Does the quran guarantee equal human rights for all people...?
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Arnold,
The knife cuts the hands and henceforth abilities/resources/means to steal by those very hands gets cut off. The knife, the cut, the hands are all key words that weigh in. I never said anything about "whole" hand and neither do I mean an 'arm'. You are playing with words here. Just marking an hand doesn't cut off ones abilities. Besides Shabbir Ahmed, who talks about 'yad' which is never directly mentioned in those verses but exercises the aftermath as stated above, almost all other scholars agree with me including Ahmed Ali. So you are once again plainly wrong on both counts. Lastly, these were barbaric acts that happened prior to, during and after Muhammad's time (the jahilia period). Since you are studying theology, you must know this. If not, then do your own historical research.
Peace,
No, i don't play with words here, i just asked a question, plus aydi is the plural of yad. So the cut of the abilities/resources still apply perfectly. And Ahmed Ali doesn't agree with you, in his translation he gives an explenation of this verse where he agrees that it refers to abilities of stealing being cut of by imprisonment and that 1231 is linked with this verse, and that more likely 1231 refers to cutting of the ability to peel, you probably only have the online version which misses he explenations, if you find the book, check page 113. And during the Umayad period, people were flogged..........
So again, please proof aydi(plural yad) cannot mean abilities/resources in these verses.
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Aydi is the plural of Yad.............
I kow that. So what relations does it have with a "knife". Are we going in circles again?
yad n.f. (dual yadan, plural aydi) 266, 279, 279, 295, 297, 2195, 2237, 2249, 2255, 33, 326, 350, 373, 3182, 443, 462, 477, 491, 56, 511, 511, 528, 528, 533, 538, 546, 546, 548, 564, 564, 564, 594, 67, 692, 693, 717, 757, 7108, 7124, 7149, 7195, 851, 870, 914, 929, 952, 967, 1037, 1170, 1231, 1250, 12111, 1311, 149, 1729, 1857, 1964, 2022, 2071, 20110, 2128, 2210, 2276, 2388, 2424, 2440, 2527, 2548, 2633, 2649, 2712, 2763, 2832, 2847, 3036, 3041, 349, 3412, 3431, 3446, 3531, 369, 3635, 3645, 3665, 3671, 3683, 3844, 3875, 4114, 4125, 4142, 4230, 4248, 4621, 4630, 4810, 4810, 4820, 4824, 4824, 491, 5712, 5729, 5812, 5813, 592, 592, 602, 6012, 616, 627, 668, 671, 7227, 7840,
Ya-Dal-Ya = to touch, aid, do good, be beneficent, show power and superiority, a hand. By his agency/means.Once again, you bought all those verses above and mixing things up with various scenarios in relations to 'yad' and 'aydi'. Get over it man and stop confusing and misleading everyone here. You are dead wrong with your SILLY notions you bring about and its getting sillier and abnoxious....my personal FACTUAL comments, like it or not.
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In 538 there is no mentioning of knife, as also in 1231 it doesn't say they cutted themselves with the knife. So this is not the point at all. Like i said, if you approach the verse in that way, then you can read, they wounded themselves on the knife. But i don't refer to that, in my eyes it rather says, the ability of peeling was cut off for a second by the shock of seeing Yousouf.
And all those verses i just copied from the root-program, so they don't matter, but the meanings of yad/aydi does. Again answer my question, prove that aydi cannot mean resources/abilities/means.....
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peace brothers
This discussion ain't going nowhere, all over the thread i've been trying to figure out what do u want
Danish, but i still got no clue, all what u say is "silly notions" again and again, ya akhi whatever u want.
What r u trying to prove?? Whatever u say, u know the coran will always stay for us a revelation from the One Supreme,
it's faith bro, ever heard of it?? Well it doesn't take a dictionary to get to it, only using ur mind.
About the "yad" issue, well bro if u ever catch a thief cut his hand and do whatever u want.
As for islam, the orders r clear and we ain't cutting any hands. So plz stop running is circles bro.
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In 538 there is no mentioning of knife, as also in 1231 it doesn't say they cutted themselves with the knife. So this is not the point at all. Like i said, if you approach the verse in that way, then you can read, they wounded themselves on the knife. But i don't refer to that, in my eyes it rather says, the ability of peeling was cut off for a second by the shock of seeing Yousouf.
And all those verses i just copied from the root-program, so they don't matter, but the meanings of yad/aydi does. Again answer my question, prove that aydi cannot mean resources/abilities/means.....
Do that yourself and play around with it, IN CIRCULAR MOTION or have someone else do your dirty work. I've said enough and nothing will convince you because of your thick headedness. You boast about how much you've studied theology and lie about those scholars you named earlier that YOU think they agree with you. It clearly shows where you're coming from. Perhaps you are taken aback by the 'prophet of doom' or your alleged Allah's Words. My precious time is not worth your "merry-go-round-and-round". I arrest my case about your silly notions to begin with. Goodbye.
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Peace,
Please show which scholars i lied about, with a claim you need proof, i got the information i gave from the scholars own books, so i cannot even just think they agree with me, i don't have any choice. And if you can answer my question that aydi cannot mean resources/abilities in these verses, please releave me of my thick headedness. I only see emotions in your posts which doesn't give you real credibility, and mquran makes the mistake by reacting on them. I have answered all your questions, but you haven't answered mine.
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peace Danish, Yasin, all
This debate is unecessary. It will accomplish absolutely nothing. Why?
Because it's not important what the Quran is (which really is impossible to know), but what people learn from it.
If they learn something bad from it, then that doesn't make the quran bad either. The same thing is true if they learn something good. The Quran is just a book and people will learn different things from it.
So as long as our beliefs and what we are learning is right, then we don't need to debate about what the **** some book really says. -
Frankly, I believe learning is a two person process. How does anyone expect to learn from anything without a hand to either guide, debate, or support.
I have learned a lot from this discussion so it makes all the difference in the world to me and my learning in regards to the Qur'an.
I also step-up I believe in what mquran says.