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good_logic

Peace All.
Re GOD s creations,one thing to me seems certain, GOD is just and fair with all of them.

Take the humans for instance, whatever suffering they endure either here or elsewhere/other life..., is GOD responsible for any of it? Similarly if good fortune and good things come their way ,are they going to reject it like they would love to reject the bad things?
So who is responsible for who? Where does GOD come into all this?

For sure , we cannot have it both ways or expect GOD to only provide good things for all of us and take away all the bad ones, can we?

I think this question is very important
Who is responsible for us?
GOD gives us His expectation of us and reminds us about our aim and our reliance or criticism of each other

52″ Do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, (Asking their creator to help them decide in this life!) devoting themselves to HIM ALONE.( They are not wasting your time!) You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning.( It is their own time!) If you dismiss them, ( You are being unfair!) you will be a transgressor.”

( Freedom of choice! You are responsible only for you! ( Once you reach the age of responsibility?) The decision to believe or disbelieve is yours! You cannot blame anyone else? Check and prove all things, or follow others ,or do not bother to do anything? Will anyone else be accountable for you?)

657″ Say” I have solid proof from my Lord ( That this scripture is from GOD?) and you have rejected it. I do not control the retribution. ( That some challenge from GOD!) Judgement belongs to GOD. (ALONE!) HE tells the truth, and HE is the best Judge.”

659″ With HIM ( GOD the creator!) are the keys of all secrets. None knows them except HE. HE knows everything on land and in sea. Not a leaf falls without HIS knowledge, nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil, nor is there anything wet or dry that is not recorded in a profound record.”

661″ HE is supreme over HIS creatures, and HE appoints guards (Angels) to protect you. When the appointed time of death comes to any of you, Our messengers ( Angel of death) put him to death without delay.”

662″ Then everyone ( Every single human!) is returned to GOD. Their rightful Lord and Master. Absolutely, HE is the ultimate Judge. HE is the most accurate Reckoner,”

665″ Say” HE is certainly able to pour upon you retribution from above you or from beneath your feet; Or HE can divide you into factions( Tribes, Nations?) and have you taste each others tyranny. Note how We explain the revelations that they may understand.”

667″ Every prophecy in ( This scripture) here, will come to pass and you will surely find out.”

669″ The righteous( Submitters) are not responsible for those who reject, ( Total submission and loyalty to GOD?) but it may help to remind them;( About the greatness and power of GOD!) Perhaps they may be saved.”

6102″ Such is GOD your Lord, ( HE wants total submission from all HIS creatures, to HIM ALONE!) there is no god except HE ( HE has no partners, no wife/girlfriend, no son, no daughter etc…HE is Unique, everything else is HIS creation!) the Creator of all things. You shall observe/ follow) HIM ALONE. ( Do not rely on anyone else) HE is in control of all things.” ( Yesterday, today , tomorrow and forever!)

6103″ No vision can encompass HIM ( HE is not going to show Himself in this life while this life is a test for submission and loyalty! We cannot imagine ( HIS look, gender etc….) as our imagination is limited to this physical life! But we will certainly see HIM on the day of judgement. ) but HE encompasses all visions. ( HE can see all of us, nothing is hidden from HIM!) HE is the Compassionate, ( Ready to help and forgive those who sincerely seek HIM!) THE Cognizant.”

6110″ We control their minds and their hearts, thus since their decision is to disbelieve ,( Remember we are in full control of ourselves, we make our own decision, you are responsible for only you!) We leave them in their transgression blundering.”

6134″ What is promised to you ( by GOD) will surely come to pass, and you can never evade it.”

6135″ Say” O my people ( All you humans!) do your best ( in this life) and so will I. ( We all find out we can never manage without GOD s help) You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are. ( Those who totally submit!) The wicked will never succeed.”

7100″ Does it ever occur to those who inherit the earth after previous generations ( Including you this generation!) that if We will, We can punish them for their sins and seal their hearts; Causing them to be deaf?” ( To GOD s message!)

7102″ ( Past generations) We found most of them disregard their covenant; We found most of them wicked.”

( What covenant?)

7172″ Recall ( There is a barrier between this life and “other life” hence the reminder!) that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam ( Humans, prior to this life and creation of this universe) and had them bear witness for themselves ( Yes each and every individual!)” am I not your Lord?” ( One ruler, One authority, One system so that we do not divide ourselves into factions/tribes…) They all said” Yes we bear witness” ( We will remember this covenant on the day of judgement?) thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection” We were not aware of this.”

( We are responsible and accountable! this life is a test of loyalty to GOD our creator?)

7173″ Nor can you say” It was our parents who practised idolatry ( Were loyal to others!) and we simply followed in their footsteps; Will you punish us for what others have innovated?”

( Only oursevesf to blame?)

7174″ We thus explain the revelations ( To remind the humans!) to enable the people to redeem themselves.”

We have the choice, accept or do not accept this aim and purpose of our life.? I suppose on a similar way other creations have also got similar choices?
GOD bless you all.
Peace

Jafar

Take the humans for instance, whatever suffering they endure either here or elsewhere/other life..., is GOD responsible for any of it? Similarly if good fortune and good things come their way ,are they going to reject it like they would love to reject the bad things?
So who is responsible for who? Where does GOD come into all this?

A jewish dude once offered this advice
Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you use, you will also be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matt 72

When you're judging, your own judgement cannot escape from you, it will be mirrored back to you.
And when you're not judging and accept everything as it is, the acceptance will also be mirrored back to you.

Thus you can recognize it and will choose which option suits you.
And when we're adopting the non judgmental option, we can say that there is no good and bad option, it just an option yet it will be mirrored back thus it can be recognized.

What goes around comes around..

For sure , we cannot have it both ways or expect GOD to only provide good things for all of us and take away all the bad ones, can we?

Good and bad is the result of perception.
Any event is both good and bad as it's actually neutral.

Who is responsible for us?

We are...

good_logic

Peace All.
Talking about humans(Children of Adam), they are reminded of loyalty to GOD Alone , in the verses below, yet they still claim other gods and insist that it is fine to have other gods/idols.
Brother jafar,,brothers and sisters, I find the verses simple and powerful for those that listen and take heed

O Children of Adam?

353″ O people, ( all the world out there!) remember GOD s blessing upon you. Is there any creator other than GOD who provides for you from the heavens and the earth? There is no other god beside HIM, how could you deviate. ( take on other gods/ idols!)

O Children of Adam?

355″ O people, GOD s promise is the truth. Therefore do not be distracted by this lowly life. Do not be diverted from GOD by mere illusions.”

O Children of Adam?

358″ Note the one whose evil works are adorned in his eyes, until he thinks that he is righteous
…”
O Children of Adam?

3515″ O people, you are the ones who need GOD; While GOD is in no need of anyone, the Most Praiseworthy.”

O Children of Adam?

3516,17″ If HE wills, HE can get rid of you and substitute a new creation.”
” This is not too difficult for GOD.”

O Children of Adam? Stay loyal to your Lord- NO other gods/Idols!?

3514″ If you call on them, ( your gods/ idols!) they cannot hear you. Even if they hear you, they cannot respond to your call. On the day of Resurrection, they will disown you.”

O Children of Adam?

3538″ GOD is the knower of the future of the heavens and the earth. He is also the knower of your innermost thoughts.”

O Children of Adam?

3539″ He is the one who made you inheritors of the earth. Subsequently, whoever chooses to disbelieve does so to his own detriment. The disbelief of the disbeliever only augments their Lord s abhorrence towards them. The disbelief of the disbeliever plunges them deeper into loss.”
O Children of Adam?

3540″ Say” Consider the gods/ idols ( Any creation you are loyal to!) you have set up beside GOD; Show me what on earth have they created?” Do they own any partnership in the heavens? Have We given them a book where in it there is no doubt? Indeed what the transgressors promise one another ( all them false religions!) is no more than an illusion.”

O Children of Adam?

3541″ GOD is the one who holds the heaven and the earth lest they vanish. If anyone else is to hold them, they will certainly vanish! HE is Clement, Forgiving.”
O Children of Adam?

3545″ If GOD punished the people for their sins, HE would not leave a single creature on earth. But HE respites them for a predetermined interim. Once their interim is fulfilled, then GOD is seer of HIS servants.”
O Children of Adam?

3646″ No matter what kind of proof is given to them from their Lord, they consistently disregard it.”

O Children of Adam? You will meet your LORD?

3648″ They also challenge” When will, ( this day of Resurrection) that is promised, come to pass, if you are truthful.”

O Children of Adam?

3649″ All they see, will be one blow that overwhelms them, while they dispute.”

O Children of Adam?

3650″ They will not even have time to make a will, nor will they be able to return home.”

O Children of Adam?

3651″ The horn will be blown whereupon they will rise from the earth and go to their Lord.”

O Children of Adam?

3652″ ( the dead generations)They will say” Woe to us, who Resurrected us from our death? This is what the most gracious ( our Lord) has promised, the messengers were right.” “

O Children of Adam?

3653″ All it takes is one blow,whereupon they are summoned before Us.”

O Children of Adam?

3660″ Did I not covenant with you O children of Adam… That you shall observe/follow-me ALONE? ( Submit and stay loyal to GOD) This is the right path.”
O Children of Adam?

3677″ Does the human being not see that We created him from a tiny drop, then he turns into an ardent enemy?”

O Children of Adam?

3682″ All HE (GOD) needs to do to carry out any command is to say”Be” and it is.”

O Children of Adam?

3683″ Glory be to the one in whose hand is the sovereignty of all things, and to HIM you will be returned.”

O Children of Adam?

3827″ We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them in vain. Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.”

O Children of Adam?

3828″ Shall We treat those who believe ( Submit and stay loyal to GOD) and lead a righteous life as We treat those who commit evil on earth? Shall We treat the righteous as We treat the wicked?”

O Children of Adam?

3829″ This is a scripture that We sent down to you- That is sacred- Perhaps they reflect on its verses. Those who possess intelligence will take heed.”
O Children of Adam?

3865″ Say” I warn you, there is no other god beside GOD. The ONE, the SUPREME.”

( Do we humans still want other gods/ idols?)
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!

What value does it have to believed/faith by someone/somewhere?
How do you know someone/somewhere is telling true or false?

Suppose i believe earth is FLAT? What value does it have? Dnt u want TO know the TRUTH of matter? Since my book is saying earth is flat my book cant b wrong? Big LOL.

Suppose i believe chapter 9 verses 128-129 IS NOT a part of an old book what VALUE does it have? Lol.

Suppose u were born in earliest of early civilisation and u happened to believe in all sort of those greek gods what value does it have?

Suppose u r a vedic hindu and still believes in multiple millions gods? What value does it have?

Suppose someone/somewhere believes hes God or Son of God what value does it have?

SO SIRS believe got no value when you are dealing with TRUTH.

You can believe it but you cant KNOW it. All what u are saying/posting/refferring is a belief not KNOWING.

Who is responsible for us?

Well i m not sure perhaps i can remind you of some verses by which u can see who is responsible..

Its Allah who makes YOU laugh and cry.
Its Allah who guide whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Its Allah who is responsible for richness and poverty.
Its Allah who creates all evil and good.

More important ONE
When some good befalls them they said its from us and when something bad happen they said its from you whats wrong with those people, tell them everything is from Allah.

Now its another matter who wants to believe on it and who want to incquire about it and want to know TRUTH about it?

Next question is HOW to find it?

Jafar

Talking about humans(Children of Adam), they are reminded of loyalty to GOD Alone

All creatures are serving the one infinite creator and always.
There's no disloyalty.. it doesn't exist.. as there isn't any other creator in the first place, to whom they change their loyalty to??

Although how they serve might be different.

The path of "egocentricity" is a very hard path; fear, distress, sadness, anger, hatred, pride, denial, dis attachment, rejection, despair, revenge.
That's why it's the path of illusion.
But the creatures who took such path are also serving the one infinite creator.

Through them, the contrast can be seen, and peace, acceptance, love, humility, forgiveness, compassion, understanding can also be recognized. Such path is the natural path, it's easy, it's pleasing. And at one point in time even those who took the path of illusion shall return to the natural path.

As everything emanate from the one infinite source, or in metaphoric term; children of the one infinite source thus everything shall also return and unified to the one infinite source. How do you know it's the true one infinite source? You will know, because it's pleasing, true and natural / effortless.

Which one felt more natural and pleasing? Spreading fear, hatred and threat? or spreading Peace, Love and Understanding?

Some might choose fear, and enjoy the sensation of being feared, superiority over others and in control.
Yet such sensation is temporary and it will be forced to continuously maintain the fear in order to maintain superiority and control. It takes a lot of effort, a lot suffering as the fear will be mirrored back to fear spreader itself. It will also have fear of losing control and not being feared anymore. Which at one point it will, it will lose control and not being feared anymore, such moment is the moment of enlightenment for those who took the egocentricity path.

Even the perception that it is not serving the one infinite creator or having a control is also merely an illusion. As even though it took the 'hard' path, the egocentricity path, it also actually serving the one infinite creator and the one infinite creator always have control over everything. The egocentric being just refused to admit it, as thus it's living within an illusion.

As for the humble, acknowledging that the one infinite creator is actually the one who control and does everything shall felt no sensation of pride. As what is there to be proud of? As it's merely playing the role as designated and designed by the one infinite creator.

Peace

good_logic

Peace Imran.

You say quote
You can believe it but you cant KNOW it. All what u are saying/posting/refferring is a belief not KNOWING.

You are talking about your perception of people. Mine is different,
For example, in my opinion, some people can know what others take as beliefs through other senses like feelings, , inspiration, manifestations/communication with other beings....etc.
One may think they cannot possibly know, they just believe,but they come up with things that are abnormal/impossible under normal ways.. Take some prophets like Moses....Or was that just fairy tales?

For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain. I do not expect others to know ,nor care if they think I do not really know, it is only a belief.
It is my personal experience and I am satisfied and confident that it is a true fact, regardless of others.

As for the following, quote

Its Allah who makes YOU laugh and cry.
Its Allah who guide whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Its Allah who is responsible for richness and poverty.
Its Allah who creates all evil and good.

More important ONE
When some good befalls them they said its from us and when something bad happen they said its from you whats wrong with those people, tell them everything is from Allah.

These all have got a reason,that you probably missed when taking verses out of context
1- It depends on the initial choice/decision of the individual first and foremost.
2- The knowledge that GOD has about the true conviction ,of the individual and their intentions.

GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.
GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destiny

GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!

For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain.

Your statements are not matching lovely GL. Lol

GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.

Not true,

Its mean if GOD want to stop someone/something he got no control over creation.

GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destiny

Not true again.

Does everything is not = destiny?

The image of God what u have showing lack of control.

Lets talk about some in depth experience me and u already had about our destiny..?

Did we decided our destiny to BORN with what we have?
Our body features?
Our religion?
Our family?
Our conditions?
Our choices what we wanted?
Even our birth and death?

U can replace that word All controlling God to limited control GOD.

good_logic

Peace Imran..
You have these choices according to how I understand my GOD
1-Align yourself with Him.
2-Be an opponent to Him.(This include the in between,/who doubt/ not having one firm decision)

I leave you with this comment
“God decrees whatever he wishes to decree . He controls whatever he chooses to control. He is never caught off guard or at a loss of options. He anticipates and ingeniously outmaneuvers his opponents.
Hence, all who align themselves with him can have total confidence that he will ultimately achieve his objectives and keeps His promises for all creation.”

Disagree if you want, GOD gives you choices as well.
I have nothing to add anymore than what has been said
Thank you once more for youe conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Oh and because I care about my dear brother Imran,even if you do not believe there is freedom of choice,( This will actually work especially for those who do not believe we have choices and make decisions), I advise you to make it your business to align yourself with GOD Alone in this life. This is the only business that succeeds in both this life and the hereafter.
And if one does not believe in accountability in the hereafter, they will have nothing to loose.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Jafar

Oh and because I care about my dear brother Imran,even if you do not believe there is freedom of choice,

"Freedom of choice" doesn't mean that it's free from the one infinite source plan and design.

When one know everything about something he/she/it will automatically control that thing.
The reverse is also true, when you want to control something then you need to know everything about that thing.

Thus, when one does NOT know everything about something, he/she/it can NOT control that thing.
But if he/she/it does NOT know everything BUT wanted to control that thing, In anguish and frustration he spread fear, terror and threat in hope that the thing will do what he/she/it wants due to FEAR.

Yet...
Since the one infinite source knows everything about me, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over me.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about you, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over you.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about everything, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over everything.

I advise you to make it your business to align yourself with GOD Alone in this life. This is the only business that succeeds in both this life and the hereafter.

A very good advice, aligning with the one infinite source.
The advice is also applicable to you though.. and others..

A jewish dude recommend this approach
"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come"
"Let your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

The Father's will shall always be done nonetheless, 100% guaranteed.
No need of spreading terror, threat or be angry.

It's only a matter on how each of you perceived it, as a blessing (acceptance) or as a suffering.

By the way, that jewish dude above ends up (at least in his lifetime on this earth) being framed and tortured by the religious elite. But it seems he managed to disregard the 'pain' signal from his ego and perceive it as a blessing (acceptance).

Peace

imrankhawaja

2-Be an opponent to Him.(This include the in between,/who doubt/ not having one firm decision

Do u believe me, you, we PUNY creation can be opponent to the most powerful being?

Anyway thanks for the care about me lol appreciate that.i have noticed a confused remarks in your statements. I can see your struggling brother but its ok u dnt need to add anything in convo. I can understand that.
Thanks to you too for the convo. handshake

Since the one infinite source knows everything about me, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over me.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about you, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over you.
Since the one infinite source knows everything about everything, then surely the one infinite source is in full control over everything.

TRUE and logical,

Everything included DESTINY of everyone.

good_logic

Peace jafar.
Any reason why you say this to me brother? Quote
A very good advice, aligning with the one infinite source.
The advice is also applicable to you though.. and others..

Do you think/What made you think that I do not apply to myself the advice I give to others? Or may be I singled brother Imran with an advice to lead him astray?

Peace Imran

I struggle daily to make sense of my shortcomings, but I have your interest and all my fellow humans at heart. I mean what I feel.and I try very hard to mean what I say.
If it comes out wrong,gets you feeling negative or hurts you in any way ,please forgive my shortcomings.
The same goes for brother jafar.
I feel both of you doubt GOD and Qoran or you know both differently than I do .. Hence our disagreement sometimes.
But I accept your entitlement and freedom to your views.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.

good_logic

Peace All.
I summarize here and call this post
Lessons from the past to be learned for the humans- Similarly Jinns have their lessons too-

The people of Noah,Hud, Salih, Shuaib....etc are the lessons for us.

This is news from the past communities that we narrate to you. Some are still standing, and some have vanished.

We never wronged them; they wronged their own souls. Their gods, whom they invoked beside God, could not help them in the least when the judgment of your Lord came. In fact, they only ensured their doom.

Such was the retribution enforced by your Lord when the communities transgressed. Indeed, His retribution is painful, devastating.

This should be a lesson for those who fear the retribution of the Hereafter. That is a day when all the people will be summoned - a day to be witnessed.

We have appointed a specific time for it to take place.

The day it comes to pass, no soul will utter a single word, except in accordance with His will. Some will be miserable, and some will be happy.

As for the miserable ones, they will be in Hell, ...

As for the fortunate ones, they will be in Paradise...

Do not have any doubt regarding what these people Yabudu; they Yabudu exactly as they found their parents Yabudu. We will requite them their due share fully, without reduction.

We have given Moses the scripture, but it was disputed, and if it were not for a predetermined word decreed by your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. They are full of doubt about this (scripture too), suspicious.

Your Lord will surely will recompense everyone for their works. He is fully Cognizant of everything they do.

Therefore, continue on the path you have been enjoined to follow, together with those who repented with you, and do not transgress. He is Seer of everything you do.

Do not lean towards those who have transgressed, lest you incur Hell, and find no allies to help you against God, then end up losers.

You shall steadfastly persevere, for God never fails to recompense the righteous.

If only some of those among the previous generations possessed enough intelligence to forbid evil! Only a few of them deserved to be saved by us. As for the transgressors, they were preoccupied with their material luxuries; they were guilty.

Your Lord never annihilates any community unjustly, while its people are righteous.

Had your Lord willed, all the people would have been one congregation (of believers). But they will always dispute (the truth).

Only those blessed with mercy from your Lord (will not dispute the truth). This is why He created them.* The judgment of your Lord has already been issued "I will fill Hell with jinns and humans, all together.- They put themselves there by their decisions and choices!!!)

We narrate to you enough history of the messengers to strengthen your heart. The truth has come to you herein, as well as enlightenments and reminders for the believers.

Say to those who disbelieve,(opponents ) "Do whatever you can, and so will we.

"Then wait; we too will wait."

Indeed all we can do is wait.
May the Lord bless you all.
Peace.

jkhan