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    TheNabi
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    Peace Savage

    Those are my feelings as well.

    Joe

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      unknownuser
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      Peace KGB. you dont need to discuss with me. If you are delivering the clear message just translate those verses i gave to you for the benefit of
      the message to the forum. if you dont want to,are you not guilty of hiding clear verses? Im using your own logic. its not pleasant is it? I mean no harm or disrespect to you,and i wish you well. Can you not see how simplifications and entrenched opinions can be harmful? How are you convincing me about the value of the quran when you do not even justify your behaviour with verses? I am open-minded to what you may say.
      Peace and respect to you,ab and all.

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        savage_carrot
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        Peace Joe,

        I've started to think you are my long lost twin, born many years too late.

        Nadia

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          zenje
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          God never spoke any words to any man.
          That's your opnion. Everyone has one.

          Peace

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            unknownuser
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            The underlying point is...it has people wondering where all the serious quran based discussions have gone to...

            Good question! Not many people bother with the Quran Study section of the forum. I wonder why is that?

            Regards,

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              unknownuser
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              peace lote-tree. I think many people are missing your excellent point about inspiration.
              Peace nabi and savage-carrot. If threads on just opinions from the quran are needed then just state this on the top of the thread clearly,and people can know to keep a distance. By the way how did the messengers teach? With their own converts or to the general public as well? And did they run away from difficult questions? I thought the forum was open to everyone?
              Peace all.

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                zenje
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                Peace SC,

                That's fine, just don't interfere with discussions that require a quranic response then, yet this goes on unabated these days. If it was me starting a thread requiring a quranic response and the thread devolved into yet another 'why must we follow the quran?' and 'Hmm what is God after all'... I would be rightly pi$$ed.
                I think you just described atleast half the active threads around here, and growing.

                roll

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                  sawtooth
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                  Just keep in mind that the best way to strength of your faith as well as aquire a deeper understanding of it and how it truly effects the person you are, is to have it challenged by others

                  Just remember that faith should be more than what you have memorized from a book or even what you understand of it. Fath should be a practicle thing that has a direct effect on your life and how you react to others.

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                    savage_carrot
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                    Good question! Not many people bother with the Quran Study section of the forum. I wonder why is that?

                    Awesome question! Not many people bother with the 'purpose' of the forum/website and maybe delve upon the deeper meanings of "General Issues/ Questions". General Issues/Questions regarding God alone based on the quran? Or General Issues/Questions about chitter chatter? There is an Off Topic section made specially for this purpose...too bad it doesn't keep the idle chatter from spewing all over the place.

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace sawtooth. Truly wise words my friend. Our faith in things should stand up to scrutiny(and rational challenge).It should also(eventually) have an influence on our behaviour which is positive,decent and beneficial for all people that we meet.
                      Peace all.

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                        unknownuser
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                        Peace savage carrot. Are posts encouraging respect,peace and love for all life ,'chitter chatter?
                        Peace all.

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                          unknownuser
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                          Good question! Not many people bother with the Quran Study section of the forum. I wonder why is that?

                          Awesome question! Not many people bother with the 'purpose' of the forum/website and maybe delve upon the deeper meanings of "General Issues/ Questions". General Issues/Questions regarding God alone based on the quran? Or General Issues/Questions about chitter chatter? There is an Off Topic section made specially for this purpose...too bad it doesn't keep the idle chatter from spewing all over the place.

                          But these chitter chatter seems to generate a lot of interest. And yet no one bothers with the Quran Study Section? Why is that?

                          Why is this chittar chatter more interesting to many people?

                          Regards,

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                            unknownuser
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                            Also, can you show me ONE EXAMPLE of a prophet or messenger speaking disrespcetfully?

                            Peace bro

                            to answer your question above, sure here is the Quran answering you, we read in Prophet Noah story while he was building the Ark, that his people were mocking him, Noah responded by mocking them as they moked him, apply this on my case with PM, she mocked me first and I defended myself by mocking her second

                            "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark Every time that the chiefs of his people passed by him, they threw ridicule on him. He said 'If ye ridicule us now, we (in our turn) can look down on you with ridicule likewise!'"

                            " "

                            Clear as light bro, the arabic word is Sakhara which means to Mock or to Embarrass

                            I rest my case bro

                            peace be with you

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                              sawtooth
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                              So now god WANTS us to engage is silly name calling?

                              I think there either MUST be something you are missing here, or you just proved that the Korn is kind of a silly thig after all.

                              Or I just totaly missed what you said but i THINK you are saying that the Koran makes it OK for you to back and forth with silly same calling and mindless banter with people in a negative way.

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                                unknownuser
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                                So now god WANTS us to engage is silly name calling?

                                I think there either MUST be something you are missing here, or you just proved that the Korn is kind of a silly thig after all.

                                Or I just totaly missed what you said but i THINK you are saying that the Koran makes it OK for you to back and forth with silly same calling and mindless banter with people in a negative way.

                                you totally missed what it is all about

                                firstly God does does not want the humans to engage in name calling, I believe this is in personal matters, but if it is religiouosly linked, then Allah ordered us to respond tough

                                PM clearly mocked me using the Quran, therefore it is religiously linked and I can also consider it mocking the Quran in addition to mocking me.

                                exactly as Noah's people did, they mocked him religioulsy as if what he is doing is laughable and there is no God to punish neither to save any.

                                exactly as they are mocking prophet mohammad now. (religiously linked)

                                the true muslims must respond tough and on the same manner as the perpetrators did and can't be ignored (if it is religiously linked)

                                see, how you missed what i wrote

                                salam

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Peace Zenje,

                                  Peace brother,

                                  Keep it up D

                                  Looks like he needs another pat in the back. He actually used QURANIC VERSES to justify his vulgar comments. Thats sticking to Quran discussion in the thread, aint it?

                                  I so cant believe this nonsense.
                                  Is anyone allowed to have a difference of opinion? Or Will they get 'Righteously' pounded with 'vulgar remarks'?

                                  What's with the backlash? ? Is anyone else allowed to have a different opinion?... or is that reserved for homosexuals only. roll

                                  Talk about homophobia phobia! lol

                                  Peace people, let's continue the discussion civilly... yes that goes for everyone, me included.

                                  And does such call for fairness come only for people u agree with?

                                  Ps sorry for the sarcasm, but the encouragement of such language is disturbing.

                                  Peace!

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                                    sawtooth
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                                    So now god WANTS us to engage is silly name calling?

                                    I think there either MUST be something you are missing here, or you just proved that the Korn is kind of a silly thig after all.

                                    Or I just totaly missed what you said but i THINK you are saying that the Koran makes it OK for you to back and forth with silly same calling and mindless banter with people in a negative way.

                                    you totally missed what it is all about

                                    firstly God does does not want the humans to engage in name calling, I believe this is in personal matters, but if it is religiouosly linked, then Allah ordered us to respond tough

                                    PM clearly mocked me using the Quran, therefore it is religiously linked and I can also consider it mocking the Quran in addition to mocking me.

                                    exactly as Noah's people did, they mocked him religioulsy as if what he is doing is laughable and there is no God to punish neither to save any.

                                    exactly as they are mocking prophet mohammad now. (religiously linked)

                                    the true muslims must respond tough and on the same manner as the perpetrators did and can't be ignored (if it is religiously linked)

                                    see, how you missed what i wrote

                                    salam

                                    OK. So if it is religiously based one is allowed to stoop to name calling a silly banter. Stix and stones my friend. Wouldn't it be a greater honor to Allah if you were able to teach by an example as to show another person there is nothing to mock? this silly back and forth bickering is nothing more than schoolyard child's play. Hardly an adult reaction and hardly (from what I have learned) the way of one walks any true path of Islam. It seems to me you will pull certain versus and more importantly interpretations, in order to justify any behaviour you wish to exhibit. I hardly think that was the intention of the book. No great being would want to be used as justification for such silly behaviour.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      forget it saw,

                                      you actually should as you don't know allah neither you believe in him

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                                        sawtooth
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                                        Ah, but i DO know the creator and believe quite deeply. I just have a different name and a different way is all. I respect th fact that you believe in the creator as you do, I don't believe I have ever given you any reason to think that I don't, I just wish you could offer me the same respect.

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          Ah, but i DO know the creator and believe quite deeply. I just have a different name and a different way is all. I respect th fact that you believe in the creator as you do, I don't believe I have ever given you any reason to think that I don't, I just wish you could offer me the same respect.

                                          sure, the Quran talked about you actually

                                          cheers

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