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  • The_SardarT Offline
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    The_Sardar
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    Salam/Peace.

    It seems there is a root word that is missing it's meaning in PRL

    Nun-Kaf-Lam =

    ankal n.m. (pl. of nikl) 7312

    nakal n.m. 266, 538, 7925

    nakkala vb. (2) n.vb. 484

    Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 292 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nkl

    No meaning is sighted sadly.

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      Mazhar
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      Root

      Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

      a) Total occurrences 5

      b) No of constructions 4 All Nouns

      Ibn Faris stated

      ( &#1577

      That it leads to the perception of preventing, barring, restraining, hindering.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1501).htm

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        Sorted now.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          The_Sardar
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          In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

          Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

          ba'uda vb. (1)
          perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
          n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

          ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

          ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

          ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

          LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

          Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

          http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

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            Mazhar
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            In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

            Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

            ba'uda vb. (1)
            perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
            n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

            ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

            ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

            ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

            LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

            Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

            http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/3.gif

            (1)2120(2)2164(3)2178(4)2181(5)2259(6)308(7)380( 382(9)386(10)390(11)3100(12)3106 (13)4165(14)512(15)532(16)594(17)5108(1668(1)671 (20)756(21)785(22)789(23)806(24)928 (25)966(26)974(27)9115(21032(29)1110(30)1245(31)1337(32)1665(33)1670(34)1691(35) 1694(36)2157(37)2315(32455(39)2529(40)2711(41)2887(42) 3019(43)3024(44)3050(45)3432 (46)3509(47)3888(44241(49)4505(50)4506(51)4911(52)5717(53)6501(54)6507(55)6604(56) 6813(57)7930=57

            (

            Red is NOT a phrase. The second element of is elided since in the context it is explicit. after having reached them the Hadith of Allah and His verbal passages.

            Root

            Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

            a) Total occurrences 235

            b) No of constructions 28

            It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

            Nouns 25 Recurrence 232 Verbs 3

            . .

            That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

            Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

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            • The_SardarT Offline
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              The_Sardar
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              #136

              Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594

              594
              Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
              This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.

              Now in the red is shaqqoo (&#1575 & yushaqqi (&#1602 and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange

              Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.

              shaqqa vb. (1)
              perf. act. 8026
              impf. act. 2827
              n.vb. 8026
              pcple. act. 1334

              shiqq n.m. 167

              shuqqah n.f. 942

              shaqqa vb. (3)
              perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
              impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
              n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152

              tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044

              inshaqqa vb. (7)
              perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
              impf. act. 1990

              LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq

              I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

              You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf

              http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf

              I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.

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                good_logic
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                Peace The Sardar
                Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
                Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
                My understanding.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  The_Sardar
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                  #138

                  Peace The Sardar
                  Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
                  Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
                  My understanding.
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

                  It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

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                    Mazhar
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                    It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

                    Root

                    Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                    a) Total occurrences 28

                    b) No of constructions 20

                    Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

                    Ibn Faris stated

                    ( &#1577

                    . .

                    That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

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                      The_Sardar
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                      #140

                      Root

                      Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                      a) Total occurrences 28

                      b) No of constructions 20

                      Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

                      Ibn Faris stated

                      ( &#1577

                      . .

                      That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

                      Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4

                      I shall place the arabic text of 591-4

                      591
                      Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu

                      592
                      Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari

                      593
                      Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari

                      594
                      Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi

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                        TellMeTheTruth
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                        Salam!

                        I am confused about the below word

                        (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
                        (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

                        How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

                        Peace!

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                          Mazhar
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                          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

                          This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

                          Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

                          The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

                          This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

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                            Mazhar
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                            Salam!

                            I am confused about the below word

                            (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
                            (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

                            How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

                            Peace!

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

                            The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
                            1701

                            An example but from same Root

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
                            Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
                            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

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                              TellMeTheTruth
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                              Salam Dear Mazhar!

                              You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                              You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                              means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                              I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                              I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                              Peace!

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                                Mazhar
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                                Salam Dear Mazhar!

                                You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                                You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                                means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                                I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                                I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                                Peace!

                                is broken plural; is singular.

                                You cannot show example of its use as a verb

                                http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

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                                  The_Sardar
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                                  اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
                                  http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

                                  Broken plural? That's a first for me.

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace The Sardar.
                                    I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
                                    He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
                                    Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
                                    In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
                                    But I like the entertainment.
                                    OK it is serious stuff.
                                    GOD bless you both.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Broken plural? That's a first for me.

                                      https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

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                                        TellMeTheTruth
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                                        Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                                        However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                                        https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

                                        given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                                        Peace!

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                                          A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

                                          Salaam

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