Muhammad not mentioned in the Koran...

[Daniyar]

Hi all,

Rolling on the floor, laughing lol

Guys, let's cut this thread, it's all over

Apperantly, for many centuries of Dark Ages Christian scolars have done a great work to develope a sophisticated sholasticism techniques. Surely they will "prove" you that black is actually white pretending to be black, Jesus is God, Trinity is not a foolish innovation of clergy, mickey mouse was one of us, etc

This kind of "arguments" is nothing but waste of time, effort and nerve cells. There is no point. "Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not revert" (21

They believe that bible is a word of god - actually it is. It's a word of their own god. They invented their god while recompiling re-editing the actual Word of God.
Let it be, guys "They are harming their own "Selves" (c) Quran

And by the way, if a Scripture, being the Word of God contains a Law and basic order of interaction and relationship between ALL people, nations etc. logically it must be availabe to everybody. How it comes that Gospels of Mark contain a "secret" part (which was discovered in letters of saint Clement of Alexandria (3rd century) that can be only available to the elites?
Is it elitarian religion? So let the so-called "elite" go by it's own way

[unknownuser]

Greetings Damon,

Thanks for your reply?

Greetings ApplePie,
You wrote
Care to try again?.?

No need to....the evidence is clear for you to see and your inquiry has been answered for you.

Actually, none of the ayahs that you posited declares the written word of God to be in error, in any way, shape, or form.

That is why I posed to you to show me the Arabic word(s) that support your position.

It is clear that you don?t understand the written classic Arabic like you claimed.

You're pretending to establish a line between written and oral when the very clear fact remains that it says earlier scripture was distorted...period!! You're trying to establish a case that earlier scripture was only orally distorted ??? I can see right through tactic. The only way to truly distort something is to make said changes to the document itself. You cannot "orally" distort something.

Again?come forth with the Arabic that supports your position.

Unless you don?t understand Arabic, that is?

If you wrote an autobiography, I can't distort it by telling others false information about it. I can only distort if I am able to distort the book itself. That's the only way my plans for distortion and spreading of false info can take effect. I cannot orally distort it if the book itself is available in it's original publication.

Believe it or not, I know exactly what I'm dealing with when it comes to you and your tactics here. I've been down this road plenty of times with others who practice the same tactics.

I doubt this, as you cannot even address the theme of this thread?.you simply jump from topic to topic.

Take care?

[unknownuser]

Peace people,

Peace Damon,

Just an OOT comment

You begin to sound (write) like Apple Pie!!!

shock shock shock

Would you mind telling me what you mean by this statement?? ? ?

Dear Daniyar,

Everything you have said in your post is true. I never had any intention of changing Apple Pie's views because, as you have pointed out, his mind is made up. I only posted just to see how far he would go to defend his position even after his position has been exposed in the open. I also wanted to examine for myself which tactics he would make use of. Trust me guys, he's no different than the others of his ilke....they're all the same.

Peace,
Damon.

[tux]

Peace Apple Pie

Jesus is God.

Y.Ali
5116
And behold! Allah will say 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?' He will say 'Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Y.Ali
4171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity' desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

[unknownuser]

Greetings tux,

Thanks for your reply?

Peace Apple Pie
Apple Pie wrote

Jesus is God.

Yes?Jesus is God?as stated scores of times in the Koran?.

Y.Ali
5116
And behold! Allah will say 'O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?' He will say 'Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Let me extend the same offer to you as I did to Damon.

Please show us the Arabic words that are troubling to you?

Y.Ali
4171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity' desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Again?please show us the Arabic words that are troubling to you?

Thanks?

[tux]

Peace Apple Pie

Again?please show us the Arabic words that are troubling to you?

I can't read Arabic.

[unknownuser]

Greetings tux,

I appreciate your honesty.

I would like to ask then how is it that you can put your full faith into Yusuf Ali??

Think about it?

[tux]

Peace Apple Pie

Greetings tux,

I appreciate your honesty.
I would like to ask then how is it that you can put your full faith into Yusuf Ali??

Think about it?

I read different translations of the Koran.

[unknownuser]

Greetings tux,

Thanks for your reply?

I read different translations of the Koran.

Let me guess?you study English translations?but never the mother tongue in which your book of faith was written?

Am I correct??

[tux]

peace Apple Pie

Greetings tux,

Thanks for your reply?

I read different translations of the Koran.

Let me guess?you study English translations?but never the mother tongue in which your book of faith was written?

Am I correct??

Yes.

[mmkhan]

Salaamun Alaikum,
Brothers and sisters in Islam,

Dear brother pie of an Apple, wink

I got a question for you.

What is Bible? I heard from a Christain friend of mine saying that Bible is a recording of Jesus sayings and doings. Is that correct?

It is recorded by the followers of Jesus after him.

It can be true because... AlQuraan is still called AlQuraan and Taurah is still called Taurah. Then how come Injeel is called Bible?

I think that Injeel is something else and Bible is the Hadiths for Prophet Jesus.

Can you put some light on this?

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.

Regards,

Mohammed Mahtab Khan

[unknownuser]

Greetings mmkhan,

Thanks for your reply?

What is Bible? I heard from a Christain friend of mine saying that Bible is a recording of Jesus sayings and doings. Is that correct?

It is recorded by the followers of Jesus after him.

It can be true because... AlQuraan is still called AlQuraan and Taurah is still called Taurah. Then how come Injeel is called Bible?

I think that Injeel is something else and Bible is the Hadiths for Prophet Jesus.

Can you put some light on this?

The Holy Bible consists of 66 books.

39 from the OT.

27 from the NT.

The Holy Bible contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures.

The message throughout the Holy Bible is that Jesus is God Almighty.

The above description also fits the Koran?.it also contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures?and the message throughout the Koran is that Jesus is God Almighty?

Hope this helps?

[jonny_k]

Peace Apple Pie,

The Holy Bible consists of 66 books.

Khi- Wht abt the six apocalypical books of the Bible which the Catholics regard as belonging 2 the Bible?

39 from the OT.

27 from the NT.

The Holy Bible contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures.

The message throughout the Holy Bible is that Jesus is God Almighty.

Khi- This is completely wrong. The OT never makes such a claim at all but even in the NT we NEVER find any statment where Jesus said tht he is GOD or where he says Worship me. None of the four gospels in the NT claim tht Jesus was GOD in any sense. The OT is also the scriptures of the Jews. If tht mentioned Jesus as being Divine y dont the Jews accept him 2 be so? Jesus' Divinity is a doctrine made up after his death by the Nicene Council. Jehova's Witnesses n Unitarians also believe in the complete Bible yet they utterly reject Jesus being GOD. This is nothing but a false, absurd n illogical interpretation made up by trinitarians.

The above description also fits the Koran?.it also contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures?and the message throughout the Koran is that Jesus is God Almighty?

Khi- The Quran unlike the Bible is NOT a COMPILATION of scriptures. It is ONE Scripture. In the Bible u refer like Book of z chpter x verse y while in Quran u refer only chpter x verse y. N the Message in the Quran is totally the opposite as u claim. Read this verse carefully
Pagans/Rejectors/Unbelievers indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
This verse makes it clear tht according 2 Quran anyone who claims Jesus is GOD is a Kaafir an unbeliever, a rejector, a pagan. It cant get any clearer than tht. GOD Bless!

[jonny_k]

Salam mmkhan,

What is Bible? I heard from a Christain friend of mine saying that Bible is a recording of Jesus sayings and doings. Is that correct?

Khi- No tht is not correct. The Bible is a COMPILATION of various scriptures thght of 2 be Divine. Some of them were indeed originally Divine as per name but not necessary as written out n inserted in the Bible. It is divided into Old Testament, containing the Jewish scriptures also accepted by Christians n New Testamant containing the Christian scriptures not accepted by Jews. The word 'Bible' is never 2 be found in itself n thus there is no statement of its approval. Jesus saying r supposedly recorded in the Gospels of Jesus by Mark, Mathew, Luke n John. The original Gospel of Jesus by himself aint there at all in the Bible. Wht sense does it make 2 have four gospels of the same person accounted by four different ppl? Jesus came with one message thus one Gospel n tht Gospel is known as 'Injeel' in the Quran. The 'Taurah' as mentioned in the Quran does not include all of the OT either but only the five books of Moses, the original of which is not present either.

It is recorded by the followers of Jesus after him.

Khi- Yes indeed it was recorded after him, many yrs after him in different accounts which makes the situation ll the more confusing.

It can be true because... AlQuraan is still called AlQuraan and Taurah is still called Taurah. Then how come Injeel is called Bible?

Khi- 'Injeel' as i mentioned earlier is NOT the Bible but the Gospel of Jesus which int there in the Bible at all.

I think that Injeel is something else and Bible is the Hadiths for Prophet Jesus.

Khi- Injeel is the Gospel of Jesus as originally revealed 2 him. The four so called Gospels of Jesus in the Bible r just like hadith u r right in tht. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Greetings idmkhizar,

Thanks for your comments?

Peace Apple Pie,
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The Holy Bible consists of 66 books.

Khi- Wht abt the six apocalypical books of the Bible which the Catholics regard as belonging 2 the Bible?

I?m not Catholic.

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39 from the OT.

27 from the NT.

The Holy Bible contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures.

The message throughout the Holy Bible is that Jesus is God Almighty.

Khi- This is completely wrong. The OT never makes such a claim at all but even in the NT we NEVER find any statment where Jesus said tht he is GOD or where he says Worship me.

Islam 101 right on cue?and your reply emanates from an individual who confesses to never having studyied the original languages of scriptures?

None of the four gospels in the NT claim tht Jesus was GOD in any sense.

Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?

The OT is also the scriptures of the Jews. If tht mentioned Jesus as being Divine y dont the Jews accept him 2 be so?

Probably for the same reason that they deny that he is the Messiah, while Muslims adamantly confirm that He is the Messiah? wink

Jesus' Divinity is a doctrine made up after his death by the Nicene Council.

Then this must have also had an impact on the authors of the Koran as they also granted Jesus full divinity.

Jehova's Witnesses n Unitarians also believe in the complete Bible yet they utterly reject Jesus being GOD. This is nothing but a false, absurd n illogical interpretation made up by trinitarians.

The authors of the Koran understood the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty?

What is your hang-up???

Oh yeah?.you don?t understand Arabic?.that?s right?.

You don?t even understand what ?thumma? means?

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The above description also fits the Koran?.it also contains both Jewish and Christian scriptures?and the message throughout the Koran is that Jesus is God Almighty?

Khi- The Quran unlike the Bible is NOT a COMPILATION of scriptures.

Dead wrong.

The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.

If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.

It is ONE Scripture.

It is a collection of Jewish and Christian scriptures ? both OT & NT along with a healthy helping of heretical scriptures to boot?

In the Bible u refer like Book of z chpter x verse y while in Quran u refer only chpter x verse y.

Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.

N the Message in the Quran is totally the opposite as u claim. Read this verse carefully
Pagans/Rejectors/Unbelievers indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
This verse makes it clear tht according 2 Quran anyone who claims Jesus is GOD is a Kaafir an unbeliever, a rejector, a pagan. It cant get any clearer than tht. GOD Bless!

I?ll make the same offer to you as I have all the others.

Show me the Arabic words that are giving you difficulty.

Take care?

[jonny_k]

I?m not Catholic.

Khi- I didnt say u were. My statemnet was general. Wht i meant is tht those books were once accepted part of the Bible n then the evangelists removed it. 2morrow maybe some other parts of the Bible will be removed too. It already happened with 1 John 57 too.

Islam 101 right on cue?and your reply emanates from an individual who confesses to never having studyied the original languages of scriptures?

Khi- More gobbledygook. The Jews know the OT better than u do. There r many scholars among them. None of them agree tht theres even the slightest hint of Jesus' divinity in the OT.

Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?

Khi- Show us where.

Probably for the same reason that they deny that he is the Messiah, while Muslims adamantly confirm that He is the Messiah? wink

Khi- Well then tht makes the Muslims right. Confirming tht Jesus is the Messiah has nothing 2 do with him being divine.

Then this must have also had an impact on the authors of the Koran as they also granted Jesus full divinity.

Khi- No they didnt as ive shown many times over.

The authors of the Koran understood the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus is God Almighty?

Khi- The Quran surely understood the concept of trinity n utterly denied it as false n blasphemous.

What is your hang-up???

Oh yeah?.you don?t understand Arabic?.that?s right?.

You don?t even understand what ?thumma? means?

Khi- Mere accusations while ive presented so much evidence.

Dead wrong.

The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.

If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.

Khi- The Quran is ONE Book(kitaab) n It also refers Itself as such. Wht u might be referring 2 is 'suhoof' meaning more like 'pages' or parts of a book. The Bible is a compilation of different books.

It is a collection of Jewish and Christian scriptures ? both OT & NT along with a healthy helping of heretical scriptures to boot?

Khi- It is one complete Book(al-kitaab).

Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.

Khi- Maybe those in the Bible. Anyway my pt was 2 show tht the Bible is a compilation of different Books while the Quran is One Book Only. Moreover the sura n ayah segregation in the Quran is Divinely Inspired as has been shown through code-19 mathematical pattern.

I?ll make the same offer to you as I have all the others.

Show me the Arabic words that are giving you difficulty.

Khi- No prob, lemme transliterate
'LAQAD(indeed) KAFARALLAZINA(pagans/unbelievers/rejectors r those) qaalu(saying) INALLAHA(indeed GOD) HUWAL(He is the) MASSIHU(Messiah) IBNU MARIYAM(son of Mary)...' so we clearly see tht those who say Jesus the Messiah son of Mary is GOD r rejecting/blaspheming pagans. GOD Bless!

[unknownuser]

Greetings idmkhizar,

Thanks for your reply?

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I?m not Catholic.

Khi- I didnt say u were. My statemnet was general. Wht i meant is tht those books were once accepted part of the Bible n then the evangelists removed it. 2morrow maybe some other parts of the Bible will be removed too. It already happened with 1 John 57 too.

You?re a code guy?perhaps you could break the Theomatics code for us?

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Actually they all do?.just as the Koran also does?

Khi- Show us where.

Pleasure.

Here are some examples from just sura 16...

Jesus is God?

Jesus has the wrath?allah has the wrath

Wrath of God, Koran 16106
Wrath of God, Book of Revelation (616-17, 1118, 1410, 1419, 151, 157, 161, 1619, 1915)

Jesus knows the hour?.allah knows the hour

Hour, Koran 1677
Hour, Book of Revelation (33, 310, 915, 1113, 147, 1415, 1712, 1810, 1817, 1819)

Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven?.allah hands out the reward in Heaven

Reward, Koran 1696-97
Reward, Book of Revelation (1118, 2212)

Jesus is the Resurrection?allah does the resurrecting

Resurrection, Koran 1621, 1625, 1627, 1677, 1692, 16124
Resurrection, Book of Revelation (15,118, 28, 31, 1118, 1413, 205-6, 2012-13)

Jesus abhors idols?.allah abhors idols

Idols, Koran 1636
Idols, Book of Revelation (214, 920, 220)

Jesus is patient?.allah is patient

Patience, Koran 1696, 16126-127
Patience, Book of Revelation (19, 22-3, 219, 226, 310, 1310, 1412)

Repent to Jesus?repent to allah

Repent, Koran 16119
Repent, Book of Revelation (25, 216, 221-22, 33, 319, 920-21, 169, 1611)

Jesus knows your deeds?.allah knows your deeds

Deeds, Koran 1663, 1690, 1697
Deeds, Book of Revelation (25-6, 29, 213, 219, 222-23, 226, 31-2, 38, 920, 1413, 1611, 185-6, 2012-13, 2212)

Glory be to Jesus?glory be to allah

Glory, Koran 1660
Glory, Book of Revelation (16, 49, 411, 512-13, 712, 1113, 147, 154, 158, 169, 191, 197, 2111, 2123-24, 2126)

Jesus is the Almighty?.allah is the almighty

Almighty, Koran?161, 163, 1660
Almighty, Book of Revelation (18, 48, 1117, 153, 167, 1614, 196, 1915, 2122)

Jesus will be coming quickly?allah will be coming quickly

Quickly, Koran 1677
Quickly, Book of Revelation (11, 25, 216, 311, 1114, 226-7, 2212, 2220)

The Book of Revelation is Truth descended from Jesus? from allah

Book of Truth, Koran 1689
Book of Truth, Book of Revelation (11-5, 111, 119, 21, 28, 212, 218, 31, 37, 314, 199, 1911, 215, 226-7)

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Dead wrong.

The word specifically means a collection of scriptures.

If you bothered to study classic Arabic then you would have already known this.

Khi- The Quran is ONE Book(kitaab) n It also refers Itself as such. Wht u might be referring 2 is 'suhoof' meaning more like 'pages' or parts of a book. The Bible is a compilation of different books.
Khi- It is one complete Book(al-kitaab).

Wrong again.

Let?s review the definition for ?the Book??.

= ?alkitabu?

?alkitabu? definition

Lane references sura 22 in his definition

Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying. (22)

?That is the book, or scripture?; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.

References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590

Thus?.it is painfully clear that the Koran is no more than a collection of mainly Biblical material that has been translated from Biblical Hebrew & Greek into Arabic?

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Sura and ayah segregation are artificial.

Khi- Maybe those in the Bible. Anyway my pt was 2 show tht the Bible is a compilation of different Books while the Quran is One Book Only.

Where have you been??

The Holy Bible is a compilation of Jewish and Christian scriptures just as the Koran is a compilation of Jewish and Christian scriptures.

You need to wake up to reality one of these days?.

Moreover the sura n ayah segregation in the Quran is Divinely Inspired as has been shown through code-19 mathematical pattern.

First it was frank, frank, frank?..now its code 19, code 19, code 19?

I already showed you (and you affirmed) that the holy grail of code 19?.which is 19.19 speaks about the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Sorry to inform you that the human hands that penned the Koran were not divinely inspired. They were just translating Biblical Hebrew and Greek into Arabic?

Khi- No prob, lemme transliterate
'LAQAD(indeed) KAFARALLAZINA(pagans/unbelievers/rejectors r those) qaalu(saying) INALLAHA(indeed GOD) HUWAL(He is the) MASSIHU(Messiah) IBNU MARIYAM(son of Mary)...' so we clearly see tht those who say Jesus the Messiah son of Mary is GOD r rejecting/blaspheming pagans. GOD Bless!

Latin transliteration is not showing us the Arabic words.

Show us the Arabic words that you are transliterating?and the classic meaning behind them?.

Unless?of course?you are not a serious believer?.

Take care?

[truth]

Greetings from earth Applepie,

What you have shown in the examples in the quote below is how the word "Jesus" was substituted for God in christian scriptures. That's all.

Jesus has the wrath?allah has the wrath

Wrath of God, Koran 16106
Wrath of God, Book of Revelation (616-17, 1118, 1410, 1419, 151, 157, 161, 1619, 1915)

Jesus knows the hour?.allah knows the hour

Hour, Koran 1677
Hour, Book of Revelation (33, 310, 915, 1113, 147, 1415, 1712, 1810, 1817, 1819)

Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven?.allah hands out the reward in Heaven

Reward, Koran 1696-97
Reward, Book of Revelation (1118, 2212)

Jesus is the Resurrection?allah does the resurrecting

Resurrection, Koran 1621, 1625, 1627, 1677, 1692, 16124
Resurrection, Book of Revelation (15,118, 28, 31, 1118, 1413, 205-6, 2012-13)

Jesus abhors idols?.allah abhors idols

Idols, Koran 1636
Idols, Book of Revelation (214, 920, 220)

Jesus is patient?.allah is patient

Patience, Koran 1696, 16126-127
Patience, Book of Revelation (19, 22-3, 219, 226, 310, 1310, 1412)

Repent to Jesus?repent to allah

Repent, Koran 16119
Repent, Book of Revelation (25, 216, 221-22, 33, 319, 920-21, 169, 1611)

Jesus knows your deeds?.allah knows your deeds

Deeds, Koran 1663, 1690, 1697
Deeds, Book of Revelation (25-6, 29, 213, 219, 222-23, 226, 31-2, 38, 920, 1413, 1611, 185-6, 2012-13, 2212)

Glory be to Jesus?glory be to allah

Glory, Koran 1660
Glory, Book of Revelation (16, 49, 411, 512-13, 712, 1113, 147, 154, 158, 169, 191, 197, 2111, 2123-24, 2126)

Jesus is the Almighty?.allah is the almighty

Almighty, Koran?161, 163, 1660
Almighty, Book of Revelation (18, 48, 1117, 153, 167, 1614, 196, 1915, 2122)

Jesus will be coming quickly?allah will be coming quickly

Quickly, Koran 1677
Quickly, Book of Revelation (11, 25, 216, 311, 1114, 226-7, 2212, 2220)

The Book of Revelation is Truth descended from Jesus? from allah

Book of Truth, Koran 1689
Book of Truth, Book of Revelation (11-5, 111, 119, 21, 28, 212, 218, 31, 37, 314, 199, 1911, 215, 226-7)

[unknownuser]

Greetings truth,

Thanks for your reply?

What you have shown in the examples in the quote below is how the word "Jesus" was substituted for God in christian scriptures. That's all.

Now?this is interesting?

You have just acknowledged that Jesus is the equivalent of God, as His name has been used interchangeably with God.

Now?you are beginning to understand the concept of the Holy Trinity.

Most excellent?.!

[TheNabi]

Salaam ApplePie,

Albiet it is obvious you do not even have knowledge of the Bible and confuse Biblical concepts with man made concepts. You are trying to apply these concepts, which you will not find in the Bible at all, to the quran. Your whole argument is thus baseless because the quran is not from the Bible you are purporting. You know nothing of the Bible and I doubt you are even a Christian. I'm sick of your antics, attributing lies to the Bible, and then the quran. Then as Oben has pointed out you erroneously substitute Jesus for God.

Joe

P.S. Jesus does NOT know the hour as it is clearly said in the Bible. Otherwise you explain the inherent contradiction ApplePie.

Concerning that day and hour NOBODY knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor THE SON, but ONLY THE FATHER.