Project: 'Root List'

[The_Sardar]

Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

EXAMPLE
Classical Arabic Lexicons
Maqayis Al-Lugha
Kitab Al-Ayn
Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

Missing meanings.
Nahl Bee (Fixed)
Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

[The_Sardar]

Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

EXAMPLE
Classical Arabic Lexicons
Maqayis Al-Lugha
Kitab Al-Ayn
Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

Missing meanings.
Nahl Bee (Fixed)
Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

Could someone have a look at this?

[Mazhar]

Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

Could someone have a look at this?

Salamun alaikum.

You raise few delicate issues, they are delicate only because of confusion spread by some scholars; otherwise it was simple and plain.

Root

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

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That firstly it leads to the perception opposite to loneness, solitary; secondly signifies surrounding, circling a thing by another, and thirdly an organ as part of organs. The first perception is that of all, subtotal.

And that signifies the sword by itself, whole, solitary; and likewise signifies as verbal noun a state of one being all by himself, solitary, whole

Some secondary ideas, such as those of the whole, the part, the like, and the different, which are usually designated in English by adjectives, prepositions, or compound words, are expressed in Arabic by substantives, taking the primary substantives, to which they are attached, in the genitive, such as http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/4.gif It is always in construct.
When used elliptically-extremely concise in writing, it always has the "nunation of compensation"

When the first radical is accusative it refers to whole entity - all by himself/itself ? http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/19.gif Noun/Quasi Active participle Singular, masculine; nominative; and http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun Indefinite; accusative, referring to a person who is not only all by himself but in biological relationship also has only one surviving parent and may have only one son.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1270).htm

For detailed analysis of http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif please read here

http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

[Rilum]

Peace all, Salam Aleikum everyone.

[The_Sardar]

Salam/Peace.

It seems there is a root word that is missing it's meaning in PRL

Nun-Kaf-Lam =

ankal n.m. (pl. of nikl) 7312

nakal n.m. 266, 538, 7925

nakkala vb. (2) n.vb. 484

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 292 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nkl

No meaning is sighted sadly.

[Mazhar]

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 5

b) No of constructions 4 All Nouns

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

That it leads to the perception of preventing, barring, restraining, hindering.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1501).htm

[Wakas]

Sorted now.

[The_Sardar]

In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

ba'uda vb. (1)
perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

[Mazhar]

In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

ba'uda vb. (1)
perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/3.gif

(1)2120(2)2164(3)2178(4)2181(5)2259(6)308(7)380( 382(9)386(10)390(11)3100(12)3106 (13)4165(14)512(15)532(16)594(17)5108(1668(1)671 (20)756(21)785(22)789(23)806(24)928 (25)966(26)974(27)9115(21032(29)1110(30)1245(31)1337(32)1665(33)1670(34)1691(35) 1694(36)2157(37)2315(32455(39)2529(40)2711(41)2887(42) 3019(43)3024(44)3050(45)3432 (46)3509(47)3888(44241(49)4505(50)4506(51)4911(52)5717(53)6501(54)6507(55)6604(56) 6813(57)7930=57

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Red is NOT a phrase. The second element of is elided since in the context it is explicit. after having reached them the Hadith of Allah and His verbal passages.

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 235

b) No of constructions 28

It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

Nouns 25 Recurrence 232 Verbs 3

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That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

[The_Sardar]

Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594

594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.

Now in the red is shaqqoo (&#1575 & yushaqqi (&#1602 and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange

Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.

shaqqa vb. (1)
perf. act. 8026
impf. act. 2827
n.vb. 8026
pcple. act. 1334

shiqq n.m. 167

shuqqah n.f. 942

shaqqa vb. (3)
perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152

tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044

inshaqqa vb. (7)
perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
impf. act. 1990

LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq

I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf

I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.

[good_logic]

Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[The_Sardar]

Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

[Mazhar]

It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 28

b) No of constructions 20

Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

. .

That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

[The_Sardar]

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 28

b) No of constructions 20

Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

. .

That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4

I shall place the arabic text of 591-4

591
Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu

592
Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari

593
Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari

594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi

[TellMeTheTruth]

Salam!

I am confused about the below word

(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

Peace!

[Mazhar]

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

[Mazhar]

Salam!

I am confused about the below word

(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

Peace!

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
1701

An example but from same Root

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

[TellMeTheTruth]

Salam Dear Mazhar!

You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

Peace!

[Mazhar]

Salam Dear Mazhar!

You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

Peace!

is broken plural; is singular.

You cannot show example of its use as a verb

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

[The_Sardar]

اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

Broken plural? That's a first for me.