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    Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

    PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

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      Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

      PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

      Bold I never heard of Brills dictionary. Could explain it to me?

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        He is likely referring to
        http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

        You can get it here
        https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

        I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          He is likely referring to
          http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

          You can get it here
          https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

          I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

          Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

          Salaam

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            TellMeTheTruth
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            Salam & Thanks, Wakas! )

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              Mazhar
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              Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

              Salaam

              Another source of semantics of Quran.

              It lists all the Roots, and words stemming from them that occur in Qur'aan, with their morphological specifications;

              Semantic field -concept of Root; ayahs where used; plus related Roots; and link to Lane's Lexicon and classical lexicons.

              Semantics of Quran

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                Mazhar
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                http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                  Mazhar
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                  Roots

                  The language of Grand Qur?n is Arabic language of the exalted universal Messenger-Spokesperson of Allah the Supreme Sovereign, and of sons of soil of Arabian peninsula.

                  Arabic words, nouns and verbs, stem from Roots. Root is a cluster of three, in some cases four or rare five, consonants of Alphabet placed in a peculiar sequence. Out of 29 letters of Arabic alphabet, Aleph is not a consonant since it has no sound, hence it is never the part of a Root. All 28 consonants may function as root radicals. However, there are no roots with identical consonants in the first and second position while at the second and third position radicals of a root can be the same consonant. Such roots are termed geminate roots.

                  Though a combination of three unique consonants can constitute six Roots, for example consonants

                  , and make these Roots - - - - - ; the Roots are determined and fixed. No new Root can be structured.

                  Roots are comparable to proper names as both are with unique semantic reference. However, there is a profound difference between proper names and roots. The former designate identifiable entities with real existence, whereas root is pure abstraction. The root is the common element shared by its derivatives.

                  The Root has specific, defined, distinct, conspicuous and apparent concept, phenomenon, perception and signification folded in it. It is the source, the reservoir of knowledge. Roots can be termed as "repertory of frames" of Arabic language if we follow frames approach to semantic analysis.

                  The amazing fact about the Roots of Arabic is that the perception infolded in them is reflective of physical?scientific realities pertaining both to matter and life. They seem as if they are the baseline for scientific study and investigation.

                  For semantics, Root is like the first of trinucleotide sequence of anticodon. It is well know that vocabulary is of vital importance in language study because it is the essence of a language. Linguist D. A. Wilkins (1972) has the famous line "Without grammar very little can be conveyed, without vocabulary nothing can be conveyed. (p.11)".

                  That book is conveniently understandable which uses minimum vocabulary of the language. The entire vocabulary of Grand Qur?n, nouns and verbs, stems from just 1646 Roots. Therefore, at preliminary stage, we should feel pleased that learning the skill for real-time translation of Qur?n is rendered facilitative by the use of a small part of otherwise large vocabulary of Arabic in its discourse. If we merely run through the basic perception infolded in these Roots, we will gain a fairly good understanding of meanings of the words of Grand Qur?n, even before learning the meanings added by other features of the language; morphology and syntax.

                  Classical tradition employs the word Root, but in reality, the concept resembles exactly to a "seed" which is either monocotyledon or dicotyledonous and contains the DNA to sprout and grow into a plant in a specific environment. "Seeds" of Arabic language have distinction of monocotyledon-nominal and dicotyledonous-verbal. Unique assemblage and sequencing of consonants is like a DNA that encodes complete tree of a unique concept-field of understanding which "germinates" in specific environment.

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                    You may find the Amharic/Ethiopic - English Dictionary by TO Kane (OTTO HARRASSOWITZ, WIESBADEN, GERMANY, 1990) very interesting with regard to root words in the Al Quran. Unfortunately, for easy and efficient use of the dictionary, you may to work with someone who speaks Ethiopic/Amharic.

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                      Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

                      Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

                      Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

                      EXAMPLE
                      Classical Arabic Lexicons
                      Maqayis Al-Lugha
                      Kitab Al-Ayn
                      Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

                      Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

                      Missing meanings.
                      Nahl Bee (Fixed)
                      Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

                      I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

                      Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

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                        The_Sardar
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                        Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

                        Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

                        Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

                        EXAMPLE
                        Classical Arabic Lexicons
                        Maqayis Al-Lugha
                        Kitab Al-Ayn
                        Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

                        Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

                        Missing meanings.
                        Nahl Bee (Fixed)
                        Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

                        I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

                        Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

                        Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

                        Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

                        kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

                        kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

                        LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

                        Could someone have a look at this?

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                          Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

                          Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

                          kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

                          kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

                          LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

                          Could someone have a look at this?

                          Salamun alaikum.

                          You raise few delicate issues, they are delicate only because of confusion spread by some scholars; otherwise it was simple and plain.

                          Root

                          Ibn Faris stated

                          ( &#1577

                          .

                          .

                          , .

                          That firstly it leads to the perception opposite to loneness, solitary; secondly signifies surrounding, circling a thing by another, and thirdly an organ as part of organs. The first perception is that of all, subtotal.

                          And that signifies the sword by itself, whole, solitary; and likewise signifies as verbal noun a state of one being all by himself, solitary, whole

                          Some secondary ideas, such as those of the whole, the part, the like, and the different, which are usually designated in English by adjectives, prepositions, or compound words, are expressed in Arabic by substantives, taking the primary substantives, to which they are attached, in the genitive, such as http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/4.gif It is always in construct.
                          When used elliptically-extremely concise in writing, it always has the "nunation of compensation"

                          When the first radical is accusative it refers to whole entity - all by himself/itself ? http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/19.gif Noun/Quasi Active participle Singular, masculine; nominative; and http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun Indefinite; accusative, referring to a person who is not only all by himself but in biological relationship also has only one surviving parent and may have only one son.

                          http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1270).htm

                          For detailed analysis of http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif please read here

                          http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                            Rilum
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                            Peace all, Salam Aleikum everyone.

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                              The_Sardar
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                              Salam/Peace.

                              It seems there is a root word that is missing it's meaning in PRL

                              Nun-Kaf-Lam =

                              ankal n.m. (pl. of nikl) 7312

                              nakal n.m. 266, 538, 7925

                              nakkala vb. (2) n.vb. 484

                              Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 292 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nkl

                              No meaning is sighted sadly.

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                                Mazhar
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                                Root

                                Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                                a) Total occurrences 5

                                b) No of constructions 4 All Nouns

                                Ibn Faris stated

                                ( &#1577

                                That it leads to the perception of preventing, barring, restraining, hindering.

                                http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1501).htm

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                                  Wakas
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                                  Sorted now.

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

                                    Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                                    ba'uda vb. (1)
                                    perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                                    n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                                    ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                                    ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                                    ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                                    LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                                    Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

                                    http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

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                                      In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

                                      Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                                      ba'uda vb. (1)
                                      perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                                      n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                                      ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                                      ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                                      ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                                      LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                                      Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

                                      http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/3.gif

                                      (1)2120(2)2164(3)2178(4)2181(5)2259(6)308(7)380( 382(9)386(10)390(11)3100(12)3106 (13)4165(14)512(15)532(16)594(17)5108(1668(1)671 (20)756(21)785(22)789(23)806(24)928 (25)966(26)974(27)9115(21032(29)1110(30)1245(31)1337(32)1665(33)1670(34)1691(35) 1694(36)2157(37)2315(32455(39)2529(40)2711(41)2887(42) 3019(43)3024(44)3050(45)3432 (46)3509(47)3888(44241(49)4505(50)4506(51)4911(52)5717(53)6501(54)6507(55)6604(56) 6813(57)7930=57

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                                      Red is NOT a phrase. The second element of is elided since in the context it is explicit. after having reached them the Hadith of Allah and His verbal passages.

                                      Root

                                      Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                                      a) Total occurrences 235

                                      b) No of constructions 28

                                      It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

                                      Nouns 25 Recurrence 232 Verbs 3

                                      . .

                                      That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

                                      Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

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                                        Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594

                                        594
                                        Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
                                        This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.

                                        Now in the red is shaqqoo (&#1575 & yushaqqi (&#1602 and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange

                                        Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.

                                        shaqqa vb. (1)
                                        perf. act. 8026
                                        impf. act. 2827
                                        n.vb. 8026
                                        pcple. act. 1334

                                        shiqq n.m. 167

                                        shuqqah n.f. 942

                                        shaqqa vb. (3)
                                        perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
                                        impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
                                        n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152

                                        tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044

                                        inshaqqa vb. (7)
                                        perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
                                        impf. act. 1990

                                        LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq

                                        I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

                                        You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf

                                        I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.

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                                          Peace The Sardar
                                          Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
                                          Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
                                          My understanding.
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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