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Allah - Common Noun?

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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    When Grammar itself was invented? If it came after The Quran Divine revelation then it has no authority on the language Allah/God (SWTAY)

    Meant to say the language Allah/God (SWTAY) is using.

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      When Grammar itself was invented? If it came after The Quran Divine revelation then it has no authority on the language Allah/God (SWTAY)

      Grammar is inherent to language. Every language has grammar, just like any material thing has a structure. Gramar is not any more invented than language. Automatically if there language there is grammar, because the language is formed with a structure, otherwise we would not be able to communicate. But the constructing of any particular language may follow conventions, not inventions but conventions. Gender is one such convention. s aside from conventions, but exists in those things that are gendered. When applied to things that are not gendered in themselves, it is a convention. We agree or tacitle accept that a encil will hav e this or that gender, that virtues will have this or that gender, etc. etc. Just also like the days of the week are a convention. No essential difference between one day or another, just a convention for convenience and order. Language itself is a convention.

      So no need to look for an alibi in the grammar of the Qur'an, where, by the way the sun is also feminine.

      Salaam

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        Noon_waalqalami
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        I can see that you have taught yourself grammaticaly?

        e.g. deconstruct/parse longest word in Arabic language/Qur'an

        1522 fa-asqaynkumhu/so gave drink we you (pl.) it

        http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=33656

        https//s7.postimg.org/jq3wtw46j/ch15v7-25.jpg

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          The_Sardar
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          e.g. deconstruct/parse longest word in Arabic language/Qur'an

          1522 fa-asqaynkumhu/so gave drink we you (pl.) it

          http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=33656

          https//s7.postimg.org/jq3wtw46j/ch15v7-25.jpg

          Um...you sadly lost me.

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            Um...you sadly lost me.

            you asked; gave example of longest word (its grammatical components).

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            • The_SardarT Offline
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              The_Sardar
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              you asked; gave example of longest word (its grammatical components).

              Actually i said this

              Could you also give me some more? I am interested in this common noun understanding of Allah.

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              • The_SardarT Offline
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                The_Sardar
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                There is one i forgot to show is that another main argument is the word Allah is a contraction of AL & ILAH. What do you say this Noon? Could you gives a detailed explanation dear brother of Mankind?

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                  And before you respond dear brother i must let you know that my knowlegde in the arabic language is very poor.

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                    Noon_waalqalami
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                    There is one i forgot to show is that another main argument is the word Allah is a contraction of AL & ILAH. What do you say this Noon? Could you gives a detailed explanation dear brother of Mankind?

                    peace, already gave examples common nouns

                    5319 have so seen you al-lata wal-uza
                    5320 wamanata the third (f) the other
                    5323 not it is except names named ye them

                    whereas definition the one and only deity is clear

                    32 the god not deity except he the alive the sustainer

                    63 and he the god in the heavens and in the land knoweth secret yours and public yours and knoweth what thou earning

                    5924 he the god the creator the inventor the fashioner to him the names the beautiful glorify to him what in the heavens and the land and he the mighty the wise

                    1121 say he the god one
                    1122 the god the eternal
                    1123 not begets and not begotten
                    1124 and not beeth to him equal of one/anyone

                    https//digilib.bbaw.de/digitallibrary/servlet/Scaler?fn=/silo10/Koran/SayyidaZainab/112-001a&dw=800

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                      whereas definition the one and only deity is clear

                      There are these verses that support that

                      Wahuwa allathee fee alssama-iilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemualAAaleemu
                      4384 He is the One who is a god in the heaven and a god on earth. He is the Wise, the Knowledgeable.

                      Qul innama yooha ilayya annamailahukum ilahun wahidun fahal antummuslimoona
                      21108 Say"It is inspired to me that your god is but One god, so will you submit to Him?"

                      Innama ilahukumu Allahuallathee la ilaha illa huwa wasiAAakulla shay-in AAilman
                      2098 Your god is God; whom there is no god but He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

                      Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
                      1651 And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."

                      Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoona
                      619 Say "Which is the greatest testimony?" Say "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say "I do not bear witness!" Say "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"
                      4171
                      Ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahiilla alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesaibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqahaila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahiwarusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahookhayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidunsubhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahiwakeelan
                      O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of God and the fulfillment of His word to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth; and God is enough as a Caretaker.
                      1452
                      Hatha balaghun lilnnasiwaliyuntharoo bihi waliyaAAlamoo annama huwa ilahunwahidun waliyaththakkara oloo al-albabi
                      This is a proclamation for the people and so that they are warned with it, and so that they know that there is but One god, and so that those who possess intelligence will remember.

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                        You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran. )

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                          The_Sardar
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                          You must have high interest on ancient manuscripts of Al-Quran.

                          Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

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                            Tell me dear brother Noon, when the manuscript of Birmingham was discovered, how did it effect your research of Al-Quran?

                            peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

                            likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

                            https//s7.postimg.org/hnubyng97/Birmingham_Quran_ch19v91-ch20v13.jpg

                            likewise with Quran Ma VI 165 in T?bingen University Library
                            http//idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

                            https//s10.postimg.org/82uouwhcp/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch19v97-ch20v16.jpg

                            likewise Quran in Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Wetzstein II 1913 Ahlwardt 305
                            http//digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN618539204&PHYSID=PHYS_0005&DMDID=&view=overview-tiles

                            https//s10.postimg.org/4pmg8m3bt/Ahlwardt_305_ch20v0-22.jpg

                            https//s10.postimg.org/yqh3dqq2x/Ahlwardt_305_ch67v25-ch68v0-21.jpg

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                            • The_SardarT Offline
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                              The_Sardar
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                              peace sardar, it's oldest dated confirms initials not counted as separate verses.

                              likewise confirmation that the Quran was preserved by the pen not by hearsay.

                              That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

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                                Noon_waalqalami
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                                That is so true. There is are few verses that says Al-Quran is preserved by honorable people but i don't remember the verses? Could you help me out?

                                http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

                                8011 nay indeed it reminder
                                8012 so who wills heeds it
                                8013 in scrolls honorable
                                8014 exalted pure
                                8015 by hands scribes
                                8016 noble dutiful

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                                  The_Sardar
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                                  http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

                                  8011 nay indeed it reminder
                                  8012 so who wills heeds it
                                  8013 in scrolls honorable
                                  8014 exalted pure
                                  8015 by hands scribes
                                  8016 noble dutiful

                                  Thank you so much Noon.

                                  I have two last questions

                                  1 Have you encountered some people saying that the word God is a pagan word or connected to female gentalia? (They use the bible if i recall correctly)

                                  2 What is your research on Al-Akhirat? (The Hereafter/Afterlife)

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                                    http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/80/vers/15?handschrift=56

                                    The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

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                                      The_Sardar
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                                      Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

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                                        Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                                        https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

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                                          Salam Noon sorry if i am disturbing you but what do you think of this article?

                                          https//www.linkedin.com/pulse/allah-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81-falsely-derived-from-root-word-idol-deities-dr-kashif-khan/?trk=mp-reader-card

                                          ANSWER

                                          Your first Question ?The word ?allah? is not a proper noun? It is al=the, lah=god. True or false? ?

                                          It is true that the word Allah is not a proper noun to mean a personal name of God, but a title of God. More correctly Allah is the title of God in Arabic language.

                                          peace, he should've stopped there instead of long rant which btw idiotic posting on LinkedIn.

                                          Thank you so much Noon.

                                          I have two last questions

                                          you're welcome!

                                          1. stay away and not propagate bible-thumper nonsense
                                          2. afterlife is analogous to this life; need to wait and see

                                          701 ask questioner in punishment befalls
                                          702 for the rejecters not is for it any preventer
                                          703 from the god owner the stairways
                                          704 they ascend the angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanat
                                          705 so patience patience of beautiful of
                                          706 indeed they see it distant of
                                          707 and we see it near of

                                          The link is in german. Do you have a english version?

                                          no.

                                          Brother Noon are you a native arabic speaker?

                                          no (i know little) there are 100 million words lol
                                          she has clear voice learn < 30 minutes laugh
                                          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0psf0FHhf8

                                          likewise there are words in Qur'an e.g. kalala which all native speakers are clueless.

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