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    TellMeTheTruth
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    Salam!

    I am confused about the below word

    (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
    (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

    How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

    Peace!

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      Mazhar
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      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

      This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

      Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

      The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

      This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

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        Mazhar
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        Salam!

        I am confused about the below word

        (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
        (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

        How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

        Peace!

        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

        The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
        1701

        An example but from same Root

        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
        Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

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          TellMeTheTruth
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          Salam Dear Mazhar!

          You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
          You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

          means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

          I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
          I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

          Peace!

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            Mazhar
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            Salam Dear Mazhar!

            You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
            You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

            means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

            I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
            I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

            Peace!

            is broken plural; is singular.

            You cannot show example of its use as a verb

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

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              The_Sardar
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              اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
              http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

              Broken plural? That's a first for me.

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                good_logic
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                Peace The Sardar.
                I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
                He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
                Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
                In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
                But I like the entertainment.
                OK it is serious stuff.
                GOD bless you both.
                Peace.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Broken plural? That's a first for me.

                  https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

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                    TellMeTheTruth
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                    Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                    However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                    https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

                    given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                    Peace!

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                      huruf
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                      A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

                      Salaam

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                        Mazhar
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                        Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                        However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                        given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                        Peace!

                        The context and collocates help determining the meanings and etymology of similarly spelled words.

                        In Lane's Lexicon
                        is also applied as an epithet to a woman, (Mgh, Msb,) when the woman is mentioned; but otherwise is used as the fem. you say, , like as you say, . (Msb.) The pl. is (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K) and (accord. to several authors, pls. of , TA) (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K the first of these forms of pl. is proper to epithets applied to those who are hurt or afflicted in their bodies or their intellects

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                          TellMeTheTruth
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                          Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                          Peace!

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                            Mazhar
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                            Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                            Peace!

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

                            Please see that this verbal sentence is the Relative clause for the preceding Relative masculine singular pronoun. Other words collocating with it in the sentence reveal it is not noun of Root . But is verb of Root . Anyone familiar with basic rules, he knows that its first Hamza is of Form-IV. This stem is formed by prefixing (a-) and dropping the vowel of the first radical.

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                              The_Sardar
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                              Salam/Peace brother Wakas. I have this received from brother Quran Centric when i asked him about the root definition of Salat. This is what he showed. I hope you can add this in PRL - Project Root-List.
                              I think it's from http//www.baheth.info/ or http//lisaan.net/

                              P.S The image is big.

                              https//i.imgur.com/XLs5Vxn.jpg

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                                The_Sardar
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                                Salam/Peace. There is a word i found in 2718 which is wâdi (واد) which is from WAW-DAL-YA but it's missing it's meaning in PRL.

                                Waw-Dal-Ya = to pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.

                                diyah n.f. 492, 492

                                wadi (pl. awdiyah) 9121, 1317, 1437, 2012, 26225, 2718, 2830, 4624, 7916, 899

                                Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wdy

                                In Lane's Lexicon i found this

                                https//i.imgur.com/VPxZa3C.png

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                                  The_Sardar
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                                  Salam/Peace everyone.

                                  I found the word baAAda (بعد) which is a accusative time adverb and i checked the root word in PRL and that's Ba-Ayn-Dal and it seems the meaning "after" seems to be missing

                                  Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                                  ba'uda vb. (1)
                                  perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                                  n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                                  ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                                  ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                                  ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                                  LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                                  I found the meaning "after" in Lane's Lexicon in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000262.pdf

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                                    a) Total occurrences 235

                                    b) No of constructions 28

                                    It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

                                    Nouns 25 Recurrence 232; Verbs 3

                                    . .

                                    That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

                                    Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

                                    It is used to mention an event taking place later than another event; something remaining, Time adverb http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/6.gif is always in construct.

                                    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/12.gif It is adverb of place distance - distant http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/15.gif far

                                    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

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                                      The_Sardar
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                                      Salam/Peace brother Wakas, you should add a root word in the page "ALIF" and it's Alif-Dal-Alif (ا ذ ا) which is the root word of ʾiḏā (إِذَا)

                                      You can check here for information

                                      http//ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=26,ll=76,ls=5,la=49,sg=43,ha=26,br=46,pr=12,vi=63,mgf=46,mr=39,mn=15,aan=34,kz=30,uqq=8,ulq=274,uqa=22,uqw=119,umr=44,ums=28,umj=40,bdw=31,amr=16,asb=22,auh=74,dhq=19,mht=11,msb=11,tla=22,amj=27,ens=1,mis=1

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                                        woke
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                                        hello take a look at this site it talks about root words and explained ba-da-la very clearly. they used lanes lexicon https//thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/

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                                          personalquran
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                                          Dear all,

                                          Project Root List is a powerful Quran study tool and our newly launched web application (https//www.personalquran.com) integrates with PRL making it very convenient and fast to view corresponding PRL entry for the root of selected word in Quran verses. No more switching windows here and there, you can now see the PRL entry right from the very word of Quran verse you select within the app!

                                          Please check it out.

                                          Peace,
                                          Personal Quran

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