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    good_logic
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    Peace The Sardar
    Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
    Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
    My understanding.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      The_Sardar
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      Peace The Sardar
      Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
      Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
      My understanding.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

      It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

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        Mazhar
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        It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

        Root

        Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

        a) Total occurrences 28

        b) No of constructions 20

        Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

        Ibn Faris stated

        ( &#1577

        . .

        That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

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          The_Sardar
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          Root

          Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

          a) Total occurrences 28

          b) No of constructions 20

          Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

          Ibn Faris stated

          ( &#1577

          . .

          That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

          http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

          Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4

          I shall place the arabic text of 591-4

          591
          Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu

          592
          Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari

          593
          Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari

          594
          Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi

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            TellMeTheTruth
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            Salam!

            I am confused about the below word

            (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
            (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

            How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

            Peace!

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              Mazhar
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              http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

              This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

              Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

              The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

              This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

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                Mazhar
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                Salam!

                I am confused about the below word

                (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
                (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

                How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

                Peace!

                http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

                http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

                The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
                1701

                An example but from same Root

                http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
                Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
                http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

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                  TellMeTheTruth
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                  Salam Dear Mazhar!

                  You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                  You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                  means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                  I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                  I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                  Peace!

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                    Mazhar
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                    Salam Dear Mazhar!

                    You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                    You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                    means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                    I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                    I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                    Peace!

                    is broken plural; is singular.

                    You cannot show example of its use as a verb

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

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                      The_Sardar
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                      اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
                      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

                      Broken plural? That's a first for me.

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace The Sardar.
                        I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
                        He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
                        Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
                        In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
                        But I like the entertainment.
                        OK it is serious stuff.
                        GOD bless you both.
                        Peace.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Broken plural? That's a first for me.

                          https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

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                            TellMeTheTruth
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                            Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                            However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                            https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

                            given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                            Peace!

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                              huruf
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                              A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

                              Salaam

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                                Mazhar
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                                Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                                However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                                given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                                Peace!

                                The context and collocates help determining the meanings and etymology of similarly spelled words.

                                In Lane's Lexicon
                                is also applied as an epithet to a woman, (Mgh, Msb,) when the woman is mentioned; but otherwise is used as the fem. you say, , like as you say, . (Msb.) The pl. is (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K) and (accord. to several authors, pls. of , TA) (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K the first of these forms of pl. is proper to epithets applied to those who are hurt or afflicted in their bodies or their intellects

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                                  TellMeTheTruth
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                                  Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                                  Peace!

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                                    Peace!

                                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

                                    Please see that this verbal sentence is the Relative clause for the preceding Relative masculine singular pronoun. Other words collocating with it in the sentence reveal it is not noun of Root . But is verb of Root . Anyone familiar with basic rules, he knows that its first Hamza is of Form-IV. This stem is formed by prefixing (a-) and dropping the vowel of the first radical.

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                                      The_Sardar
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                                      Salam/Peace brother Wakas. I have this received from brother Quran Centric when i asked him about the root definition of Salat. This is what he showed. I hope you can add this in PRL - Project Root-List.
                                      I think it's from http//www.baheth.info/ or http//lisaan.net/

                                      P.S The image is big.

                                      https//i.imgur.com/XLs5Vxn.jpg

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                                        The_Sardar
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                                        Salam/Peace. There is a word i found in 2718 which is wâdi (واد) which is from WAW-DAL-YA but it's missing it's meaning in PRL.

                                        Waw-Dal-Ya = to pay the blood money, pay a fine as expiation for human life, compensate for murder.

                                        diyah n.f. 492, 492

                                        wadi (pl. awdiyah) 9121, 1317, 1437, 2012, 26225, 2718, 2830, 4624, 7916, 899

                                        Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 305 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=wdy

                                        In Lane's Lexicon i found this

                                        https//i.imgur.com/VPxZa3C.png

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                                          The_Sardar
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                                          Salam/Peace everyone.

                                          I found the word baAAda (بعد) which is a accusative time adverb and i checked the root word in PRL and that's Ba-Ayn-Dal and it seems the meaning "after" seems to be missing

                                          Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                                          ba'uda vb. (1)
                                          perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                                          n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                                          ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                                          ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                                          ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                                          LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                                          I found the meaning "after" in Lane's Lexicon in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000262.pdf

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