Project: 'Root List'

The_Sardar

Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594

594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.

Now in the red is shaqqoo (&#1575 & yushaqqi (&#1602 and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange

Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.

shaqqa vb. (1)
perf. act. 8026
impf. act. 2827
n.vb. 8026
pcple. act. 1334

shiqq n.m. 167

shuqqah n.f. 942

shaqqa vb. (3)
perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152

tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044

inshaqqa vb. (7)
perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
impf. act. 1990

LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq

I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf

I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.

good_logic

Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

The_Sardar

Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

Mazhar

It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 28

b) No of constructions 20

Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

. .

That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

The_Sardar

Root

Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

a) Total occurrences 28

b) No of constructions 20

Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

Ibn Faris stated

( &#1577

. .

That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4

I shall place the arabic text of 591-4

591
Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu

592
Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari

593
Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari

594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi

TellMeTheTruth

Salam!

I am confused about the below word

(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

Peace!

Mazhar

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

Mazhar

Salam!

I am confused about the below word

(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

Peace!

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
1701

An example but from same Root

http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

TellMeTheTruth

Salam Dear Mazhar!

You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

Peace!

Mazhar

Salam Dear Mazhar!

You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

Peace!

is broken plural; is singular.

You cannot show example of its use as a verb

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

The_Sardar

اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

Broken plural? That's a first for me.

good_logic

Peace The Sardar.
I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
But I like the entertainment.
OK it is serious stuff.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.

Mazhar

Broken plural? That's a first for me.

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

TellMeTheTruth

Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

Peace!

huruf

A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

Salaam

Mazhar

Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

Peace!

The context and collocates help determining the meanings and etymology of similarly spelled words.

In Lane's Lexicon
is also applied as an epithet to a woman, (Mgh, Msb,) when the woman is mentioned; but otherwise is used as the fem. you say, , like as you say, . (Msb.) The pl. is (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K) and (accord. to several authors, pls. of , TA) (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K the first of these forms of pl. is proper to epithets applied to those who are hurt or afflicted in their bodies or their intellects

TellMeTheTruth

Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

Peace!

Mazhar

Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

Peace!

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

Please see that this verbal sentence is the Relative clause for the preceding Relative masculine singular pronoun. Other words collocating with it in the sentence reveal it is not noun of Root . But is verb of Root . Anyone familiar with basic rules, he knows that its first Hamza is of Form-IV. This stem is formed by prefixing (a-) and dropping the vowel of the first radical.

The_Sardar

Salam/Peace brother Wakas. I have this received from brother Quran Centric when i asked him about the root definition of Salat. This is what he showed. I hope you can add this in PRL - Project Root-List.
I think it's from http//www.baheth.info/ or http//lisaan.net/

P.S The image is big.

https//i.imgur.com/XLs5Vxn.jpg

The_Sardar

Salam/Peace. There is a word i found in 2718 which is wâdi (واد) which is from WAW-DAL-YA but it's missing it's meaning in PRL.

Waw-Dal-Ya = to pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.

diyah n.f. 492, 492

wadi (pl. awdiyah) 9121, 1317, 1437, 2012, 26225, 2718, 2830, 4624, 7916, 899

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wdy

In Lane's Lexicon i found this

https//i.imgur.com/VPxZa3C.png