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    TellMeTheTruth
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    Salam Dear Mazhar!

    You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
    You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

    means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

    I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
    I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

    Peace!

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      Mazhar
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      Salam Dear Mazhar!

      You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
      You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

      means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

      I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
      I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

      Peace!

      is broken plural; is singular.

      You cannot show example of its use as a verb

      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

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        The_Sardar
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        #146

        اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

        Broken plural? That's a first for me.

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          good_logic
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          Peace The Sardar.
          I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
          He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
          Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
          In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
          But I like the entertainment.
          OK it is serious stuff.
          GOD bless you both.
          Peace.

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            Mazhar
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            Broken plural? That's a first for me.

            https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

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              TellMeTheTruth
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              Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

              However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

              https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

              given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

              Peace!

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                huruf
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                A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

                Salaam

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                  Mazhar
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                  Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                  However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                  given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                  Peace!

                  The context and collocates help determining the meanings and etymology of similarly spelled words.

                  In Lane's Lexicon
                  is also applied as an epithet to a woman, (Mgh, Msb,) when the woman is mentioned; but otherwise is used as the fem. you say, , like as you say, . (Msb.) The pl. is (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K) and (accord. to several authors, pls. of , TA) (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K the first of these forms of pl. is proper to epithets applied to those who are hurt or afflicted in their bodies or their intellects

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                    TellMeTheTruth
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                    Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                    Peace!

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                      Mazhar
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                      Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                      Peace!

                      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

                      Please see that this verbal sentence is the Relative clause for the preceding Relative masculine singular pronoun. Other words collocating with it in the sentence reveal it is not noun of Root . But is verb of Root . Anyone familiar with basic rules, he knows that its first Hamza is of Form-IV. This stem is formed by prefixing (a-) and dropping the vowel of the first radical.

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                        The_Sardar
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                        Salam/Peace brother Wakas. I have this received from brother Quran Centric when i asked him about the root definition of Salat. This is what he showed. I hope you can add this in PRL - Project Root-List.
                        I think it's from http//www.baheth.info/ or http//lisaan.net/

                        P.S The image is big.

                        https//i.imgur.com/XLs5Vxn.jpg

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                          The_Sardar
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                          Salam/Peace. There is a word i found in 2718 which is wâdi (واد) which is from WAW-DAL-YA but it's missing it's meaning in PRL.

                          Waw-Dal-Ya = to pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.

                          diyah n.f. 492, 492

                          wadi (pl. awdiyah) 9121, 1317, 1437, 2012, 26225, 2718, 2830, 4624, 7916, 899

                          Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wdy

                          In Lane's Lexicon i found this

                          https//i.imgur.com/VPxZa3C.png

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                            The_Sardar
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                            Salam/Peace everyone.

                            I found the word baAAda (بعد) which is a accusative time adverb and i checked the root word in PRL and that's Ba-Ayn-Dal and it seems the meaning "after" seems to be missing

                            Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                            ba'uda vb. (1)
                            perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                            n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                            ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                            ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                            ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                            LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                            I found the meaning "after" in Lane's Lexicon in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000262.pdf

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                              Mazhar
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                              Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                              a) Total occurrences 235

                              b) No of constructions 28

                              It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

                              Nouns 25 Recurrence 232; Verbs 3

                              . .

                              That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

                              Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

                              It is used to mention an event taking place later than another event; something remaining, Time adverb http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/6.gif is always in construct.

                              http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/12.gif It is adverb of place distance - distant http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/15.gif far

                              http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

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                                The_Sardar
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                                Salam/Peace brother Wakas, you should add a root word in the page "ALIF" and it's Alif-Dal-Alif (ا ذ ا) which is the root word of ʾiḏā (إِذَا)

                                You can check here for information

                                http//ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=26,ll=76,ls=5,la=49,sg=43,ha=26,br=46,pr=12,vi=63,mgf=46,mr=39,mn=15,aan=34,kz=30,uqq=8,ulq=274,uqa=22,uqw=119,umr=44,ums=28,umj=40,bdw=31,amr=16,asb=22,auh=74,dhq=19,mht=11,msb=11,tla=22,amj=27,ens=1,mis=1

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                                  woke
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                                  hello take a look at this site it talks about root words and explained ba-da-la very clearly. they used lanes lexicon https//thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/

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                                    personalquran
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                                    Dear all,

                                    Project Root List is a powerful Quran study tool and our newly launched web application (https//www.personalquran.com) integrates with PRL making it very convenient and fast to view corresponding PRL entry for the root of selected word in Quran verses. No more switching windows here and there, you can now see the PRL entry right from the very word of Quran verse you select within the app!

                                    Please check it out.

                                    Peace,
                                    Personal Quran

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                                      personalquran
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                                      Dear all,

                                      Please find below a sample screenshot (plus explanation) of Word by Word screen in which the application shows corresponding PRL entry for the word selected by the user.

                                      https//d1iju0wyuqgb5k.cloudfront.net/screenshot/wordbyword.png

                                      No more switching windows here and there!

                                      Peace,
                                      Personal Quran

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Root ن ق م

                                        Words from this Root in the Grand Qur’ān

                                        a) Total occurrences 17

                                        b) No of constructions 10

                                        Nouns 3; Recurrence 7; Verb 7; Recurrence 10

                                        (لسان العرب)
                                        النَّقِمةُ والنَّقْمةُ المكافأَة بالعقوبة

                                        That it signifies award with retribution, punishment.

                                        Lane Lexicon 1 نَقَمَ عَلَيْهِ He exacted vengeance upon him, punished him see an ex. voce ابدى in art. بدو. See 8. اِنْتَقَمْتُ مِنْهُ I took, or executed, vengeance on him, or inflicted penal retribution on him, for that which he had done (JK or I punished him; (S, Msb, K as also مِنْهُ ↓ نَقَمْتُ, (Msb, K,) and عَلَيهِ, (TA,) aor. نَقِمَ. نِقْمَةٌ Vengeance; or penal retribution.

                                        اردو میں انتقام مستعمل ہے۔معنی١ - بدلہ۔ عوض۔ پاداش

                                        انتقام سے منسوب انتقام سے تعلق رکھنے والی کارروائی جو انتقام کی غرض سے ہو، جیسے انتقامی جذبہ، انتقامی کارروائی۔

                                        اردو میں فارسی زبان سے مستعار لیا ہوا لفظ ـ’پاداش‘اس مادہ کے تصور کے زیادہ قریب ہے۔

                                        اردو زبان کے مروجہ تراجم میں اللہ تعالیٰ کے لئے ’انتقام لینے والا‘ اور ’بدلہ لینے والا‘مناسب نہیں ہیں۔جرم کی سزا دینے کو انتقام لینا اور بدلہ لینا کہنا مناسب نہیں۔جرم کی سز دینا مقتدر کی ذمہ داری اور استحقاق ہے۔

                                        Passion/emotion is not associated when retribution is by the Sovereign awarded to a subject held guilty of crime. Thereby, the sense of revenge is not there.

                                        Semantic domain Punishment

                                        Frame Index
                                        Definition
                                        An Agent (the punisher or rewarder) performs a Response_action on an Evaluee for a Reason, the Evaluee's actions or beliefs. Means and Instrument may also be indicated. The goal of the punishment/reward is to discourage/encourage the actions or beliefs. Words in this frame presuppose that a judgment of the Evaluee has occurred and that the Evaluee is (or becomes) aware of the judgment. This judgment was performed by a cognizer which is either the same as the Agent, or, minimally, a representative of the same institution.
                                        Core
                                        Agent
                                        Semantic Type Sentient The Agent is the person doing the rewarding or punishing.

                                        Evaluee Evaluee is the person or thing about whom/which a judgment has made and to whom reward/punishment is dealt. With verbs, the Evaluee is typically expressed as Object.

                                        Reason
                                        Semantic Type State_of_affairs Typically, there is a constituent expressing the Reason for the Agent's judgment.

                                        Ayahs where it occurs are given in the Link
                                        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1492).htm

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          Root ج ھ د

                                          Words from this Root in the Grand Qur’ān

                                          a) Total occurrences 41

                                          b) No of constructions 18

                                          It occurs in 36 Ayah in 19 Sura

                                          Nouns 8 Recurrence 14; Verbs 10 Recurrence 27

                                          Ibn Faris stated

                                          (مقاييس اللغة)

                                          الجيم والهاء والدال أصلُهُ المشقَّة، ثم يُحمَل عليه ما يقارِبُه. يقال جَهَدْتُ نفسي وأجْهَدتوالجُهْد الطَّاقَة.

                                          That its original meaning is discomfort, toil - hard work - work hard; thereby it signifies physical and mental labour and striving according to ability and capability.

                                          Semantic domain Strive - struggle - participate in war.

                                          Hostile_encounter
                                          Definition
                                          This frame consists of words that describe a hostile encounter between opposing forces (Side_1 and Side_2, collectively conceptualizable as Sides) over a disputed Issue and/or in order to reach a specific Purpose.
                                          Issue An unresolved question over which the two sides of a hostile encounter are in disagreement.

                                          make great efforts to achieve or obtain something.

                                          struggle or fight vigorously.

                                          to try very hard to do something or to make something happen, especially for a long time or against difficulties.

                                          Lane Lexicon

                                          Classical Lexicons

                                          Grand Qur’ān has built in lexicon for its important words and terms. It exposes the perception and meanings of its important words in a picturesque manner. It exposes the meanings of its important words by using it in different semantic fields whereby one can perceive all its dimensions relating to substance as well accident including metaphorical aspect. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words picturesquely by relationships and contrasts.

                                          http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(250).htm

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