gay people and islam

topo

so the quran forbids anal and oral sex?
if the issue is actually the forbidden anal and oral sex, what about gay guys who are so gay who then do surgery to make 'fake' vagina? it will not allowed either? if he has vagina, he can then marry his gay partner as the sexual intercourse would not be anal?
i used to live in indonesia, and there is this very religious moslem gay guy in indonesia who did surgery to be a woman, and he/she wears headscarf and everything, in fact she's a celebrity there. once she went to do hajj, and it was the time when many people were killed in Mina, and many religious nuts in indonesia blamed her for this. that it was the punishment from god because she is supposed to be a guy, but dresses up and behaves like a woman. is it fair to treat her like that?
you know guys, i think we need to start looking human being not by their gender. man or woman or transvestite or gay, they are all the same.

sawtooth

JK-

actually most STD's are going to be transfered via vaginal to penial intercouse. Only those ascosiated more wth blood transference are more likely to occur with anal intercourse. ALSO because of the need for lubrication, condoms are more often used for anal than vaginal. As for homosexuality being behaviour over biological, the jury is still out pending further study of chromosomal and cerebral differences between homo and hetero. And for teh surgery to fix things, if you allow hormonal therapy to fix a homo, do you allow for gender reassignment to fix things n the other direction? And what of those born with both x and y chromosomes? Are they allowed to choose their gender based on how they FEEL or is that just behaviour and their gender should just be decided based on what is more physically pronounced in their body? You are walking a fine line here between what is allowed or justified and what is not. It sounds more like it is up to the individual to once again "interpret" things to assist their means to and end..

Andya_Primanda

Peace all,

We've had various discussions about this issue. I was going to scream Not again! but I realize that won't help, so I'll offer my insight on this.

There is a fallacy usually commited by both parties in the homosexual debate the naturalistic fallacy. The pro side said some homosexuals are born that way. The contra side said homosexuals are an aberration. Both carry the assumption that 'if something is natural, then it must be morally right'. I think that this assumption is wrong. Something can be natural and be considered morally wrong. For instance, a lot of people have inborn xenophobic tendencies--does that mean xenophobia and bigotry is right because it's natural? No.

Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's right.

ps Topo, I'm Indonesian too, I know about that transexual person. I think his/ decision for a sex change is wise.

sawtooth

How can it be tested if xenophobia is a genetic trait? one would have to be isolated at beirth. Nurture VS nature. Afraid of a threat or threatened by an unknown of course, that is natural and it also aids our survival. other than that, there is no way to prove it.

and if someone IS born NATURALLY homosexual, should they fix it? (if they can) lives as they were made? or live the lie and fake it? Why should they be condemed to mental and emotional mysery because god made them that way. what possible offence is there before birth to allow for that, unless you believe in reincarnation?

Andya_Primanda

How can it be tested if xenophobia is a genetic trait? one would have to be isolated at beirth. Nurture VS nature. Afraid of a threat or threatened by an unknown of course, that is natural and it also aids our survival. other than that, there is no way to prove it.

That's what I mean by the innate xenophobia tendency. Most humans are like this. Doesn't mean that it is right to use it as an excuse to do bad things in the name of our natural xenophobia?

and if someone IS born NATURALLY homosexual, should they fix it? (if they can) lives as they were made? or live the lie and fake it? Why should they be condemed to mental and emotional mysery because god made them that way. what possible offence is there before birth to allow for that, unless you believe in reincarnation?

For this I have no answer. I'm not an apologist either. Someone can be born gay, or mentally retarded, or blind. It's just the way things are.

I know it seems unfair and evil, but I cannot defend any entity here.

sawtooth

xonophobia denotes and irrational fear, usually ascociated with a change into hate. Natural fear is one that denotes a fear of a physical threat and will often subside when a threat is no longer sensed. BIGdifference.

As for how someone is born, you are right there are o answers, therefore there should not be a punishment either

zenje

So it's just about sex then? )

unknownuser

Peace topo and all. I think topo has made a number of outstanding posts on this isue,I think re-reading and pondering on them would be instructive.
Not all gays indulge in anal-sex,indeed some straight couples do this.(i personally think it may be unhygenic and harmful). To compare a gay person with a child-molester is in-correct. Gay men/women have consented and should be making an informed choice.
What about people born with both male and female organs? What choice should they make? As for the organs only having one function(ie straight intercourse),well we also urinate through these organs-does this make them dirty?( we also use our bum for sitting on!) Is kissing wrong,beacause the mouth is meant for eating and talking?
Peace all.

unknownuser

Peace all. Peaceful muslim and leyla also made some good points on this thread. I think topo is a welcome addition to the forum,and i hope we get some knowledge from this dialogue.
Peace.

unknownuser

Hello

There is an important point that was not discussed, do homosexuals have a Hidden Agenda, the folloiwng may give some light to the answer

Do Homosexuals Have A Hidden Agenda?
A homosexual author named Michael Swift has stated "Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigeur....We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons....The family unit will be abolished." That is one indication of the pathological attitude some homosexuals have towards the opposite gender.

Here is another indication. A homosexual named Mark Dennis has admitted in the Wall Street Journal that "the gay agenda...plans the end of 'breeders' (heterosexuals) through a takeover of public education. " In other words, some homosexual activists want the public schools to eventually teach that normal man/woman sexual relations are wrong!

Another indication of the pathological attitude some homosexuals have towards the opposite gender is this quote from a lesbian named Geri Cox "The older I get...the angrier I get. Especially with men. I've gotten to the point where I hate men." That anti-male attitude is common among lesbians, as this next quote shows.

"Because a general disenchantment with and suspicion of all males was central to lesbian-feminist doctrine, the gay man was naturally seen as being no less an enemy than any other human with a penis, and lesbian-feminists could make no lasting coalition with gay men in a gay revolution. " That from lesbian author Lillian Faderman. Sexist attitudes are so common and strong among homosexuals that even "natural" allies, homosexual men and lesbians, find working together difficult if not impossible.

Here is a similar quote from a homosexual man, Dennis Altman There is "disinterest of gay men in women's issues and...hostility of gay women to much of the gay male movement. "

Simon LeVay, another homosexual author, disclosed that "Gays and lesbians fought their own private battle of the sexes . Gay men were generally made to feel unwelcome in lesbian bars, and vice versa."

Similarly, a homosexual man named Eric Marcus admits "Sexism between men and women was just rampant in the early 1970s in the gay community in the larger cities. "

Professor Martin Duberman, a homosexual, acknowledged that "sexism...is rampant in the gay male."

A reporter for the pro-homosexual Chicago Tribune, Grant Pick, noted in 1993 "Sexism persists among homosexuals...and lesbians, in particular, cite instances of discrimination from male homosexuals. "

A reporter for the pro-homosexual Chicago Sun-Times, Ernest Tucker, in an article titled "Girlcott hits sexism at gay parade, " related that two lesbian groups planned to boycott the 1997 North Side Gay and Lesbian Pride Parade in Chicago "because they say gay men among the spectators harassed them verbally and physically in the past. "

A big clue which helps explain all that sexism found among homosexuals is contained in these words from the homosexual Dennis Altman "Undoubtedly for many homosexuals there is something threatening in the idea of intimacy with the other sex. "
One well-known homosexual, David Geffen, has admitted that he "was afraid of the opposite sex, " according to biographer Tom King, a fellow homosexual.

If homosexuals allow themselves to have warm feelings for the opposite gender, they might begin to doubt their homosexual identities. So, many homosexuals develop negative feelings for the opposite gender. This homosexual fear of intimacy with the opposite gender, this heterophobia, helps account for all that sexism found among homosexuals.

Another kind of discrimination practiced by some homosexuals besides the abovementioned kind is discrimination against normal heterosexuals. As Jon Margolis, a one-time (liberal) columnist for the Chicago Tribune, noted In "the theater, fashion, much of the cultural and intellectual world, it actually helps to be a homosexual, with the discrimination going the other way . "

This homosexual prejudice against heterosexuals is due in part to many homosexuals believing they are superior to heterosexuals. Professor Martin Duberman admits that "classism" (elitism, a sense of superiority) is a prevalent feeling among homosexuals.

Besides the aforesaid homosexual prejudices, Altman says there is also a "quite considerable presence of racism in the gay world. " Professor Duberman agrees. He mentions "the endemic racism in our community" and states that "racism...is rampant in the gay male."

LeVay also referred to the "racism within the gay and lesbian community. " Author Frank Browning, a homosexual, similarly noted "the racial divisions in San Francisco gay life. "

A black lesbian named Deborah Johnson "found that the gay and lesbian community was much further behind than the straight community when it came to basic civil rights ....hen black people showed up at meetings or social gatherings, they would get the cold shoulder. Nobody would ever talk to them. The insensitivities were really bad. And there were racial comments all the time. "

A black homosexual named Keith Boykin devoted a whole chapter of a book he wrote to this particular prejudice. He titled that chapter "Gay Racism. "

And a columnist for the homosexual newspaper Windy City Times, Dan Perreten, admits "Racism is evil, and it's alive and well in the gay community. "

To sum up all these quotes, of which the vast majority are from homosexuals themselves

there is a strong tendency for homosexuals to be prejudiced, heterophobic people who discriminate against the opposite sex and heterosexuals.

Many homosexuals like to "bad mouth" the opposite sex because they want to create ill will between the sexes. (To learn some of the sexist jokes homosexuals like to tell, and some of their racist jokes, see the book More Man Than You'll Ever Be by Joseph Goodwin, Indiana U Press, 1989.) For example, homosexuals might say something like "Women are just nags who marry for money." Many homosexuals would love to keep men and women apart. Let's not let them.

One last intriguing item "Girl Scout staffers writing in the book claim that roughly one in three of the Girl Scouts' paid professional staff is lesbian. " . What are all those lesbians doing there? Are they trying to take over the organization? To recruit young girls?

References

Michael Swift, "For the homoerotic order," Gay Community News (Boston), Feb. 15-21, 1987.
Mark Dennis, "AIDS and deep denial," Wall Street Journal, May 26, 1993, p. A19.
Martha Barron Barrett, Invisible Lives (NY William Morrow Co., 1989), p. 248.
Lillian Faderman, Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers (NY Columbia U Press, 1991), p. 212.
Dennis Altman, The Homosexualization of America, the Americanization of the Homosexual (NY St. Martin's Press, 1982), p. 222.
Simon LeVay and Elisabeth Nonas, City of Friends (Cambridge, MA The MIT Press, 1995), p. 61.
Eric Marcus, Making History (NY Harper Collins Publishers, 1992), p. 265.
Martin Duberman, About Time (NY Gay Presses of New York, 1986), p. 336.
Grant Pick, "Outward Mobility," Chicago Tribune, Feb. 7, 1993, section 10, p. 16.
Ernest Tucker, "Girlcott hits sexism at gay parade," Chicago Sun-Times, June 14, 1997, p. 11.
Altman, p. 222.
Tom King, "I am in love with Cher," Chicago Sun-Times, March 15, 2000, p. 50.
Jon Margolis, "Politics, fashion, parents' dreams," Chicago Tribune, Jan. 13, 1986, sec. 1, p. 13.
Duberman, p. 336.
Altman, p. 221.
Duberman, p. 337.
Duberman, p. 336.
LeVay, p. 158.
Frank Browning, A Queer Geography (NY Crown Publishers, Inc., 1996), p. 167.
Marcus, pp. 442-43.
Keith Boykin, One More River to Cross (NY Doubleday, 1996), p. 212.
Dan Perreten, "Moral Minority," Windy City Times, May 28, 1998, p. 15.
Kathryn Jean Lopez, "The Cookie Crumbles," National Review, Oct. 23, 2000, p. 32.

Thanks for reading

Elena

Peace AhmedBahgat,

There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?

jonny_k

Peace "sawtooth",

actually most STD's are going to be transfered via vaginal to penial intercouse. Only those ascosiated more wth blood transference are more likely to occur with anal intercourse.

JK- The anus contains harmful germs which are always there. The vagina would only contain such if the woman has been into adultery or had sex with many men. I believe GOD makes it very clear ion a subtle manner that Anal Sex is a devilish act. Maybe thats why the curse of GOD is on the male homos. We never see a community annihilated because of lesbianism though im ofcourse not saying that this is correct as per 235-6 BUT i can say that lesbianism is way not as bad as gayism.

ALSO because of the need for lubrication, condoms are more often used for anal than vaginal.

JK- Once the lust reaches climax condoms are often put aside. Besides the chance of a condom bursting are not low.

As for homosexuality being behaviour over biological, the jury is still out pending further study of chromosomal and cerebral differences between homo and hetero.

JK- Lets just hope that the "jury" is unbiased and not homos themselves. I beleieve that an unbiased jury will find that hs is not genetic or biological.

And for teh surgery to fix things, if you allow hormonal therapy to fix a homo, do you allow for gender reassignment to fix things n the other direction?

JK- I dont see why not.

And what of those born with both x and y chromosomes? Are they allowed to choose their gender based on how they FEEL or is that just behaviour and their gender should just be decided based on what is more physically pronounced in their body?

JK- If it is dangerous to his body that he chooses in the opposite sex direction of the one biologically preferred then the the other should be preferred. Otherwise he/she may choose. I dont see any problem here since ultimately GOD is controlling the mind of each individual anyways.

You are walking a fine line here between what is allowed or justified and what is not. It sounds more like it is up to the individual to once again "interpret" things to assist their means to and end..

JK- I dont think so. GOD doesnt prohibit us to choose out gender especially when there is a biological conflict due to our own errors committed in the past. Show me where He did? GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "elena",

Peace AhmedBahgat,

There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?

JK- But they dont have a "hidden agenda" which the homos apparently do and that is another very dangerous thing. However I beliueve the main culprit is "anal sex" and this is what I believe GOD condemns, if but subtly in the Quran. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "sawtooth",

and if someone IS born NATURALLY homosexual, should they fix it? (if they can) lives as they were made? or live the lie and fake it? Why should they be condemed to mental and emotional mysery because god made them that way. what possible offence is there before birth to allow for that, unless you believe in reincarnation?

JK- GOD does NOT make anyone a homo. Please refrain frrom attributing lies to GOD. If this were true then why did He condemn those who indulged in HS activities? Does this mean the Quran is wrong? Well according to the mathematical pattern ion the Quran the probabilty of this being the case is incredibly low. Moreover the repition of this event in the Quran from the Bible further confirms this as we know that the Quran confirms the previosu scriptures. Thus i cannot logically believe that GOD creates people as homos. GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "enquirer",

Not all gays indulge in anal-sex,indeed some straight couples do this.(i personally think it may be unhygenic and harmful).

JK- As long as they dont its ok but if they dont manage to control their lusts somehow itll ultimaely lead to that. Hetero couple who indulge in AS are as bad as gays doing that.

To compare a gay person with a child-molester is in-correct. Gay men/women have consented and should be making an informed choice.

JK- i agree regarding the comparison.

What about people born with both male and female organs? What choice should they make?

JK- depedns on the situation which includes personal choice and biological tendencies.

As for the organs only having one function(ie straight intercourse),well we also urinate through these organs-does this make them dirty?( we also use our bum for sitting on!) Is kissing wrong,beacause the mouth is meant for eating and talking?
Peace all.

JK- I never said that they have only one function. As ive been stressing the ultimate culprit is anal sex and ofcourse uncontrolled lust. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Peace AhmedBahgat,

There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?

Hello mate,

Sure, but the percentage in their community is far higher to be honest, I actually dealt with them years ago when i created a database for one of the gays and lesbians newspaper in Sydney, and to be honest every time I go to their premises I get disgusted from the many photos of male sexual organs on every bloody inch on the wall, their recepcenist was a man wearing a wig and waman cloth lol

Anyway i agree that some of them that are nice, but again there are more nicer people in the hetro community as well, therefore, all these comparisons are irrelevent, what is important to know and can't be hidden is, are the the homos buond to Hell?, the following may give an insight to the answer

Homosexuals Hellbound

Scripture Against Homosexual Acts

First lets take a look in the book of Genesis

?And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.?

?And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.?

?And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.?

God did not bring another man in front of Adam as an option for a mate! Next God clearly decides that Woman will be the official companion for Adam not a Man!

?And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;?

?And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.?

?And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.?

?Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh.?

?And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.?

This was Gods plan! Man and Woman!.. Not Man and Man or Woman and Woman.. It was never even an option! what made it an option in your life is you submitting to sick God forsaken thoughts.. and these same acts you think are harmless God takes very takes seriously.. Even animals stick to Gods code.. you're breaking HIS law and sending yourself to never ending nightmare called HELL. REPENT!

Next we will take a look at Sodom and Gomorrah.. was GOD disturbed with their sexual behavior? of course he was! that's why he blasted them with FIRE and sulfur balls that burned at 8000-12000 degrees.

?Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;?

?And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD?

?And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.?

GOD melted them into nothingness.. to this day they still are finding burnt up bones where Sodom and Gomorrah use to be.. after they melted into ash.. their spiritual body's were injected into a PIT in HELL and they are still screaming and scratching at the sides of their pits as you read this. Why? because they did not obey GOD?S law.

If you're willing to take the chance on thinking that you have everything figured out.. I am even frightened for you.. Think about the second you do die and you wake up in one of these PITS we are hearing about.. Its that second you will realize you had nothing figured out.. And that you should have been prudent.. you now will remain in a PIT and your spiritual body will burn forever as you claw at the sides of your pit.. Forever is a long time and a big chance.. I say why take the chance.. the Bible and the Quran are very REAL. Satan has worked very hard into making you feel laxed.. And into thinking GOD is way to nice to allow such a thing.. this is the trick! God is nice to his children.. if you're not obeying his laws you don't belong to him anymore.. You're considered a bastard and a criminal.

Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many sins not just Homosexuality.. But their sexual perversions were what did them in.. they were not tolerated by GOD. Judgment was swift and corrected the situation promptly.

God speaks against Homosexuals in the Old Testament.. GOD sounds like he means what he is saying

?Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination.?

?If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.?

?There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.?

The New Testament Speaks Against it
?For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature ?

?And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.?

?And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;?

?Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,?

?Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, ?

?Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful?

?Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.?
ROM 126-32]

?Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.?

The world today has become a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.. Things are not getting any better.. And believe me GOD is not sleeping.. Expect Judgment! When GOD decides to send his Mass Judgment on certain persons, cities, states, country's or the world itself... I pray that your soul is clean from sin.. because the judgment on earth is only the beginning.. Your last stop will be HELL! There is no time in HELL.. It is never ending torment.

Here are some quotes from "Jewish Literacy The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History" by Rabbi Joseph Telushkin, Chapter 7.

"...the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah signify one thing human wickedness. It therefore comes as a surprise to read the biblical chapters about Sodom and learn that the text specifies only two sins of the inhabitants extreme inhospitality to guests and Homosexual Rape (hence, the meaning of sodomy in English).

...In biblical Hebrew, "to know" also means to have sexual relations... Despite the scarcity of details, the Sodom story is mentioned repeatedly throughout the Bible. Some biblical prophets mention details of other Sodomite evils that are not specified in Genesis.

...(Ezekiel 1649-50) ... she did not aid the poor and needy ... In both the Bible and Talmud, Sodom becomes a byword for selfishness and cruelty.

... A number of years ago, some Israeli promoters of tourism suggested transforming the modern city of Sodom into a tourist mecca with casinos, nightclubs, and even strip shows. The Chief Rabbinate in Israel sharply demurred, warning that there was nothing to prevent God from destroying the city a second time. The plan was dropped.

The Stone Chumash adds, "The sulfurous fire that destroyed Sodom left its mark. Today, the area of Sodom is a desert that is rich in sulfur mines."

Sodomites and Anal Sex

?And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may KNOW them.?

"To know" means exactly the same thing it meant in Genesis 41

"And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."

If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, you know exactly what is meant by "to know". The Sodomites were setting themselves up to perform a Homosexual act in GEN 195.

Bisexual?
Being Bisexual is just as bad as being a Homosexual! who are you kidding? Do you think you will get a nicer PIT in HELL then the Homosexual? LOL

Let me help you understand this.. When you die you will be judged.. I do not care what you think you are or what religion you think is right, now.. Every single disgusting perverse act you do is marked against you! this is called SIN.. God is not letting your disgusting perverted soul into Heaven! You should be repenting and washing this filth off yourself.. If you continue with an "I don't care attitude" you're in for a big surprise! Because one day you just might wake up in another dimension.. And start screaming and burning and never stop screaming and burning.. You have heard some good news today.. that good news is the Bible and the Quran.. Check it out! If you are worshipping a Goat, Goddess Diana, Demons, Snakes, Birds, Earth, Wind, Satan, Buddha, Cats or Pigs.. whatever you think your sick beliefs are.. There all a one way ticket to HELL!.. Allah is waiting for you with open arms right now if you repent from this filthy and perverted act.

Are Homosexuals Really Hellbound?
According to the Bible Sodomites are in serious danger of Hellfire.. Homosexuals have to fight the unclean spirit that is causing them sin.. This isn't easy because the Homosexual demon is a powerful spirit.. And sets itself up in the persons life at a very young age most likely. And attaching itself directly to the persons soul.. by doing this is has full control over the persons thoughts.. This causes the person to actually think that these unclean thoughts are their own thoughts.. As time goes by the homosexual starts to accept these thoughts as being "who I am".. This "who I am" thinking advances into what's called as "coming out of the closet".. When this occurs the homosexual has become a powerful tool for Satan.

Satan loves homosexuals.. And will usually set them up with good careers in something Satan is in control of i.e.. Entertainment.. any form of the Media.. Satan wants them to grow.. The more homosexuals there are the more souls Satan gets to join in a Furnace of Fire.. GOD hates Homosexuality!.. By the homosexuals "coming out of the closet" they now will start thinking that GOD made them this way.. This is not true! Satan made you this way!.. As the homosexual starts to accept their new lifestyle.. they will start acting homosexual in public.. When this happens it encourages other homosexuals that were "on the fence" with the unclean spirit to step forward and act on their homosexual thoughts. This is like a domino effect.. You have seen it working over the years.

The Wake Up Call
Homosexuals are making huge advances in the world.. As you watch this.. You are actually watching Satan make advances in the world! God slowed it down with launching a plague on Homosexuals. He had to slow down this sickness because certain things have to happen like a Revival.. And homosexuals were advancing much to fast (Homosexual Wildfire).. This Death spirit God sent was also a wakeup call.. many homosexuals just adjusted and defended themselves with condoms and assumed AIDS was something that was not directed towards them since it also took out some drug addicts etc..

Its the Soul that is not innocent that God is worried about.. He is not happy when you send yourself to HELL.. In fact he has given you all the resources to defend yourself from this fate.. He sent his warnings to wash yourself from all sin and save yourself from HELLFIRE! Why are you sending yourself to HELL?

God Will Help
God knows what you are up against and will help you fight this wicked spirit.. I see homosexuals that have become religious and turned their life over to God.. And have been set free! Does it happen over night? NO! You have to work on it. God will throw the garbage out! and basically pull foul spirits off your soul.. You can speed this process up by prayer, fasting, deliverance and studying the word of God. God wants to see you fighting it.. When he sees you trying with all your heart.. You will be set free.. Some homosexuals are set free the second they accept God into their lives.. Again if this happens God may want to use you to set other Homosexuals free.. The reward for fighting the Homosexual spirit is LIFE.. You will save yourself from HELLFIRE! There is no better reward then this.

The Battle Field
About 75% of this battle will be fought in your own MIND.. since this spirit is linked to your soul.. The less you yield to your sick perverted thoughts.. The more ground you will gain.. after you gain it you must HOLD it by not slipping back.. This is direct combat with the homosexual demon.. It will increase its attack on you when it realizes you are fighting it.. So it will get worse before it gets better... when this happens rejoice! the demon is starting to worry about losing its control.. Keep fighting! And using deliverance prayers on the demon itself.. This is like hand to hand combat on the demon. God will help you fight this battle.. Remember that you were not born a homosexual.. And by fighting this Demon you're choosing LIFE and saving yourself from a deep pit filled with HELLFIRE!

The Message
Lets look back on Gods warnings for a minute.... It took Pharaoh 10 plague's to finally submit... He refused to think they were directed towards him.. It got to the point he had his witches try to mimic some of the signs God was giving Egypt.. The witches attempts were always pathetic.. But Pharaoh would always side with the witches because he didn't want to think that there was something higher in this world that could judge him. So God killed his baby boy!.. Then he got the message.. God is killing homosexuals!..

Demons Change Your Appearance
Over time the homosexual demon is so powerful it can actually change the appearance of the person.. This should no surprise you.. If a person is controlled by spirits of Hate .. they begin to have a dark look in their eyes.. And start to take on new characteristics in their appearance.. When you are controlled by the demon of Homosexuality you begin to look like a homosexual.. When this occurs the spirit is beginning to manifest in this persons life and is in full control. This also can be reversed when you start fighting this wicked spirit.. When the spirit is loosed from your soul your hormones will start working the way God designed them.

Homosexual Marriages
Today Homosexuals are getting married and considering this to be normal act under the eyes of the Living GOD. Homosexuals even think they have the right to torture a young childs mind with their perverted lifestyle by trying to adopt children.. This is basically like telling GOD not only will you not obey his covenent but you're going to pervert and distort it as much as you can.

Take this is a very REAL warning! This is such an abomination in the eyes of the Living GOD.. I cannot imagine what might happen to anyone promoting such acts.. This is such a deadly sin I will not comment too much on this subject.. I would compare this to what Jesus had to say about anyone who ever hurt a child in (MAT 186).. What Jesus is basically saying is before you even come close to such a sin of hurting a young child it is better to kill yourself before hand

?But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.?

?Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!?

Cheers

Elena

Peace "elena",

Peace AhmedBahgat,

There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?

JK- But they dont have a "hidden agenda" which the homos apparently do and that is another very dangerous thing. However I beliueve the main culprit is "anal sex" and this is what I believe GOD condemns, if but subtly in the Quran. GOD Bless!

Peace jonny,
apparently

then let's leave 'appearances' to not spread intolerance.

jonny_k

Peace "topo",

if the issue is actually the forbidden anal and oral sex, what about gay guys who are so gay who then do surgery to make 'fake' vagina? it will not allowed either?

JK- Why wont it be allowed? It is a type of corrective surgery and i dont see any problem with that.

if he has vagina, he can then marry his gay partner as the sexual intercourse would not be anal?

JK- And id say thats perfectly fine.

i used to live in indonesia, and there is this very religious moslem gay guy in indonesia who did surgery to be a woman, and he/she wears headscarf and everything, in fact she's a celebrity there. once she went to do hajj, and it was the time when many people were killed in Mina, and many religious nuts in indonesia blamed her for this. that it was the punishment from god because she is supposed to be a guy, but dresses up and behaves like a woman. is it fair to treat her like that?
you know guys, i think we need to start looking human being not by their gender. man or woman or transvestite or gay, they are all the same.

JK- It doesnt matter what the Hislamic hadithists say. What matters is what GOD tells us in the Quran. GOD Bless!

bmbmm

Hi,

Let get to the point. We need to help these people who have this psycological problem and they will be cured. It is a medical condition and these people are sick! They need help. Nations have been distroyed before because of this. Because they did not do anything about this problem. Now people, rather than considering it as a problem are promoting it and fighting for the rights of Gays, homos etc. There are also people around who have sex within the family. sisters/brothers, father/daughter, son/mother.....were do you want to draw the line??

jonny_k

Peace everyone,
Please read this article

...the social implications of evolutionary thinking. Now, I am not saying that if one holds to evolution he necessarily supports homosexuality. I am saying, however, that nearly all-homosexual leaders are evolutionists, and when pressed for justification of their homosexual life style and behavior, homosexual leaders almost always refer to evolution.

"We are descended from animals," they say; "we have certain animal desires that must be satisfied. Few animals mate for life. And many times animals of the same sex interact sexually. And didn?t all bisexual animals evolve from asexual animals?"

More sophisticated homosexuals would call the homosexual condition a "beneficial mutation." They are "born gay." Others point to certain animal groups, which lessen their reproduction rate when the population fills the ecological niche. "This is a way to fulfill one?s sexual needs without overpopulation; this is natural selection in action." The Bible calls such behavior "reprobate," and homosexual justifications such as are normally given must deny the Biblical mindset, which is founded in the creation of all things by a holy God, who created mankind male and female, in His image, with proper function in a marriage relationship.

Excerpt taken from http//www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1081
GOD Bless!