A topic for those who study Classical Arabic

nadeem

You are a real giver, Samia! Thanks!

I look forward to your comments...

Kashif

Salam All,

I will share my today arabic lecture with you guys, which hopfully answer some of Nadeem questions

Any noun (&#1605 in arabic when used in a sentence is considered following

Murfoo (&#1593 when a noun is subject
Munsoob (&#1576 when a noun is used as an object without Harf-Jar
Majroor (&#1585 when a noun is used after Harf-Jar or when it is Mudaf-alehi ( &#1616

For complete explanation and examples please see my attachment.
Now for answering following question"

Peace everyone,

My book says that the above means "For the believers of the earth". However, I don't see why this couldn't also mean "For the two believers of the earth".

Can someone explain?

I don't know if anyone answer it but here is my take

is 1) because it followed by Harf-Jar (Lam/for)
2) This is also

Now

Two Believers
Believers

So now when a plural noun is used as a Mudaff( ) then Noon at the end of the noun is dropped when joined with the word the earth (&#1590 in the above case

here is the answer then

For two believers of the earth
For believers of the earth

Note check out the Harka on the Noon carefully which will determine Two vs plural.

unknownuser

Peace sis Samia,

Would you please clarify the literal translation of the following
41

Created you from one self(Nafs) and created from it/him/her its/his/her spouse

I have read all three translations and I think "Ha" refer to her or it but not him. Am I right?

Thanks, Hamsa

Samia

Salaam Hamsa

Yes, you're right. It is "it", referring to soul/self/nafs. I would also say "pair" rather than "spouse".

unknownuser

Thanks sis,

one more question please

can we refer to one human being in the verse and in general.

And also can we refer to God not in any verse ofcourse but in general.

Peace, Hamsa

Samia

To my understanding, it does not refer to any number of people, nor to one person or entity. I think the emphasis is on quality rather than quantity.

Kashif

I am working on a Arabic Nouns mapping chart, which I will share you with you guys. Please note this is the work in progress and I planned to add examples/explanation for each category, Inshallah. Also, any feedback at this point would be very valuable for me.

Enjoy.

http//i189.photobucket.com/albums/z29/shazaduh/ArabicNounflowchart.jpg

unknownuser

To my understanding, it does not refer to any number of people, nor to one person or entity. I think the emphasis is on quality rather than quantity.

Peace sis Samia,

Although I couldn't really get it but I also do not feel asking again and again, I know it involves much study and explanation. But anyways thanks for your time. I am blessed with some bros and sis on this forum and hopefully will learn a lot from all of you inshaAllah.

Peace, Hamsa

Samia

Salaam Kashif

Just a few typos
written as
(Or perhaps you do not have this letter on your keyboard? I noticed its absence also in your previous message in the word , written as ) .
Also and I think , written as and respectively.

Kashif

Thank you sister Samia pointing out those typos, you are right I could not find Wow(with hamza on top) on my windows arabic keyboard. but I can definitely fixed them with other arabic editor I am developing. Inshallah I will fix those errors and update them.

lunarious

Fantastic!
You don't understand what i exactly mean, but you keep on with.

Samia

Thank you sister Samia pointing out those typos, you are right I could not find Wow(with hamza on top) on my windows arabic keyboard. but I can definitely fixed them with other arabic editor I am developing. Inshallah I will fix those errors and update them.

Try the key "c".

nadeem

Peace,

Great to see this thread being nourished by learned members! ;D

I've done some exercises in Arabic, and I'd appreciate some feedback.

Feel free to butcher me! peace

http//www.reflekterselv.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1443.0;attach=542

Nadeem

Kashif

I found following book for Arabic grammar a valuable resource.

Arabic for English Speaking students
by Muhammad Addul-Rauf PHD

This book provides "get to the point" Arabic grammar details with good examples.

http//www.amazon.com/English-Speaking-Students-Muhammad-Abdul-Rauf/dp/1881963004/ref=sr_11_1/002-5761012-1813662?ie=UTF8&qid=1179091195&sr=11-1

Samia

Salaam Nadeem

Well done!

Some corrections
P 1
11. you (2 m &f)

P 3
The woman went
She went

P 4 not (diptote)
8. Translation The wife of Noah and the wife of Lot were for two pious servants among God's servants (pious is dual and is indefinite because it's an adjective of an indefinite noun which is two servants).

P 5
Same as P 3.

P 6 Either the English sentence be "The pious women" or the Arabic one be " ". If it is in the plural, then not .

unknownuser

Salaam sis Samia,

Just a question

What is the difference between kill 249, 284 and 4025. In 249,284 it is mentioned that Pharaoh used to kill males of Israelites (I think it refer to when Moses was born or before he became prophet ) and in 4025 it mentions when Moses went to Pharaoh with truth the Pharaoh's people said Kill (Qatala is used here) those males who believe in Moses. I am just curious why the two different words are used for the same act i mean to kill. Is there any difference in the two words.

Thanks, Hamsa

Samia

Salaam sis Samia,

Just a question

What is the difference between kill 249, 284 and 4025. In 249,284 it is mentioned that Pharaoh used to kill males of Israelites (I think it refer to when Moses was born or before he became prophet ) and in 4025 it mentions when Moses went to Pharaoh with truth the Pharaoh's people said Kill (Qatala is used here) those males who believe in Moses. I am just curious why the two different words are used for the same act i mean to kill. Is there any difference in the two words.

Thanks, Hamsa

Salaam Hamsa

Sorry for the belated reply!

means to slaughter, specifically...but means to kill by any other means, generally.

nadeem

Peace,

Thanks Samia!

I've written a little dialog in Arabic. Nothing much, but something still... -)

Here it goes

. .

In my head, this translates to

They said "You rejected the signs of god".
Then he said "I'm but a believer in the deen of god".
Then they said "We reject your words, and you did not believe in god".
Then he said " That is not true, and my provider is one. You testify, and I testify, but he is the witness and better than us".

How did I do?

Nadeem

Samia

Salaam Nadeem

The important thing is I understood it...hmmm until the last line. I will tell you why after I correct it

Unlike the English verb "to reject", the Arabic verb "kafara" takes a preposition "bi"
When the "bi" prefixes the definite article "", do not get rid of the "alif". I know it won't be pronounced, but it should not go away either.
A pronoun following a preposition or a verb (i.e in the genetive or the accusative state) will be suffixed to them and connected to them (i the preceding letter permits).

\ .

I read as , which means to beg (like in beggar). That's why at first I did not understand.

That's a good trial. Your errors are expected.

nadeem

Peace,

Thanks for the correction, Samia.

Just a quick one this time

Is it pronounced Maa sajadnaa linsaanin or Maa sajadnaa li insaanin?

Nadeem