MANIFESTO for Islamic Reform
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Right now, the scenario presented to mquran is that there is already a ummah of quran following believers. Problem is, how do we chooose a leader? Im still waiting for him to answer this step by step. Just so i can understand.
Where did I say this please ? This goes against my understanding of even the word ummah. You are mistaken, Jaxal.
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SaLaM mquran
Nooo IM asking to YOU. I AM saying that there is a large ummah who follows Quran and God. But they are leaderless. Now how will they chooose a leader. Im asking you to explain to me briefly step by step how a leader will be chosen. I hope you understand.
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Nooo IM asking to YOU. I AM saying that there is a large ummah who follows Quran and God. But they are leaderless. Now how will they chooose a leader. Im asking you to explain to me briefly step by step how a leader will be chosen. I hope you understand
Where is this umma of yours ? An umma of believers are uppermost in the land (4/141). I dont see any believers anywhere ?
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Ok, it doesn't start with an 'umma of believers'. It starts with one man, the messenger.
the messenger calls people to serve Allah. He then fulfils the role of the messenger (3/164) and (57/9) and also leads them in engagement in the world.
From here, the umma is formed.
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SaLaM mquran
Interesting. Ok, what if, this messenger was teaching something that went against your belief. You say RK was teaching sunnism - hadiths, but what if that is the right way? Would you beleive he is the leader?
( i have no associationg with RK or his teaching, im just using him as a reference )
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Interesting. Ok, what if, this messenger was teaching something that went against your belief. You say RK was teaching sunnism - hadiths, but what if that is the right way? Would you beleive he is the leader?
If a messenger came to me and preached what messengers before preached, yes I would. I've not met anyone to that effect at all. Remember that the messenger did TILAWAATUL KITAB (practice of the book) and not just bla bla'ed about it.
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Lollllllll . Ok but i asked you, say a messenger comes to you and preaches that Kabbah IS the place where God asked us to make pilgrimage and that it IS in Makkah as we know it today. Would you beleive him and accept him as your leader?
He'd have to do better than you at presenting evidence..Lolllll (since you think this is a laughing matter).
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So now his messengership and leadership rests on how he does a presentation? what happened to the killing of the armies of God to prove his wisdom and power?
What you need to do is, read the Quran for yourself. Its not a closed book and the stories of the messengers are clear. Read the story of Bani Israil from beginning to end please. From the start of the messengership of Musa, to how it evolves into Bani Israil, to how they ascend in the land to how David attains power.
As for how he does a 'presentation', please note that you have to speak to the people. no mention of ms-powerpoint is mentioned..Lollll.