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Allah is ENERGY

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    Then give everyone a detailed explanation of the verse 1143 which say ILAH

    Allah (A)

    A = B
    B = C
    C = D
    D = A

    1141 and 1142 defines the word ILAH/GOD in verse 1143

    • 1141 Say, "I seek refuge in (the) Lord (of) mankind,

    • 1142 (The) King (of) mankind,

    • 1143 (The) God (of) mankind

    (The) Lord (of) mankind = (The) God (of) mankind

    Therefore

    Allah (A) = God (B)
    God (B) = Lord (C)

    Accordingly, what is the definition for Lord (C)?

    • 12 All praises and thanks (be) to Allah, the Lord of the universe

    • 13 The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

    • 14 (The) King (of the) Day (of the) Judgment.

    All validity / lawfulness praises and thanks (be) to Allah

    the Lord of the universe

    All validity / lawfulness be to Lord (C) of the Universe

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" The Sunnatullah (Way of Allah in Nature)

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" LordLaw of Nature

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" LordLaw of Cause & Effect

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" EcoLogic

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" Mathematical Pattern

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" ENERGY

    • = "All validity / lawfulness be to" EcoLogical JUSTICE / JURISPRUDENCE

    Therefore, the LordLaw (C) of the Universe

    = Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D)

    You are what you do, and Allah is what He do (Sunnatullah)

    Accordingly for the logical deduction of..

    A = B
    B = C
    C = D
    D = A

    • Allah (A) = God (B)

    • God (B) = Lord (C)

    • Lord (C) = Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D)

    • Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / Energy (D) = Allah (A)

    Energy (D) = Allah (A)

    The word God in verse 1143 refer to "ENERGY" (Energy make certain the Sunnatullah, the LordLaw of Nature, EcoLogic)

    Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - (that) you desire? (3786)

    You will never encounter an alternative for Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature. You will never find an alteration in the Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature! (3543)

    Muslim
    = Make peace with Nature (Sunnatullah LordLaw, EcoLogical Jurisprudence, Ecological Justice, EcoLogic, DEEN / CAUSE & EFFECT)

    Kafir
    = Make enemy with Nature (Political LordLaw, Unnatural Jurisprudence, Forced Justice, Fallacies, RELIGION / DOGMA)

    1091 Say "O Kafirun (Unnatural),"
    1092 "I do not serve what you serve (Unnatural),"
    1093 "Nor do you serve what I serve (Natural),"
    1094 "Nor will I serve what you serve (Unnatural),"
    1095 "Nor will you serve what I serve (Natural),"

    1096 "To you is your system (Political Jurisprudence / Unnature / Forced Justice), and to me is mine (Ecological Jurisprudence / Nature / Natural Justice)."

    Why don't they research the (interpretations and translations of the) Quran? Don't they realize that if it(s interpretations and translations) was from someone other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature, they would find many discrepancies/unnatural/fallacious in it(s interpretations and translations). (482)

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      2013 If you consider the Fire to be as Energy in the verse then why Moses wanted to see the Energy (allah) while he has already seen the Fire (Energy)?

      It is the process of "REASONING"

      Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

      Next A or B...
      A has no beginning
      B has beginning...
      So B has come first and A never came and never end

      The capacity for doing work (Energy) cannot be created
      The capacity for doing work (Energy) cannot be destroyed

      The capacity for doing work (Energy) can be transformed (ie. Light upon Light = Transformation of Energy.

      When I have formed him and breathed/transformed My Ruh/Energy into him (Transformation of Energy), fall down in prostration in front of him! Then the angels prostrated all together, every one of them (1529-30)

      It is NOT SHIRK.
      UNLESS, against the Sunnatullah / Nature / EcoLogic ALONE

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        Nun. By the pen and what everyone writes (as Political Law Jurisprudence = FORCED JUSTICE)! By the grace/standard of proof of your LordLaw of Nature, you are not insane. You will certainly have a never-ending reward. And you are truly a man of outstanding character. Soon you and the pagans/political worshippers will see, which of you is mad. Surely your LordLaw of Nature alone proves best who has strayed from His Natural Way and who is rightly guided. So do not give in to the insanes. They wish you would compromise/to insanity so they would yield to you. (681-9)

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        The really hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; THEY ARE NORMAL ONLY IN RELATION TO A PROFOUNDLY ABNORMAL SOCIETY. THEIR PERFECT ADJUSTMENT TO THAT ABNORMAL SOCIETY IS A MEASURE OF THEIR MENTAL SICKNESS. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted, still cherish "the illusion of individuality," but in fact they have been to a great extent deindividualized. Their conformity is developing into something like uniformity. But "uniformity and freedom are incompatible. Uniformity and mental health are incompatible too .... Man is not made to be an automaton, and if he becomes one, the basis for mental health is destroyed." ~ Aldous Huxley

        1096 "To you is your system (Political Jurisprudence / Unnature / Forced Justice), and to me is mine (Ecological Jurisprudence / Nature / Natural Justice)."

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        As for those who are kafir it makes no difference to them whether you warn them (with the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy) or do not warn them (with the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy), they will not have iman (in the Sunnatullah / EcoLogic / Energy). (26)

        Kafir = Illogical / Religious / Dogma >> "it makes no difference to them"

        On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full (with Kafir / Illogical)? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)

        Those who have iman ( = no guesswork = proofs & evidences = pure) and do natural/ecological actions, how few they are! (3824)

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          imrankhawaja
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          whatever u r bringing its interesting to see your modern view on old traditions.

          history is showing us records of people who use to worship god/s
          the first of them were all related with energy.

          SUN god
          Moon God
          Fire God
          God of light
          God of thunder
          God of dark

          brother mahdi also have a god who i.e

          ENERGY god.

          although u are an advance person and u dun believe in rituals and worships hence like old people your are not worshipping energy. like they use to bow/kneel/prostrate the gods.

          many centuries ago when civilisation hetting birth religion , philosphy, science starting playing together side by side.

          started from the gods of nature like sirus humanity travel towards one God concept.

          the birth of monothiesm as well as birth of understanding cosmos and philophies.

          with the end of seventh century it was already much awareness amd they started joining together by politics/wars/trade/relationships/RELIGION ( how everything is connected ) its amazing.

          but now look people dunt worship their gods much.

          energy is getting back on them everybody have a God nowadays we call it ?Cell phone?

          we cant live without it
          we cant eat without seeing it.
          we worship/service/sala our phone more than the 50 prays of night journey in a day.
          we amazed and immersed in our mobile more than samree Gold calf

          this mobile is giving information about all gods ancient/greek/energy gods/monthiests gods etc so who is the bigger God ?

          mobile ? but we dnt have to prostrate it physically it will not refuse providing benefits to us or will through fire projectiles on us coz our knowledge is telling us its we who discovered it.

          its always human who made things mostly in his mind called CONCEPT all concepts comes feom human they created all the gods human ever worshipped.

          human mind created it all.

          now we discovered about sun star gods and lot more than ancient people more than ancient people can think. with the help of science God.

          if the peope of sun god knew how many more massive sun gods we have they will not b able to name them all.

          not only we can name them at this age but also we are exploring them.

          age is going fast best of luck humanity. but in all of this it appears to me all human gids whoever comes in the concepts of human mind get dull with the passage of time the more we are going in depth the more mysteries are waiting for us telling us whatever we beleive ws not true about religious scriptures/science/philosphy everytime new theories attarct people towards new things.

          but the ONE is one the one thats absolute and one whos responsible for creating every creation only a creation can give a name creator.nobody science/religion/philosphy know the ONE. thats what he planned and logical mind can think only he can actually plan.

          YOU find your ONE= energy
          my one is not energy though i have more worthy things in mind than energy but i know my weak human mind can only imagine according to the ability provided to my mind.so i myself have no idea what he is ? of we understand all of it therez nothing much we need to worry. although we must enjoy out movie of life.

          REST of the part in in suspence and all religions/nations may have another surprise once tbey died and on that world/diemensh the will mock on their priests to tell them horrible picture or whatever is there is there i have a slight idea most of the theories regarding the hereafter by different sections of faiths will get proven lie.

          the origianl AFTERLIFE will be far more than we can imagine at this time space.
          human give a surprise to their beloved. upon happiness or special occassions like birth marraige but we can feel the surprises here at this world and we know our surprises never long last.

          but we have a SURPRISE from our creator what i beleive/feel will be the best thing a human soul can imagine by logic actually not by scriptures.

          if a human can feel so happiness after getting worthless surprises in this world imagine the surprise and mystery what our own creator created for us. thats why he got attribute of ghaib(hidden) the creator of mysteries.

          most of teh people who are waiting for their saviours like issa/messiah/mehdi/antichrist etc and those who are thinking to have their trial in graves will most probabaly disapponit.

          a longest post just due to a reason if u understand why i m writting this obvioulsy i want to help you understanding how people see things.

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            a longest post just due to a reason if u understand why i m writting this obvioulsy i want to help you understanding how people see things.

            There is no need for that if you understand Philosophy (Love of Wisdom/Islam); The SCIENCE OF TRUTH...

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            against..

            "delusion"

            an idiosyncratic belief or impression
            maintained
            despite being contradicted

            • by reality (METAPHYSICS) or

            • rational argument (EPISTEMOLOGY)

            typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity (DELUSIONAL), and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein

            It is INFINITE.

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              good_logic
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              My question is simple to you brother Mahdi
              Are we accountable to Allah =Energy and please elaborate on how?
              If we can choose to be/do good or bad ,then there must be accountability.

              In other words,if there is no GOD, there will not be any accountability .Or who who is responsible for all this and what is the structure?

              I agree with what you say mainly about respect of the environment and its conservation and respect and good cooperation with all creatures but unfortunately many abuse and disrespect like you see all around us on earth.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                My question is simple to you brother Mahdi
                Are we accountable to Allah =Energy and please elaborate on how?
                If we can choose to be/do good or bad ,then there must be accountability.

                It's Nature, LordLaw of Nature..

                KARMA...

                1. Unnatural cause = Unnatural Effects / Hell etc.

                2. Natural Cause = Natural Effects / Paradise etc.

                This "ENERGY MAKE CERTAIN" the above LordLaw of Cause and Effect.

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  i want to help you understanding how people see things.

                  Through the SCIENCE OF TRUTH...

                  Every nation has a Messenger and when their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly . They are not wronged. (1047)

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                  Those who have common sense and do natural actions, how few they are! (3824)

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                    good_logic
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                    So you believe there is a day of resurrection for the Karma to be applied by Allah=Energy?
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      of course, because

                      1. Energy (You) cannot be destroyed
                      2. Energy (You) cannot be created
                      3. Energy (You) can be transformed

                      and thus Hell / Paradise is CERTAIN.

                      • Those who live unnaturally goes to Hell (Unnatural Cause)

                      • Those who live naturally (make peace with Nature = Islam) goes to Heaven (Natural Cause)

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                      "You do not have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." ~ C.S. Lewis

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                        jkhan
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                        Mahdi ...
                        what i asked and what you replied has no value... tbh....
                        Now you have gone away from ALLAH = ENERGY to ILAH = ENERGY...
                        Now you want to say all words of ILAH in quran = Energy...
                        Please be specific... your website which you furnished clearly say and you say that LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH means = NO GOD BUT ENERGY.... clearly you have taken the word ILAHA = GOD/DEITY.. can't help if you twist in between..
                        And further you answer regarding Moses and Fire is just gone no where...
                        God guide you...
                        573 " They have certainly disbelieved who say "Energy is the Third of Three" and there is no energy except one energy...."
                        2255 " Energy, no energy but Him"....
                        Convince us pls... i am with you till you convince me... if you are okay with that... bring all ILAH verses in quran and explain why you take energy or gods..
                        God guide us..

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                          hawk99
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                          of course, and many scientists understand this metaphor..

                          since they are not deluded into worshipping some invisible gods in the sky.. truly deluded.

                          Good.

                          So what is the opposite of "light"? And could you give your understanding of .

                          peace

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                            jkhan
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                            When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                            Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                            http//matheism.blogspot.com

                            If you have forgotten what you have wrote just read your above quote....

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              Mahdi ...
                              what i asked and what you replied has no value... tbh....

                              what did you ask for?

                              Then give everyone a detailed explanation of the verse 1143 which say ILAH Deity/god of Men... even explain the 1141 as well...If allah is energy what is ilah 1143 indicates?

                              your objection has no value...

                              so which part from this argument that you don't agree?

                              1141 and 1142 defines the word ILAH/GOD in verse 1143

                              • 1141 Say, "I seek refuge in (the) Lord (of) mankind,

                              • 1142 (The) King (of) mankind,

                              • 1143 (The) God (of) mankind

                              (The) Lord (of) mankind = (The) God (of) mankind

                              Therefore

                              Allah (A) = God (B)
                              God (B) = Lord (C)

                              Accordingly, what is the definition for Lord (C)?

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                Good.

                                So what is the opposite of "light"? And could you give your understanding of .

                                peace

                                Insanity / Stupidity ...

                                "There is no darkness but ignorance" ~William Shakespeare

                                Allah is the Protector of those who have iman/truth=nature. He brings them out of the darkness/ignorance/insanity into the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom. But those who are kafir have false gods/LordLaw as protectors. They take them from the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom into the darkness/ignorance/insanity. Those are the Companions of the Fire remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (2257)

                                Definition of stupid Knowing the truth ( = nature / pure / unmixed), seeing the truth (natural), but still believing the lies (unnatural, mixed, impure, fallacies).

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  If you have forgotten what you have wrote just read your above quote....

                                  so what's wrong with this answer?

                                  ie. the process of reasoning...

                                  It is the process of "REASONING"

                                  Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

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                                    573 " They have certainly disbelieved who say "Energy is the Third of Three" and there is no energy except one energy...."
                                    2255 " Energy, no energy but Him"....

                                    Convince us pls... i am with you till you convince me...

                                    of course, everything is ENERGY..

                                    please study PHYSICS...

                                    and I don't have to convince anyone. !

                                    because #scientifically_illiterate

                                    Say He, ENERGY, is One (1). (1121)

                                    http//www.lawofattractioncentral.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Albert-Einstein-Energy.jpg

                                    Allah/ENERGY = 1
                                    Atoms = 0

                                    "This is PHYSICS"

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                                      jkhan
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                                      Okay if you don?t won?t to argue and at least if not convince everyone at least give the possibilities for others to think that there could be possibilities that GOD=ENERGY? ?Otherwise, Why you brought this topic just to make a show piece ?. Or to enlighten the people to the possible meaning of GOD=Energy? if the option no. 02 then respond to questions of the members politely and with patience and let the members who argue and who silently read know you point has meaning.. if not I don?t see any meaning of your presentation here.. When differences of opinion on one word of quran then argument should be based on that word and Einstein or nonsense of physics..
                                      Man? Are you out of your mind right now? I am not talking about 2628 ? I am talking about your very first thread in this topic?

                                      Allah is ENERGY
                                      ? on December 15, 2018, 021337 PM ?
                                      When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                                      Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                                      Now As per You Mosa already seen the Fire which is Allah.. But Mosa didn?t perceive it? But Allah made His presence on this Earth which is FIRE? YES or NO? I unfortunately have to ask coz you are twisting?
                                      Now Mosa (as per you conviction a fool) again asking God to make His presence? 7143 and God says
                                      ?And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me that I may look at You." said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."
                                      Now question is GOD and His presence on this earth is beyond probability but you making the Mosa a fool saying that he didn?t perceive that Fire was GOD=Energy..
                                      Why Mosa didn?t feel unconscious when he saw the FIRE?? And why Mosa was unconscious when actually God appeared to the mountain?? That?s what it is called reasoning and not what you say?.i have to say only this to you 2563
                                      4251 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
                                      Yes above verse? funny thing Mosa saw God and which is FIRE..ha ha ha..but God deny vehemently your claim?If one cannot even talk with God without being put a partition then forget about seeing.. nonsense..
                                      Peace.. Unless you go side by side with the question of mine when you answer I will continue with you otherwise best of luck with anyone who has time waste time here with you? Questioning something and answering a totally contrary..
                                      God guide you if He wills? sorry? Energy Guide you if Energy wills..

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        at least give the possibilities for others to think that there could be possibilities that GOD=ENERGY

                                        I already did BUT you said

                                        nonsense of physics..

                                        you said "NONSENSE of physics = sunnatullah = Way of Allah in Nature = Allah"

                                        "Nonsense of THE SUNNATULLAH / ALLAH"

                                        Thus

                                        Do you desire to guide people Allah/PHYSICS has misguided? (48

                                        nope... you can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves. no amount of proofs and evidences can fix stupidity / insanity...

                                        Therefore

                                        Pay no attention to foolish people. (7199)

                                        and don't worry about others, they understand Physics.

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                                          Allah is ENERGY
                                          � on December 15, 2018, 021337 PM �
                                          When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                                          Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                                          Now As per You Mosa already seen the Fire which is Allah.. But Mosa didn�t perceive it� But Allah made His presence on this Earth which is FIRE� YES or NO� I unfortunately have to ask coz you are twisting�

                                          What's wrong with this argument?

                                          BEFORE MUSA REASON ABOUT ALLAH

                                          Allah is ENERGY

                                          When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                                          Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                                          AFTER MUSA REASON ABOUT ALLAH

                                          Musa said "ALLAH IS the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY + FIRE + MOUNTAIN + EVERYTHING). You would understand Allah IF you USE REASON. (262

                                          What's wrong with your LOGIC? (6836)

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