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Pork is HALAL

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    Sultan_Brandon
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    You're not the Mahdi.

    55 does not say pork.

    And there's four other ayat say that pork is forbidden (2173, 53, 6145, 16115). Seek forgiveness from God.

    Not to mention the logical reasons for why pork is haram like the fact that its filled with parasites, they're garbage feeders and pork production creates toxic pools of waste, among other problems.

    In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

    53 Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

    54 They ask you what was made lawful to them, say "All the good things have been made lawful for you, and what the trained dogs and birds catch, you teach them from what God teaches you." So eat from what they have captured for you and mention the name of God upon it, and be aware of God. God is swift in reckoning.

    55 Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them; and the independent females from those who are believers, and the independent females from those who have been given the Book before you, if you have given them their dowries, to be independent, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. And whoever rejects belief, then his work has fallen, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      Dear Mahdi� Pls don�t hide the verse 55 only to suite your opinion� coz that verse continues 55 says two things� ��. Food of those who were given the book is lawful for You AS WELL YOUR FOOD IS LAWFUL FOR THEM�.�

      No, I don't need to hide a Book/verses that almost 8,000,000,000,000 peoples have access, doesn't make sense at all..

      and I merely pointing out this issue

      Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

      WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

      • And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV

      • And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        And there's four other ayat say that pork is forbidden (2173, 53, 6145, 16115)

        with four root words.. root khā nūn zāy rā (خ ن ز ر)

        and missing of ي

        the point is, something that needs to read carefully ...

        ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

        http//i64.tinypic.com/2871bio.jpg

        "ACTED LIKE" ... 560

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          You're not the Mahdi.

          That is almost IMPOSSIBLE. !

          https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29496716_2074397939443453_8436503027730144132_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=e5234a024c178a9bbdd3a960f00070cf&oe=5CB66BA9

          https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30124444_2081951875354726_4398148980039417459_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=9b8cc893ca9114cb5b5d61c6761fa838&oe=5D0035FA

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            Sultan_Brandon
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            Evidence of end times is not evidence that you're the Mahdi. Assuming there will even be a Mahdi. But you can believe that if you like its just not healthy for you.

            = pig

            In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

            2173 He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

            2543 Have you seen the one who has taken his desire as his god? Will you be a caretaker over him?

            449 Did you not see those who ascribe purity to themselves? No, it is God who purifies whom He wills, and they will not be wronged in the least.

            4172 The Messiah is not too proud to be a servant to God, nor are the angels who are close to Him. Whoever is too proud from His service, and is arrogant, then He will gather them all towards Him together.

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              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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              Evidence of end times is not evidence that you're the Mahdi. Assuming there will even be a Mahdi. But you can believe that if you like its just not healthy for you.

              I have my proof, no worry. But it is not healthy for you to worship Political Jurisprudence and logical fallacies ... to act as enemy of the Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / EcoLogic.

              https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50914168_2275082096041702_5794395058262245376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=6dfa9e0c7839544cb5d60efa4ad710e6&oe=5CBE9A52

              الخنزير = pig

              In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

              بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

              2173 He has only made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

              انما حرم عليكم الميتة والدم ولحم الخنزير وما اهل به لغير الله فمن اضطر غير باغ ولا عاد فلا اثم عليه ان الله غفور رحيم

              2543 Have you seen the one who has taken his desire as his god? Will you be a caretaker over him?

              ارءيت من اتخذ الاهه هوىاه افانت تكون عليه وكيلا

              449 Did you not see those who ascribe purity to themselves? No, it is God who purifies whom He wills, and they will not be wronged in the least.

              الم تر الى الذين يزكون انفسهم بل الله يزكى من يشاء ولا يظلمون فتيلا

              4172 The Messiah is not too proud to be a servant to God, nor are the angels who are close to Him. Whoever is too proud from His service, and is arrogant, then He will gather them all towards Him together.

              لن يستنكف المسيح ان يكون عبدا لله ولا الملائكة المقربون ومن يستنكف عن عبادته ويستكبر فسيحشرهم اليه جميعا

              You did not address the issue.

              This is irrelevant.

              Dead animal is haram, make sense.
              Blood is haram, make sense.

              This is haram?

              https//renfroesmarket.com/media/catalog/product/f/o/four-boneless-pork-steak-112-p.jpg

              Doesn't make sense.

              Maggoty stinking meat is haram?

              https//thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/worms-maggots-different-sizes-rotten-ground-meat-s-worms-maggots-different-sizes-rotten-ground-meat-121598207.jpg

              Make sense.

              with four root words.. root khā nūn zāy rā (خ ن ز ر)

              and missing of ي

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                Sultan_Brandon
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                I reverence God alone, be He Glorified, the One, the Supreme. God willing.

                In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

                37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are lawgiving revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are of a similatude. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow that which is of a similatude, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

                7184 Do they not reflect? Their companion has no madness; but he is a clear warner.

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  Logic failed.

                  I reverence God alone, be He Glorified, the One, the Supreme. God willing.

                  الحمد الله رب العالمين

                  In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
                  بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

                  37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are lawgiving revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are of a similatude. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow that which is of a similatude, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

                  7184 Do they not reflect? Their companion has no madness; but he is a clear warner.

                  You did not address the issue.

                  This is irrelevant.

                  Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

                  WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

                  And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV
                  And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

                  ...

                  The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

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                    I have my proof, no worry. But it is not healthy for you to worship Political Jurisprudence and logical fallacies ... to act as enemy of the Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature / EcoLogic.

                    https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50914168_2275082096041702_5794395058262245376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=6dfa9e0c7839544cb5d60efa4ad710e6&oe=5CBE9A52

                    You did not address the issue.

                    This is irrelevant.

                    Dead animal is haram, make sense.
                    Blood is haram, make sense.

                    This is haram?

                    https//renfroesmarket.com/media/catalog/product/f/o/four-boneless-pork-steak-112-p.jpg

                    Doesn't make sense.

                    Maggoty stinking meat is haram?

                    https//thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/worms-maggots-different-sizes-rotten-ground-meat-s-worms-maggots-different-sizes-rotten-ground-meat-121598207.jpg

                    Make sense.

                    What sense it is ..... does it make sense to eat what is depicted in your last picture when someone is compelled to eat as God ordered... or the flesh of swine.... it's not rotten meat it is flesh of swine what is prohibited.... God won't say unless under compulsion go and eat the rotten meat.... What kind of God He is to say eat the decayed meat when you don't have food and in hunger strikes.. is there any issue in eating the flesh of swine while hunger strikes and not finding any option... that makes sense... you are nonsensical .... i am sorry to say that.. that's crystal clear.. you are screened blind with your mahdi movement.. thats all

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.

                      Did Allah forget to mention about "Pork"?

                      WE MADE HARAM FOR THE JEWS every animal with an undivided hoof, and in respect of cattle and sheep, We made their fat haram for them, except what is attached to their backs or guts or mixed up with bone. That is how We repaid them for their insolence. And WE CERTAINLY SPEAK THE TRUTH (not the Torah/Bible). (6146)

                      And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Leviticus 117-8 ESV
                      And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. Deuteronomy 148 ESV

                      ...

                      The FOOD (flesh of swine) OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

                      The FOOD (PORK) OF THOSE JEWS is also halal for you ... ... (55)

                      So which one "SPEAK THE TRUTH (6146)" about pork in the Torah/Bible?

                      Quran or Torah/Bible?

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                        Sultan_Brandon
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                        Only irrelevant to the blind.

                        is your God too. And He doesn't forget.

                        6146 is additional restrictions for the Jews besides what's already forbidden

                        Already addressed. 55 does not mention swine like you misquote. Other ayat clearly forbid

                        You're committing serious sins by knowingly altering the Qur'an and trying to change what's forbidden.

                        I'm only a warner.

                        In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful

                        1042 And there are some of them who listen to you; but can you make the deaf hear, if they do not comprehend?

                        1682 So if they turn away, then you are only required to deliver clearly.

                        2269 He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          6146 is additional restrictions for the Jews besides what's already forbidden

                          Where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?

                          What verse? show me...

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                            Sultan_Brandon
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                            Where in the pork was made haram for the Jews?

                            What verse? show me...

                            The Qur'an applies to everyone even if some refuse to follow it.

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              Do you understand my question?

                              The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

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                                https//scontent.fkul7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31218584_2090517307831516_4558380402319206920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul7-1.fna&oh=6f41b12b91c8d227bf4707416b1b42e5&oe=5CBC7556

                                with four root words.. root khā nūn zāy rā (خ ن ز ر)

                                and missing of ي

                                the point is, something that needs to read carefully ...

                                ... anyone who rejects iman (halal foods and flesh of swine), his actions will COME TO NOTHING and in the Next World he will be among the LOSERS. (55)

                                http//i64.tinypic.com/2871bio.jpg

                                "ACTED LIKE" ... 560

                                http//i66.tinypic.com/j5b2v6.jpg

                                http//i64.tinypic.com/dpzuia.jpg

                                Therefore, where in the Quran pork was made haram for the Jews?

                                What verse?

                                show me...

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                                  Sultan_Brandon
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                                  Do you understand my question?

                                  The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK is also halal for you ... ... (55)

                                  Yes, its any of their food that isn't forbidden by ayat like 53.

                                  What is the Arabic word for pig according to you?

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    So where is the verse?

                                    Allah made haram pork for the Jews<<

                                    Why it is so hard for you to show me the verse?

                                    So your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews? There, nothing mentioned about pork was made haram for the Jews, in verse 6146.

                                    The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK ("nothing mentioned about pork&quot is halal for you ... ... (55)

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                                      Sultan_Brandon
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                                      The Arabic word for pig is
                                      The Qur'an uses this word and says that its forbidden (53, 2173, etc).
                                      Even if by itself means "seen".

                                      The Qur'an is the truth so it applies to everyone, including the prohibition of pork, regardless of the religion they choose, including Jews.

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        So you cannot prove Allah made haram pork for the Jews?

                                        (and your Allah forgot to make haram pork for the Jews)

                                        There is no such verse from the Quran... right?

                                        The FOOD OF THOSE GIVEN THE BOOK ("nothing mentioned about pork&quot is halal for you ... ... (55)

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                                          Sultan_Brandon
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                                          p o r k i s f o r b i d d e n f o r e v e r y o n e

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