whole verse with a neutral mind then i dnt think you will color the paint of your thinking in all this..
instead of focusing on immorality you are focussing on surpassed bravo
are you sure , you are paying full attention while reading the verses..?
Remember that homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex. Homosexual acts are different from an attraction. A man that marries a woman and never undertakes a homosexual act in his life is still a homosexual if attracted to other men.
so basically if a person did not rob anything in his whole life , is it fair to call him robber?
And what is marriage? A license? A contract? Were there not marriages before writing? It could be argued that the sexual act is marriage.
everybody know what marriage is , what are its requirements and what purpose is to getting married with somebody..
its not a lisence of having sex if you clearly read the verses... the marriage is a relationship between a pair for spending life journey together .. a pair is always male and female ... a pair of two right hand gloves does not make it pair but , u need a left and right hand glove both... so two man or two women is not a pair according to your logic...
Certainly, approaching others out of lust is not okay
exactly you are right,
so what is the purpose of homosexuality infront of you... ? is it not full of lust?
Sex with animals is a straw man argument, the discussion is about about homosexuality and homosexual acts. Please start another thread if you seriously want to talk about bestiality.
brother i just give an example , its you who bring mosqueto sex and stuff inside the thread... and asking me to open a thread , lol
and obviously if mosqueeto is homsexul it does not mean homosexuality is also allowed to humans.
on other words dnt you think is there is any difference between animals and humans?
Please very carefully consider before saying that something is not allowed.
ALLAH knows best.
yeh inshAllah i m always careful my brother , same advise to you.. very carefully read what Allah say in the verses and then ponder about it...
and definately Allah knows best..
peace
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I fully express my distaste for the perversion brought forth by the user Abdul-Hadi.
You are not a sincere student. Shame on you.
You did not address or cite all the verses pertaining this topic. You initially only cited what was in support of your bias. Following your own desire, you only addressed them after someone else already cited them. Shame on you.
You keep talking about homosexuals, although the Quran never used that term.
I see right through you. Weak is your effort and weak is your heart. Shame on you.
What Quranic term translates to homosexual?
I'll wait for your response....
None then why do you, use this term? Because you want to distort the understanding.
Fine define homosexuals if you will, Allah speaks of men approaching men so your definitions and assumptions are utterly irrelevant. Shame on you.Quran speaks of men approaching men with lust (that is an act not merely a desire or mental condition) it is the approaching that is the transgression.
Those who claim that it was just rape are equally as bereft of knowledge
Where in Quran do you read that? Stop inventing lies
Quran is fully detailed, do you have to do gymnastics and extrapolate distorted meaning from where there is none?
Allah perfected The Book He is All-Able to communicate to you if rape was the issue, in fact Allah in His Book does speak of women being forced into sexual acts.
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The companions of Lut are clearly described to be approaching the men INSTEAD of the women.
This describes preference not rape.They are said to be committing excesses. There is no other thing they are accused of doing in these verses except for approaching men instead of women.
Shame on you.
Your perversion of the understanding should be sufficient enough for your ban in this forum and if a I weren't busy studying for my exam I would bullet point every ridiculous comment you have made in your indeed satanic rambling
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Look up the definition of homosexual. Homosexuality has to do with inclination. Anyone who grasps this indisputable fact will understand that nobody can be condemned for an unacted upon inclination, even if homosexual acts can be proven to be against the deen. Nobody has been able to satisfactorily prove that homosexual acts ~are~ against the deen, and cling to bias and tradition--what they found their ancestors doing. There are so many ayahs downcrying following ancestors that I won't bother to post them.
It is indeed true that just because mosquitoes engage in homosexual acts that mosquitoes are not a reason to justify homosexual acts among humans. However, we are commanded to observe and consider creation, and homosexuality is part of creation--and very very widespread (not just mosquitoes, but ALL known sexually reproducing species).
226 GOD does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say "What does GOD intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.
3190 In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference between the night and the day, are signs for those who possess intelligence.
3191 Those who remember GOD while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth "Our Lord you have not created this without purpose, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire!"I wonder at the people who attack creation because it is not in their personal likes. Homosexual acts are prevalent throughout creation--do you second guess the Almighty? Think before you call an aspect of creation perverse or disgusting.
If this thread is too frank for a person's taste, nobody is forced to read it and it is not needlessly explicit. The topic is clear. The discussion is sometimes less so, with name calling and facile posts in the lines of "its icky so it isn't allowed" or "its this way because I say so." Bring your evidences. This is supposed to be free-minds, not small-minds. For those that honestly engage in discussion, this was not intended towards ya'll; otherwise, if the shoe fits, wear it!
4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.
780-81 describes an ACTION and not just an inclination. Does anyone deny that it describes a LUSTFUL action?
For those who engage in personal attacks and bad manners with deliberation, know that it is totally against the deen, regardless of your motives.
If you had been created homosexual, how would you contend with the bias, hatred, and persecution? How would you wish to be treated? ALLAH has created homosexual humans, and they are largely being treated unjustly, even among those who should know better.
For those who persist in being bad to other humans, enjoy this life. ISA, you will come to know--in one world or the next.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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killing is also a part of creation...
all animals kills eachother for feeding themselves..
humans also engagge in killing from very start of life...robbery is also a part of creation
rape , invasion, stealing, dishonesty all are the part of creation...
whats about a serial killer, is it a fault of God if he is mentally sick and start doing killing people just for the sake of fun..?
when u asked him , he will say its in my nature..
same go with serial rapist, serial thief, and so on..
the reference you are giving is just showing how weak is your claim..
are you sure the mosquito verse is giving hint to humankind that homosexulity is allowed? common brother be loyal with yourself atleast...
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Look up the definition of homosexual. Homosexuality has to do with inclination. Anyone who grasps this indisputable fact will understand that nobody can be condemned for an unacted upon inclination, even if homosexual acts can be proven to be against the deen. Nobody has been able to satisfactorily prove that homosexual acts ~are~ against the deen, and cling to bias and tradition--what they found their ancestors doing. There are so many ayahs downcrying following ancestors that I won't bother to post them.
It is indeed true that just because mosquitoes engage in homosexual acts that mosquitoes are not a reason to justify homosexual acts among humans. However, we are commanded to observe and consider creation, and homosexuality is part of creation--and very very widespread (not just mosquitoes, but ALL known sexually reproducing species).
226 GOD does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say "What does GOD intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.
3190 In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference between the night and the day, are signs for those who possess intelligence.
3191 Those who remember GOD while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth "Our Lord you have not created this without purpose, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire!"I wonder at the people who attack creation because it is not in their personal likes. Homosexual acts are prevalent throughout creation--do you second guess the Almighty? Think before you call an aspect of creation perverse or disgusting.
If this thread is too frank for a person's taste, nobody is forced to read it and it is not needlessly explicit. The topic is clear. The discussion is sometimes less so, with name calling and facile posts in the lines of "its icky so it isn't allowed" or "its this way because I say so." Bring your evidences. This is supposed to be free-minds, not small-minds. For those that honestly engage in discussion, this was not intended towards ya'll; otherwise, if the shoe fits, wear it!
4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.
780-81 describes an ACTION and not just an inclination. Does anyone deny that it describes a LUSTFUL action?
For those who engage in personal attacks and bad manners with deliberation, know that it is totally against the deen, regardless of your motives.
If you had been created homosexual, how would you contend with the bias, hatred, and persecution? How would you wish to be treated? ALLAH has created homosexual humans, and they are largely being treated unjustly, even among those who should know better.
For those who persist in being bad to other humans, enjoy this life. ISA, you will come to know--in one world or the next.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
If you want to be a homo or trans stop bothering people about it or trying to justify it with religion. Do your $h! T in private and stop being so annoying.
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if you want to learn about the current azab of homsexuality then you will amazed to find out the curse of AIDS first generated in gays...
and interestingly the cure is not discovered yet due to the fact that scientist are unable to find the antivirus that kill the virus of aids... is it not a clear hint from God...
but make sure dnt try justify wishful thinking under the cover of religion you cannot prove it for sure..
may God guide you to the right path..
although its not my concern to ask a personal question but i feel you are enggage in this curse if i am not wrong..
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Greetings and Peace, all group
My comments in red.
if you want to learn about the current azab of homsexuality then you will amazed to find out the curse of AIDS first generated in gays...
I would indeed be amazed...if it were true! AIDS isn't a curse, but a disease caused by HIV. It didn't generate in homosexuals, the source has been found to be chimpanzees; harvesting bush meat likely caused the initial infection. Promiscuity, contaminated blood transfusions, and shared hypodermic needles among IV drug users tend to be primary causes of spreading HIV. One of the reasons why homosexuals are sometimes promiscuous is that society tends to reject them and makes it harder for them to have a monogamous relationship.
http//www.theaidsinstitute.org/node/259
It is true that gay men are more likely to be HIV positive than straight men, in fact this is true of several diseases. It is also true that vast numbers of HIV positive people are heterosexual. While we're on the subject of truth, let me share another truth a scientific study found that homosexual men had FEWER INFECTIONS of nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) (14.63% vs. 36.40%, p < 0.001), herpes genitalis (0.93% vs. 3.65%, p < 0.001), pediculosis pubis (4.30% vs. 5.35%, p < 0.005), scabies (0.42% vs. 0.76%, p < 0.02), and genital warts (1.68% vs. 6.69%, p < 0.001) than heterosexual men.
https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6893897
and interestingly the cure is not discovered yet due to the fact that scientist are unable to find the antivirus that kill the virus of aids... is it not a clear hint from God...
Modern medicine has found ways to fight the virus to a standstill, and may in time ISA cure the disease. Unless the creation of a cure, ISA, is likewise a "hint" from the Almighty, this argument doesn't seem to have much merit.
but make sure dnt try justify wishful thinking under the cover of religion you cannot prove it for sure..
Wishful thinking would be proclaiming something prohibited that is not. If it isn't prohibited, it is allowed.
may God guide you to the right path..
although its not my concern to ask a personal question but i feel you are enggage in this curse if i am not wrong..
A curse? Where did this "curse" come from? )
The veracity of my statements, most of which are direct quotes from the Qur'an or facts derived from observing creation, are unchanged by my real or perceived sexuality.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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AIDS part was just an example.. indicating medically having a relation with same sex is dangerous...
When cases of AIDS started to emerge in the USA the majority of cases were among men who have sex with men (homosexuals), haemophiliacs and heroin users. Adding Haitians to this list made the 'Four-H Club' of groups at high risk of AIDS
http//www.avert.org/professionals/history-hiv-aids/origin
smoking is also injurious to health but people still use it... but quran did not forbid smoking isnt it?
one more link
The widely accepted theory is that HIV/AIDS originated in a monkey or chimpanzee virus that "jumped species" in Africa. However, it is clear that the first AIDS cases were recorded in gay men in Manhattan in 1979
http//www.rense.com/general68/gayex.htm
