Contradictions and inconsistencies in the quran?
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nice strawman mq. You didnt adress anything i said, and handed me your personal oppinion about my intellectual honesty. is that what your idol tells you to do?
that's because I wasn't talking to you but enquirer. Enquirer claims that people are asserting that al-quraan permits no other revelation or path. This shows his utter lack of research, that's all. Sorry if my lack of clarity confused you.
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Peace nadeem. Your method and comments seem very commendable. And your analysis of evil in wartime is a sobering thought for all of us.
I agree that evil is caused by innappropriate acts or indifference,we can negate evil by trying to rectify its causes in the most peaceful way. -
Don't forget the crux of the issue. Contradictions in the quran. Please, let's stick to them. Next thing we hear will be, God is an idol (wasn't there some poster who said something along those lines?)...no, your mind is an idol, hell whatever you know is an idol. Let's just talk about contradictions in a book which 'claims' to come from God okay? Not the phone/math book line of reasoning please.
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nice strawman mq. You didnt adress anything i said, and handed me your personal oppinion about my intellectual honesty. is that what your idol tells you to do?
that's because I wasn't talking to you but enquirer.
yes about me, wich on its own is pretty damn rude, given that im part of the conversation. is that another model of behaviour that your idol tells you to have?
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Don't forget the crux of the issue. Contradictions in the quran. Please, let's stick to them. Next thing we hear will be, God is an idol (wasn't there some poster who said something along those lines?)...no, your mind is an idol, hell whatever you know is an idol. Let's just talk about contradictions in a book which 'claims' to come from God okay? Not the phone/math book line of reasoning please.
its a shame you dont see how these issues are connected, and that you refuse to use what is the foundation of human logic. If that is the case, how can we even debate something as contradictions as we come from 2 very different places, logic wise.
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Peace mquran. Are you my spokesman? You struggle to interpret my words,never mind a 1400 year old document... D
Enquirer is asserting that SOME people claim the quran permits no other path or true revelation.
By the way how do you interpret 385 and 319 in the light of your obvious pluralisitic,tolerant,open-minded opinions? D -
What's a shame? That you don't understand premises in logic when dealing with contradictions in a book that claims to have none? Or that the subject matter is drifting from the subject as is usual?
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yes about me, wich on its own is pretty damn rude, given that im part of the conversation. is that another model of behaviour that your idol tells you to have?
I was talking to Enquirer ABOUT Enquirer. I didn't read your post and so I didn't comment about it. Enquirer was responding to you and I responded to his response which was indicative of his grasp of the issue. You or your post do not come into it whatsoever.
As for the Quran being my idol, that's your opinion which shows you do not adhere to the Quranic concept of 'ilah' , 'rabb' ,'deen' and 'ibada'. No problem though, that's your business, only that I don't share your approach.
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What's a shame? That you don't understand premises in logic when dealing with contradictions in a book that claims to have none? Or that the subject matter is drifting from the subject as is usual?
No not at all. but you start out with setting a debate frame that says i cant use normal human logic. Then please tell me, what kind of a logic, does Quran require?
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I was talking to Enquirer ABOUT Enquirer.
sorry i misunderstood then.
As for the Quran being my idol, that's your opinion which shows you do not adhere to the Quranic concept of 'ilah' , 'rabb' ,'deen' and 'ibada'. No problem though, that's your business, only that I don't share your approach.
ok, so how about concepts such as fred, k?rlighed, forst?else, indlevelse ?
Are you argueing by using half arabic, that it can only be understood in arabic. Now think hard, because if you say yes, you have proven my point.
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Peace savage carrot. Why do you feel the need to tell people what they can and cannot address,it might not be relevent to you,but to others it may be.
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Peace mquran. Are you my spokesman? You struggle to interpret my words,never mind a 1400 year old document...
Enquirer is asserting that SOME people claim the quran permits no other path or true revelation.
By the way how do you interpret 385 and 319 in the light of your obvious pluralisitic,tolerant,open-minded opinionsWow, what a total lack of integrity. I've already explained to you your 'contradiction' claim and you can't even deal with it. Quoting 3/85 and 3/19 shows your narrow interpretation of 'al-islaam' and 'aslama' not to mention your inability to follow what's being discussed in this forum. It's obvious that your level of research is very shallow and that I am very sorry to say.
Listen, thanks for your participation but I really cannot waste my time with people like yourself.
If you wish to forward me a full list of contradictions, kindly send it to [email protected] and I will publish them along with my responses when I have the time. Till then, i'm sure you can find another victim whose time you can unduly waste with your rants. Peace.
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Explain to me your definition of 'human' logic. How does the fact that the quran being in arabic negate the fact that it is for mankind? Does mankind have a universal language? Any language is as good as the other to give concepts that are universal.
Why didnt God chose mandarin? that would cover way more people at one time? Why does all the messages that stay come out of the same limited area? Is europeans not godly enough to receave messengers and messenges?
Brilliant 'human' logic. Are you really asking the question that all the messages that stay come out from the same limited area and then at the same time why didn't the quran come down in mandarin? Didn't the messages stay regardless of the language? Are people not aware of these messages? Can the messages not be translated? Or should a language magically stay the same throughout time and this language should gradually take over the world and thus God will have more bang for His buck lol If only God would send His angels wink
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ok, so how about concepts such as fred, k?rlighed, forst?else, indlevelse ?
I don't know them and so obviously do not evaluate my being by them.
Are you argueing by using half arabic, that it can only be understood in arabic. Now think hard, because if you say yes, you have proven my point
I am saying, the concept of 'idol' as you apply it doesn't work in my world-view which I try to make Quranic. I root my semantics in Quranic text and to me, making the Quran my idol would be to kiss it and put it on top-shelves. What I do is to try to follow it and this, ACCORDING TO QURANIC WORLD-VIEW, is the worship of Allah. So by this, i disagree with your judgement. Peace.
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Quoting 3/85 and 3/19 shows your narrow interpretation of 'al-islaam' and 'aslama'
MQ, this would be funny if it wasnt so sad. So YOUR interpretation is the one that isnt narrow?
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ok, so how about concepts such as fred, k?rlighed, forst?else, indlevelse ?
I don't know them and so obviously do not evaluate my being by them.
Are you argueing by using half arabic, that it can only be understood in arabic. Now think hard, because if you say yes, you have proven my point
I am saying, the concept of 'idol' as you apply it doesn't work in my world-view which I try to make Quranic. I root my semantics in Quranic text and to me, making the Quran my idol would be to kiss it and put it on top-shelves. What I do is to try to follow it and this, ACCORDING TO QURANIC WORLD-VIEW, is the worship of Allah. So by this, i disagree with your judgement. Peace.
peace
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Explain to me your definition of 'human' logic.
nice try. its not MY definition. The definition is a=a at all times, based on the data presented. So if a=a, then a=a aswell. Wich is why my arguemtn of "from God" is p?erfectly valid within the framwork of human logic as defined by our history.
How does the fact that the quran being in arabic negate the fact that it is for mankind? Does mankind have a universal language? Any language is as good as the other to give concepts that are universal.
Thats the thing. It is hard to swap languages at an older age, and become so good at them that you understand details. I can read here that a lot of the understanding of the Quran is in fact in the details. So where does that leave me? in the hands of other peopels interpretations. If God truely send a message for all to read, dont you think all would have it in their own language, or would that be too hard for God?
Brilliant 'human' logic. Are you really asking the question that all the messages that stay come out from the same limited area and then at the same time why didn't the quran come down in mandarin?
nice try 2, so what is the flaw here in your oppinion? Is it a fact that it comes out of the same little areas? bnecause it is a fact that the first line containing mandarine had nothing to so with the text after the period?.
Didn't the messages stay regardless of the language?
oh yes, the catholic church are a blazing example of this.
Are people not aware of these messages?
they are? where?
Can the messages not be translated?
apparently not. tell me good sis, what is salat?
Or should a language magically stay the same throughout time and this language should gradually take over the world and thus God will have more bang for His buck lol If only God would send His angels wink
No i dont want angels, i want something that makes sense, altso when im not forcing sense into it. its not something unreasonable to demand, is it?
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Peace mquran. You can tell someones integrity through a computer screen? WOW. I thought only allah knows whats in the hearts... D
I suggest you evaluate yourself critically,and control your emotions...im sure the quran would say something similar too...or are only your interpretations valid?... D Ps;an idol doesnt just have to be a rock my friend,it can be an unverified,dogmatic mindset as well. -
Salaams all , Magi,
Magi said "It is states that it is a Quran in arabic for all mankind"
Hey magi where does it state this -- As i can't find this anywhere?
Thanks - anybody.
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peace savage carrot. What magi is saying is correct,why would god send a universal message in one language when we all speak different languages...
The universal language is conscience my people,we all possess a natural inclination to try to do right...Even the quran suggests this. Why should we be at the mercy of dogmatic people who have little clue about gods messages except their own linguistic tools and intellectual dogmas and desires? ps;what is an angel? And what is salat in this clear book?