gay people and islam

JHamza

Salaam All!
Ive stated my understanding of the Quran on this issue..and this is my last reply concerning it ..
I dont believe its something people are born with,thats like saying God created people to be gay then condemns them for being that way and God is not a sadist...as for hemerphadites(sp?),I cant explain this,but its probably just a medical deformaty,just like some people are born with a extra toe or finger..being born hemerphadite doesnt make them gay,We do have doctors,and now we have the technology to repair the defects by Gods blessings.And God has never condemned people just because they wer born with defects..but he does say that sexual relations between men are an abomination...so why keep using excuses to make it acceptable??(Dont need to answer,like I said this is my last reply on this subject)

Pologymy on the other hand has been discussed on this site already and I believe the FM/PM view is correct,that we can only marry more than one woman,if that woman is a widow and has children and under our care by an oath...and that it want cause hardship...

Peace

unknownuser

lol, Ab your last two spam attacks really make me question your sanity.

you question my sanity, and I question your sexuality lol

Let me summarise your posts.

no, no you don't need to, because i will ignore it, wink

I have no scientific data, nor have I done any research on sexual identity, but I'm right in my claims because I can put my text in bold
and use proper english. Failing that I will use really large bold blue fonts to scare you.

If that fails I will just keep hammering you taunts of Allah and Hell. However I'm nice guy because I can use words like peace, and quotes from the Quran

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ignored

bro, you haven't left your sunni mindest yet have you?

Bro, it is non of your business really

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat. Now you have made another accusation to burhan-21.
You seem to be quoting quran for your own benefit,or is it god telling you?

Peace all. Now do you see my problem with people saying ;'god says this or god says that'?(its all personal opinions).
Problem with literal 'eye' for 'eye' is that we could all end up blind.

Ahmedbhaghat;do you think you are a good advert for islam and quranic morality? What about verses in quran about; 'saying only the best things'?
And decent speech?
I really sincerely hope you think about what you are saying and respect other people.
I wish you Peace ab.

unknownuser

peace ahmedbhaghat.

hello

Now you have made another accusation to burhan-21.

well, he is questioning my sanity (first) and I'm questioning his sexuality (second) , what is wrong with that?

you have to also consider that being crazy is an insult from both perspectives "mine and his" but being a homo is only an insult from my perspective, as being a homo from his perspective is normal and fine

see, he insulted me indirectly and I did't "from his perspective"

don't you consider his question an accusation mister biased?, opps that is a third accusation now wink , how about you sue me for defamation? lol

You seem to be quoting quran for your own benefit,or is it god telling you?

lol , what benefit exactly? and for the second part, no God didn't tell me anything directly but I read His words in the Quran a lot

Ahmedbhaghat;do you think you are a good advert for islam and quranic morality?

I don't consider myself representing islam, I only represent myself but I will leave the whole matter to God, as I don't care what you think really or others including the family members because as a general rule the people who will say the truth will always be opposed that is happeneing since Adam if you know history well, and I didn't make this truth up, it is the truth as written in the clear Quran.

What about verses in quran about; 'saying only the best things'?
And decent speech?

bring the verses and walk me through it please then I will refute it with other verses

I really sincerely hope you think about what you are saying and respect other people.
Peace.

and I sincerely hope that you listen to the true message of God in the Quran

regarding respect, i only respect the ones who respect me, I don't charity respect

salam

unknownuser

enq.

I edited my last comment and added a question to you, please read it again

thanks

unknownuser

Peace ahmedbhaghat. 1753. Please publish and explain this verse for me. Thank you.

unknownuser

Peace ahmedbhaghat. 1753. Please publish and explain this verse for me. Thank you.

salam

not now as it is 223 am and I have to go to bed, I may look at it tomorrow

I added an argument to you, in my second last comment at the first paragraph, i hope you respond to it

salam

unknownuser

enq

no need to wait till tomorrow, yeh i know the verse, but it seems you ignored the following crystal clear facts

she is opposing the clear law of Allah in His quran and promoting it and in the way she manipulated the clear verses to suit her needs by saying the warning was to the hetros who were born hetros and not to the homos who were born homos, what non sense is that?, my duty as stated in the Quran to fight her, exactly as Prophet Lut did, he is an example to us and I will always take him as an example for guidance
she was the one who delibertly intimidated me by directing a silly comment to a comment that was not for her, therefor and logically speaking she is the first who pepetrated
She assumed that I'm a future homo (first), and I assumed that she is a past homo (second)

see, the verse you posted does not apply here, point 1 above is enough if i decided to act on the highest islamic level and forgive her regarding 2 and 3, but I decided not to, that is because point 1 above was inclusive and that is more important to me and has higher priority than 2 and 3

good night

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

I thought I already posted this but i cant seem to find it

Brother, please correct your speech.

I have been shown a post you made on this thread where you are becoming disrespectful.

As I was going through the posts to find it and show it here, I came across onother post by you that I will use as evidence below

Ahmed
what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Allah will never save the filthy homos, that is His law darling

Brother, this is in no way acceptable. As you know, I do not agree with homosexuality, but this gives us no right to speak in such disrespectful manner to others and to accuse them of that which you have not witnessed. I will submit this to Layth and the other moderators to make a decision. How many times will you have to be warned to control your emotional responses?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

I thought I already posted this but i cant seem to find it

Brother, please correct your speech.

I have been shown a post you made on this thread where you are becoming disrespectful.

As I was going through the posts to find it and show it here, I came across onother post by you that I will use as evidence below

Ahmed
what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Allah will never save the filthy homos, that is His law darling

Brother, this is in no way acceptable. As you know, I do not agree with homosexuality, but this gives us no right to speak in such disrespectful manner to others and to accuse them of that which you have not witnessed. I will submit this to Layth and the other moderators to make a decision. How many times will you have to be warned to control your emotional responses?

thanks bro

but she also said a silly comment to me that I could not accept it, it is her duty to herself to refrain herself from commenting to me especially when my comments are directed to others

this is not about homsexuality here, she used to respect me but lately she does not which is fine and her freewill, but i don't have to take her rubbish either bro

please be fair

I think the best that both of us ignore each other and I will do that from this moment

regarding the word filthy, well, the Quran roughly described them as such as well the Quran used the word criminals to describe them

thanks and good night

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

What was he comment that was made to you?

KGB

Look like another person is going to get banned because he is defending the Qur'an message. He is saying what is right not what is popular in the Western societies. So sad Ahmad Baghat I will miss you.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

KGB, what part of the "quranic message" says to speak disrespectful to people? If you can show me where there is ANY EXAMPLE of a prophet or messenger speaking the way Ahmed has done, then there will be no problem.

The good response is not equal to the bad response, remember that verse?

I wait to see what verse you provide.

KGB

Peace Be Upon You Kyle

Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!

Ahmad Bahgat replied to this post direct personal attack. There are people who get away with anything they say and than there are people who get banned replying to personal attacks.

unknownuser

Peace KGB and all. The context in which i understood peacefulmuslims comment was legitimate.(in my understanding and opinion) It sounded like food for thought;eg why do people need something to be prohibited in a book in order for them not to do it? If i cause unnecessary harm to someone then i know for myself(because of experience) that this is wrong. I believe the quran is being turned into an idol.(which contradicts the message people claim it promotes. ! ) The only thing i think peaceful-muslim could have done would have been to make her comment with different words,soften it,imply it, or not say it at all. I believe we all have to address our comments to the 'level' of the listener.(i dont mean that in a patronising way). Ab seems a 'sensitive' guy which is why i do not reply to his posts with comments which he might take as harsh or attacking him. I try to follow the philosophy of trying to calm someone down,not adding fuel to the fire.
If you re-read the last few pages of the thread then you would note the downward spiral of events. I believe a valuable lesson can be learned from this,try to make peace or understanding with opinions not argument,disorder,attacks and emotions. I am married,believe me i know the value of peace and compromise. ! shock
Please,increase the peace.

unknownuser

Peace all. I dont know why we cant put this episode behind us,without arguing or negativity. How can we pass on a message of peace while arguing between ourselves unnecessarily? What about tolerance and forgiveness? We all have bad days and all make mistakes. I personally give everyone a new clean slate. .
After all,we are all family...the family of life...
Peace all.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Enquirer,

I agree, which is why my posts have decreased and with that said will come to an end on this topic for now. I am sure it will be revisited when this cycle comes back D

unknownuser

Hi all,

This thread has degraded to ridiculous levels now.
Enquirer, Savage Carrot and Idolfree1, Thanks for ur kind words.
SC, U r right, its disgusting.

There has been display of absolute immaturity in this thread. Why is that each person who was talking in favour of non discrimination of homosexuals, had to shout their lungs out constantly in every other post that he/she is not a homosexual ? becoz its an easy assumption to make? I think many even when to the extent of saying how happily married they were, how many children they have etc....

Inspite of all this, u get to hear words such as this

so please homo activists, take your B S with the homo bashers, we are not homo bashers, we only saying the truth and we know the truth will be hurtful, but sorry, that is the truth your God told us, if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol , but we fear God who prohibited it, you don't fear Him, fine, take it with Him when He questions you, but please stop shoving that filth into our throats, ok, just keep it in your bed room, and if you want to teach the children this sort of fake tolerance, fine, do it with your own kids in your home, and don't shove it upon the throats of innocent children in public schools

this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous

This is so ridiculous.
Why cant people digest diference in opinions peacefully? And why such covenient assumptions?

And I didnt see the need to justify my remark here, but looks like others are taking the trouble.
My remark to AhmedBahgat was based on his own words

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

It striked me as a disgusting thing to say...........is there no end to this crap?
He implies if it wasnt prohibited in Quran, he would possibly try out homosexuality..

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

Using ur own words, ''this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous''.

Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!

I have not implied that he will try homosexuality in future (as he claims). I have merely replied to his own post where in he said 'if it wasnt prohibited we will be homos with u and sleeping together''

All I can say to that is YEEKS! He can do whatever he wants but the 'sleeping together' part along with the assumption that the others here r homos, is disgusting.

Peace!

Ps Peace Enquirer, I agree with u. I could have refrained from that comment. I always have. But what went through my mind was 'Is there no end to this?''

unknownuser

peace peacefulmuslim and all. I agree with a lot of your points sister.
I agree there are times when you need to say what is on your mind to try to correct a misunderstanding.(this can also make peace in the longer term). I did feel bad when those comments were directed at you and others,but i try to transcend 'negative' comments to the best of my ability.(similiar to idol-free. ). I hope you find it in your heart to forgive ab,i feel from your posts you are intelligent,peaceful and mature.(male intuition. )
Peace all. Ps;i was the one talking about my wife and children. D

unknownuser

Peace Enquirer,

My response to AhmedBahgat has only been

Peace AHmedBahgat,

Some of ur replies are quite shocking and quite impolite.
I believe its u who said this, to which my response was based.

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

U dont get it , do u? We are not saying anyone choosing homoseuality is a good thing. We are talking of people who have been born with the orientation. If all this is beyond ur understanding, so be it. But please refrain from making personal remarks about people u know nothing of.

what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Peace!

I wasnt going to write what I wrote in my previous post coz I didnt see the need to justify and I also wanted to be polite.
But then looks like I had to. ops

Peace!