gay people and islam
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Hi topo,
i think gay marriage is one of the last issues that will go along with civil rights movement.
people today have accepted gender and race equality, yet there is one left to be struggled, the acceptance of gay marriage.Gay marriages have been approved in U.K . Elton John got married recently with david furnish. And gay people are given civil rights here as well.
Peace!
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Salam,
I have no problem with gay people, especially the ones who were born with the disorder. However I'm against some of their behaviors such as 'swinger lifestyle' and Im also against those 'gay recruiters' with their infamous line "How do you know you are not gay if you never try?" Lol
Peace
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i think i've been stuck in the small world called America whose people are so 'religious' that deny the rights of gay people and the rights of women to have abortion.
but yes, i heard about elton john too. it's not that i'm his fans, but i just think everyone has the rights to be legally married, either heterosexual or homosexual.
plus, the gay marriage shows that they are just as committed to marital institution as heterosexual people do.
as far as swingers lifestyle, i believe it's not acceptable lifestyle for anyone, either heterosexual or homosexual. and there are just as many heterosexual couples who engage in swingers lifestyle as homosexual couples are. it's not that they homosexual that make them swingers.
as far as sexual relationship is concerned, i think the most important thing is being monogamous to the partner, as having multiple sexual partners would put people more in the danger of STD. -
Peace "topo"
as far as sexual relationship is concerned, i think the most important thing is being monogamous to the partner, as having multiple sexual partners would put people more in the danger of STD.
JK- Please be a little more farsighted. Who guarantees that a homo relationship would last forever and who says that one of the two gays may not become hetero at one time in the future. He would obviously not inform his new wife or female sexual partner that he had been gay before because of shame and fear that she would most surely ignore him. Thus the acquired STDS are trnaferred to an innocent woman and onto her children. This goes on and on and ultimately the society ends in STDS which leads further to drugs, violence, bloodshed, total disaster. So no homosexuality of any kind should not be tolerated at all. Its not that i would go and beat them up. The people should put up laws to exile those involved in hs activities. GOD Bless!
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and nobody can guarantee either that a heterosexual relationship will last forever. aren't there so many heterosexual couples who got divorced and remarried for several times in their lives? doesn't this mean that heterosexual people can transfer STD from their previous wives or husbands to their new partners? why only heterosexual people who can get married and divorced and remarry again without being accused of trasferring STD? there is no evidence that only homosexual activities that will transfer std. every sexual intercourse, either hetero or homo, has the same risk of std.
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Peace "topo",
and nobody can guarantee either that a heterosexual relationship will last forever. aren't there so many heterosexual couples who got divorced and remarried for several times in their lives? doesn't this mean that heterosexual people can transfer STD from their previous wives or husbands to their new partners? why only heterosexual people who can get married and divorced and remarry again without being accused of trasferring STD? there is no evidence that only homosexual activities that will transfer std. every sexual intercourse, either hetero or homo, has the same risk of std.
JK- Heteros if they involve in anal sex, which is the issue, are as bad as homos. Otherwise while using the vagina it's ok. Diseases mostly arise from anal sex not vaginal. Anal sex is the culprit and it should be banned completely. Also let me tell you that hs is not genetic by any means. Nobody is born a homo. I personally was getting attracted to boys in school. I relaized immediately that it had nothing to do with my genes but with my inner evil intentions. I wanted to try out something new, more lust, more pleasure. Sometimes even now those evil thoughts come into my mind and after a few minutes i almost always realize how evil and satanic this is. I feel satan on my mind, i really do and i know that a homo once came to my mother into the clinic(shes a doctor) in germany and admitted that he felt in his heart that hs is completely wrong. Ive noticed from my own body experience that the human is capable of directing his lust at anything, at anything at all, even animals. If this is not stopped it gets out of control and after a few years we men would insert our private parts in every kind of thing and then it will be too late to stop the diseases as unknown viruses and extremely harmful ones utterly detsroy our immune system. GOD Bless!
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Hi topo,
I agree with ur views that homosexuality alone doesnt cause stds, swingers etc. Those are prevalent amongst heterosexuals as well. I have no problems with homosexual people. I understand them to be just as nice as any one else. As for their sexual interest, it doesnt concern me as long as its harmless and restricted amongst people with similar interest.
Im also against those 'gay recruiters' with their infamous line "How do you know you are not gay if you never try?" Lol
but I agree with jankren on this. This ''trying out'' has become popular amongst kids these days and some eventually become bisexuals, which I feel is wrong. coz they are taking it in the casual sense and playing around which is clearly wrong.
Just my opinion.
Peace!
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Peace "PM",
I agree with ur views that homosexuality alone doesnt cause stds, swingers etc. Those are prevalent amongst heterosexuals as well. I have no problems with homosexual people. I understand them to be just as nice as any one else. As for their sexual interest, it doesnt concern me as long as its harmless and restricted amonst people with similar interest.
JK- One leads to another. GOD says many times "do not TRANSGRESS" in the Quran which also implies sexual transgression as any transgression causes ruin to society in the long run and i believe ive explained that well enough above. Whether homos are nice people is not of importnace. Many corrupt businessmen are very nice and kind and when the time come they make a fraud with you that youd never want to see their face again in your life. So much for the nicity. You should heed GOD's Words in the Quran. It warns us aforehand of the people as GOD knows what we do not know and deep study always lead to the conclusion that the Quran was indeed true.
but I agree with jankren on this. This ''trying out'' has become popular amongst kids these days and some eventually become bisexuals, which I feel is wrong. coz they are taking it in the casual sense and playing around which is clearly wrong.
Just my opinion.
Peace!
JK- Yep thats devilish. And as i said its not restricted to hs but goes on to zoophillia too. Theres no end once ur sexual lust ets out of control just like drug addiction, NO, far worse. GOD Bless!
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Peace "topo",
does the quran literally forbid anal sex at all?
are there any verses in the quran about engaging anal sex?JK- Once agaian GOD asked us to use our brain and hence inference.
They ask you about menstruation say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."
Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.
From these verses one can infer that we should perform vaginal sex since that is wehere the seed is naturally supposed to enter. I believe GOD is using subtle language to imply the obvious. Also otherwise it wouldnt make much sense that GOD condemn homosexuality either. Putting the puzzle together we find anal sex is not what GOD wants. GOD Bless! -
Peace "sawtooth",
So basically it's ok to BE gay as long as you AT straight. BUT, isn't it a sin lie? even if it is only to yourself? Is it better to live a life never satified in love, faking everything you are or feel? or to be true to the way god made ya?
JK- As i said there is no genetical gayism. It maybe that due to a hormone problem your attracted to the same sex. In that case you can always visit a doctor and get a hormone therapy. GOD Bless!
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Peace "sawtooth",
So then it is OK to screw around with God's creation? besides hormone therapy is no simple thing. Plus there is evidence that homosexuality CAN have something to do with underdeveloped part of the brain. what then?
JK- Ofcourse corrective surgery is allowed and this is one case where it would be required. What to do if simaese twins are born? Even in that case it would be required? Or what if somebody is born with other correctable deformities? What about kleptomaniacs? The brain issue has not been proved and i dont believe it. How can an underdeveloped brain part cause someone to be a homo? Show me that evidence by neutral non homo scientists. Lets just suppose this underdeveoped brain theory is true. Do you know what neurologists claim? Everything is controlled by the brain and the human is nothing but a machine. Hence murder, rape etc are all because of some fault in the brain. Could well be claimed. Should we thus stop punishing them? I believe the answer is no. GOD Bless!
Note GOD does not create humans like that. It is because of the manipulations which humans have done to the envirnment through all their pollution, junk and perhaps even their sexual behaviours in the past that are responisble for such deformities. None is to blame but ourselves.
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if the definition of having intercourse in the manner designed by god is only vaginal, what about oral sex?
maybe this kind of thing that makes people oppose birth control too? that sexual intercoursee is 'designed' by god to make babies, thus birth control is not allowed, as it's against the nature of having sex itself? -
this issue has been quite sensitive, but we need to start discussing it in relation to islam as a progressive way of life. nobody wants to be born different from mainstream/normal form of life, much less to be born as gay. you can't ask not to be born as black, nor handicapped, nor gay.
Peace Topo
I can't imagine who would ask to not be born black.
Well anyway as for asking not to be born handicap that would be a condition that is not behavioral but physical.
Being gay is behavioral. You have a choice regarding behavior perversions. Otherwise why not have sex with children and animals. There are people with all sorts of behavioral abnormalities. Some of those people are really nice and fun too. Should be embrace them as well?
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this issue has been quite sensitive, but we need to start discussing it in relation to islam as a progressive way of life. nobody wants to be born different from mainstream/normal form of life, much less to be born as gay. you can't ask not to be born as black, nor handicapped, nor gay.
Peace Topo
I can't imagine who would ask to not be born black.
Well anyway as for asking not to be born handicap that would be a condition that is not behavioral but physical.
Being gay is behavioral. You have a choice regarding behavior perversions. Otherwise why not have sex with children and animals. There are people with all sorts of behavioral abnormalities. Some of those people are really nice and fun too. Should we embrace their behavior as well?
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Peace "topo",
and nobody can guarantee either that a heterosexual relationship will last forever. aren't there so many heterosexual couples who got divorced and remarried for several times in their lives? doesn't this mean that heterosexual people can transfer STD from their previous wives or husbands to their new partners? why only heterosexual people who can get married and divorced and remarry again without being accused of trasferring STD? there is no evidence that only homosexual activities that will transfer std. every sexual intercourse, either hetero or homo, has the same risk of std.
JK- Heteros if they involve in anal sex, which is the issue, are as bad as homos. Otherwise while using the vagina it's ok. Diseases mostly arise from anal sex not vaginal. Anal sex is the culprit and it should be banned completely. Also let me tell you that hs is not genetic by any means. Nobody is born a homo. I personally was getting attracted to boys in school. I relaized immediately that it had nothing to do with my genes but with my inner evil intentions. I wanted to try out something new, more lust, more pleasure. Sometimes even now those evil thoughts come into my mind and after a few minutes i almost always realize how evil and satanic this is. I feel satan on my mind, i really do and i know that a homo once came to my mother into the clinic(shes a doctor) in germany and admitted that he felt in his heart that hs is completely wrong. Ive noticed from my own body experience that the human is capable of directing his lust at anything, at anything at all, even animals. If this is not stopped it gets out of control and after a few years we men would insert our private parts in every kind of thing and then it will be too late to stop the diseases as unknown viruses and extremely harmful ones utterly detsroy our immune system. GOD Bless!
Peace JK
May the God reward your loan of righteousness and choosing of good over evil.
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Peace "topo",
if the definition of having intercourse in the manner designed by god is only vaginal, what about oral sex?
JK- Thats a good qs and i was just thinking about that too. Well i believe if we want to be completely honest then oral sex(insertion not mere licking id say) would also not be right.
maybe this kind of thing that makes people oppose birth control too? that sexual intercoursee is 'designed' by god to make babies, thus birth control is not allowed, as it's against the nature of having sex itself?
JK- I dont think so since nowehere do i find in the Quran a slightest hint that sex is their only or child birth. If that were the case then the clitoris would also be vestigial and i cant believe that. No, no i believe sex is meant both for childbirth and pleasure. The manner designated by GOD actually involves "clean sex". Read this underlined part of the following verse again
They ask you about menstruation say, "It is harmful; you shall avoid sexual intercourse with the women during menstruation; do not approach them until they are rid of it. Once they are rid of it, you may have intercourse with them in the manner designed by GOD. GOD loves the repenters, and He loves those who are clean."
And anal sex is definitely NOT clean. GOD Bless!