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Allah is ENERGY

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    Please prove your reality...

    My argument

    • there is NO REALITY (GOD)

    • But/Only ENERGY (ALLAH).

    AND I will prove my Allah

    here, please prove your own existence...

    let's start with this kirlian photograph of an apple.

    https//i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/d2/58/b3d25814d62c554c9fa96cc0bf59082c--raw-food-vegan-food.jpg

    ISSUE Does this apple exist; or

    There is NO APPLE (GOD),
    ONLY LIGHT (ENERGY / ALLAH)?

    A. The apple exist

    B. No, there is NO APPLE (GOD). Everything is THE LIGHT

    A or B?

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=meoGgUkLx9M

    Nothing exists except atoms and empty space, everything else IS OPINION. ~ Democritus

    https//cdn-ssl.funkidslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/chest-x-ray-e1446037635839.jpg

    delusion. n. an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

    insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

    Which of you has been afflicted by insanity? (686)

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      hawk99
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      Insanity / Stupidity ...

      "There is no darkness but ignorance" ~William Shakespeare

      Allah is the Protector of those who have iman/truth=nature. He brings them out of the darkness/ignorance/insanity into the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom. But those who are kafir have false gods/LordLaw as protectors. They take them from the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom into the darkness/ignorance/insanity. Those are the Companions of the Fire remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (2257)

      Definition of stupid Knowing the truth ( = nature / pure / unmixed), seeing the truth (natural), but still believing the lies (unnatural, mixed, impure, fallacies).

      Thanks for taking time to reply Mahdi Ibrahim, I like your understanding of .
      However, light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom.
      Does not necessarily translate into submission in my view. Whereas the metaphor
      of light does. Secondly, where did you get your definition of stupid? nope

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Thanks for taking time to reply Mahdi Ibrahim, I like your understanding of .
        However, light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom.
        Does not necessarily translate into submission in my view. Whereas the metaphor
        of light does. Secondly, where did you get your definition of stupid? nope

        Nature or Sunnatullah (energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom) is always LOGICAL (CAUSE & EFFECT) in everything it does

        and Islam is making peace with Nature/LordLaw of Nature

        Thus you must submit / surrender to NATURE / LordLaw of Cause & Effect

        and even your Allah (imaginary GOD/ Parental God) cannot disobey NATURE.

        It is a promise binding on Us / ALLAH. That is what We will do. (2110

        You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

        The definition of Islam

        Is it other than the Way of Allah that you desire, when everything in the heavens and earth , willingly or unwillingly, submits / ISLAM (أَسْلَمَ) to Him and to Him you will be returned ? (383)

        Is it?

        You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~ Ayn Rand

        http//www.ratethequote.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/You-are-free-to-choose-but-you-are-not-free-from-the-consequences-of-your-choice.png

        "willingly or unwillingly, submits!"

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          your definition of stupid? nope

          It IS stupid.

          Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - that you desire? (3786)

          Definition of stupid

          • Knowing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

          • Seeing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

          • But still believing the lies / UNNATURE = ILLOGICAL.

          "stupid IS, as stupid DOES"

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            hawk99
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            It IS stupid.

            Definition of stupid

            • Knowing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

            • Seeing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

            • But still believing the lies / UNNATURE = ILLOGICAL.

            Maybe your definition and the dictionary definition intertwine &

            Stupid
            having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
            "I was stupid enough to think she was perfect"

            synonyms unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, halfwitted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish;

            https//i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Archive/Search/2012/9/27/1348743197978/Jim-Carrey-in-Dumb-and-Du-010.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=33da1489ca2315e74616a9ebc6d199eb

            Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, wit, or common sense. Stupidity may be innate, assumed or reactive ? a defence against grief or trauma

            And what about my first point?

            https//memegenerator.net/img/images/400x/14842562.jpg

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              Maybe your definition and the dictionary definition intertwine &

              Stupid
              having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

              You must give proofs/evidences and show me that the definition does not apply to stupid people... that's how it works

              Say, "This is my 'Islam'. 'Islam' is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me". (1210

              common sense

              common (sense) = universal (sense)

              universal (sense) = natural (sense)

              THEREFORE

              Stupid
              having or showing a great lack of NATURAL sense.

              Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - that you desire? (3786)

              They said, "Musa, give us a 'LordLaws' just as these people have (political / unnatural / stupid / imaginary) 'LordLaws'." He said, "You are indeed an ignorant people" (713

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                And what about my first point?

                read above...

                The definition of Islam

                Is it other than the Way of Allah that you desire, when everything in the heavens and earth , willingly or unwillingly, submits / ISLAM (أَسْلَمَ) to Him and to Him you will be returned ? (383)

                The mathematical pattern in NATURE is SUBMISSION, willingly or unwillingly.

                'Mathematics (EcoLogic) is the language in which God has written the universe' ~ Galileo Galilei

                Who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You cannot see any inconsistency (ILLOGICAL) in the creation of the Merciful. Look once again, do you see any flaw (NONSENSE or proofs for your imaginary ALLAH)? (673)

                NONE ... and what we read in "God's WORD" must agrees with what we see in "God's WORLD"; as our proof for OUR "COMMON SENSE" vs. Stupidity / Insanity / Kafir.

                Those who have 'common sense' and do natural actions, how few they are! (3824)

                On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full (WITH STUPID PEOPLE)? Hell will answer, Are there any more?" (5030)

                https//pics.me.me/i-see-stupid-people-walking-around-acting-like-they-are-10555155.png

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                  hawk99
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                  and even your Allah (imaginary GOD/ Parental God) cannot disobey NATURE.

                  So Allah has limits? confused

                  Ayn Rand

                  What a strange person to quote, but I get your point.

                  You must give proofs/evidences and show me that the definition does not apply to stupid people... that's how it works

                  I'm not one who creates his own definitions.

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    THEREFORE

                    Stupid
                    having or showing a great lack of NATURAL sense.

                    and yes, Allah is FINITE to 1

                    Say He, Allah, is ONE (1). (1121)

                    It is a promise binding on Us / ALLAH. That is what We will do. (2110

                    You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

                    Only stupidity is INFINITE...

                    1 + 1
                    1 + 1 + 1 ... infinity.

                    The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      we can make any meanings from metaphors.
                      its depends on who invented that metaphor its up to him what ?meanings? we can give to metaphor.

                      and after accepting that meanings of metaphor language give a birth to new word and then we start using that word after invention and it gets common.

                      using of metaphor is very important as we human dnt know lot of things.

                      when someone give a differ view of subject and create his own metaphor things become confuse.

                      metaphor(a) vs metaphor(b) is not = subject
                      none of them is giving TRUE nature what a human can percieve. thats why its a metaphor.

                      HEIGHT of metaphor is = metaphor of being named as ?GOD? who is above/high than anything what we can associate with him, including energy matter (visible /invisible).

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                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                        when someone give a differ view of subject and create his own metaphor things become confuse.

                        metaphor(a) vs metaphor(b) is not = subject
                        none of them is giving TRUE nature what a human can percieve. thats why its a metaphor.

                        HEIGHT of metaphor is = metaphor of being named as �GOD� who is above/high than anything what we can associate with him, including energy matter (visible /invisible).

                        It's not my problem since there is no confusion in NATURE and Law of Nature..

                        The ancient people and scientists understand cleary the metaphor for "THE LIGHT"...

                        Allah is the Light. (2435)

                        No one disputes Allah's Signs except those who are kafir (of Natural Order, Law of Nature, Sunnatullah, Physics etc). (404)

                        What signs?

                        We will show them Our signs on the horizons and in themselves (NATURAL SIGNS, Natural Order, Law of Nature, Sunnatullah, Physics etc). (4153)

                        Allah's SIGNS = NATURAL SIGNS (Sunnatullah, Physics etc)

                        https//electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/nikola-tesla-everything-is-the-light-.jpg

                        https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31484967_2093465134203400_8660664495922329152_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=4ac447f1215edf0d8cb1108ca62ee915&oe=5CB6F15B

                        He made all gods same god / light / energy / SUNNATULLAH ALONE MUSLIM. (385)

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          It's not my problem since there is no confusion in NATURE and Law of Nature..

                          TRUE there is no confusion nature & law of nature but i m asking about the one who create the nature and who make the laws of nature = creator + lawmaker

                          Tiu are giving a mataphor to that one by selecting energy as ur God some people have more broader view than energy in simple words universal creator is not = creation.

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            i m asking about the one who create the nature and who make the laws of nature = creator + lawmaker

                            That is Allah your LordLaw the Creator/Sustainer of everything There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (4062)

                            delusion. noun. an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                            That is Allah your LordLaw. There is no LordLaw but Him, the Creator/Sustainer of everything. So serve/align with Him . He is responsible for everything. (6102)

                            ???? From a God who thinks like a man, to a man who thinks like Allah!
                            .
                            For centuries after centuries, mankind has found solace in the idea of idolizing and deifying an all-powerful being with whom refuge can be sought against the many calamities and events that leave mankind helpless and impotent.
                            .
                            This process of deification and seeking salvation and success from an outside source, has led mankind to turn towards numerous concepts of god/s with the hope of having their dreams and desires met. As such, various objects that were thought to be powerful enough to have the capacity to meet their demands were deemed as gods, and hence began the period of idolatry.
                            .
                            At first, the gods were identified from among certain stones, plants and animals on earth. However, once their mortal nature was recognized, and as Prophets and Rasuls came time and time again pointing to the absurdity of deifying these earthly objects, man gave up on earthly gods and turned his gaze towards the heavens. This time, deifying certain heavenly objects or stars with specific influences as gods.
                            .
                            Whenever man encountered an object or event that he could not solve or comprehend, it became a mysterious power for him, to which he eventually associated a concept of godhood. This concept of an earthly or heavenly god falls into direct contradiction with scientific knowledge and is nothing but postulation. The Quran rejects this assumption that goes against verified knowledge with its ‘kalima-i tawhid&#039 (The Word of Unity), ‘there is no god&#039.
                            .
                            Man imprisoned himself in a cocoon when he idolized fire and heavenly bodies, all in supposition of a ‘god&#039. In time and with conditionings from the environment, he began to lead a life completely devoid of contemplation. Enslavement was the price of this ignorance; he became a slave to his gods and this dependence became his reassurance.
                            .
                            Of course, this only led to the hardening of his cocoon, burrowing him further into darkness!
                            .
                            When Muhammad (saw) announced to be Allah&#039s Rasul in Mecca, there were 360 different gods inside the Kaaba alone. That is, 360 idols! Mankind was finding solace in deifying 360 idols that represented 360 different gods, each with a different role.
                            .
                            THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DISCERN THAT SUCH EARTHLY OR HEAVENLY GODS COULD NOT EXIST, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAD NO IDEA OF THE VASTNESS OF THE UNIVERSE THEY WERE IN!

                            https//i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/65/66/f9656653903accef0e78bfbe4f724ee3.jpg

                            They thought that god sat on a star up in space and watched over our world, sometimes interfering in our affairs, and sometimes quietly observing to examine us, all eventually to place those of his liking in heaven and cast the rest into hell.
                            .
                            Mankind has done a lot of nonsense in the name of pleasing earthly or heavenly gods. In fact, in Hadhrat Omar&#039s words, they would make an idol to resemble their god with a cookie, then they would worship and deify this cookie-idol and then, with much appetite, they would sit and eat it! Even worse, they would bury their 8-year old daughters alive just to ingratiate themselves with their illusory gods!
                            .
                            God denotes the existence of a deity beyond the individual. A deity that bestows the wishes of individuals in exchange of being praised, glorified, and exalted!
                            .
                            A God that gives commands with which you must comply in order to earn his favor, so that he places you in his paradise and blesses you with plenty in the world. For if you oppose him by following your own free mind and free will, he will become your enemy and punish you by subjecting you to various sufferings!
                            .
                            While mankind was caught up in the deification of false and primitive gods, Muhammad (saw) received a revelation that announced him as Allah&#039s Rasul, after which he strived strenuously to stop people from deifying gods. He told them
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                            THERE IS NO GOD. THERE IS ONLY ALLAH .
                            .
                            This reality has been termed as the ‘kalima-i tawhid&#039 (the Word of Unity).
                            .
                            From God to Allah
                            Ahmed Hulusi
                            https//drive.google.com/open?id=0B4abSh8tONUuMDItdXhGQWpSbGc

                            Traditionally...

                            https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29497004_2074729772743603_936231513274640080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=0a1debed7b7ba87ea0075138c033d513&oe=5CBA785C

                            and now, scientifically Matheism

                            We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. (144))

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              Chapter 112 The Law of Thermodynamics

                              https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35476760_2118602701689643_4954036732015149056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=b39da34517c054c996a55dfe72ccc710&oe=5CBE41DA

                              1124 = Transformation of ENERGY.

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                learn math zero mean zero.

                                man = 0 ( in what sense) ?

                                one more thing multiply 0 by million and tell the value of 0 afterwards ?

                                some people apply wrong religion of God
                                some people apply wrong science on God
                                some people apply wrong math on God
                                some people apply wrong images to God
                                some people apply wrong concept of God.
                                some people apply wrong concept of wrong God/s

                                although there is also opposite of this what can gather by applying correct LAW.

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                                  imrankhawaja
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                                  That is Allah your LordLaw the Creator/Sustainer of everything There is no LordLaw but Him — so how can you be so deluded? (4062)

                                  YES he is the creator / sustainer untill there all imagination is sound and logic after
                                  lets move further

                                  cause and effect of everything ( agree too)

                                  next part is problemetic because you are saying the energy what we have is what God is.

                                  now at this stage i can say we are the controller of energy ? we are biger god than energy ? we can create energy ? we can destro energy ? our bodies provide us energy what we get from food too.

                                  on that step people put lot of figure living/non-living, visible / invisible, animal/humans, all flavours of God is in third step. actually in the step of creation.

                                  how creation = creator ?

                                  whatever a human mind can think about (God) it will be nothing more than human imagination. its a limit to it.

                                  why you thinking this because as per your knowledge you cannot think more than energy thats your limit of thinking ( understand ) .

                                  you are looking for creation not creator.
                                  you will find creation in the end not creator.
                                  ( thats called law of cause and effect)

                                  if u put a seed of apple it will be apple not orange.(law of nature)

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    learn math zero mean zero.

                                    man = 0 ( in what sense) ?

                                    "THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DISCERN THAT SUCH EARTHLY OR HEAVENLY GODS COULD NOT EXIST, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAD NO IDEA OF THE VASTNESS OF THE UNIVERSE THEY WERE IN! "

                                    and there is not even "0".. there is ONLY ONE / ONENESS (1).

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      next part is problemetic because you are saying the energy what we have is what God is.

                                      Indeed, you are mere "consciousness" and the manifestation of Allah.

                                      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=meoGgUkLx9M

                                      Allah (1) + 0 (You) = 1 (manifestation or consciousness of Allah / Energy)

                                      and scientifically...

                                      • Allah (Energy) exists

                                      • You (Atoms) don't!

                                      https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31073188_2089059774643936_5753565038412447418_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=f60a7a6cfe5ea45e3a35e0fef843bc86&oe=5CF7687B

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                                      https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31290652_2091350211081559_1722276449504163621_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=04d14935c40d8f8c32e9126644db6ae9&oe=5CA3B46C

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                                      but instead, many people are insanes...

                                      Allah (1) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + infinity = shirk / insanity

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        how creation = creator ?

                                        Allah exists, you don't... this is scientific fact.

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                                          u got 100/100 marks handshake

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