Homosexuality and Islam
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and until we stop paying taxes to our governments which go around the world enacting regime change we don't really have anything to say about who geoff wants to kiss
I've forgotten to pay taxes for the past 5 years now, and I say Geoff can kiss whomever he pleases.
Not only that, but I say no matter whom Geoff kisses or loves, God will still be there for him.Peace,
Nurd
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Peace AaRoN, bravo
come on, did you think of the implications of this statement before you hit that post button?
;D If it got you out here, I'm glad I posted it!to me what this statement is saying is something akin to "if you're still a virgin you can't really be sure"
which leads to "go out and try it to make sure"
which would lead to not being a virgin anymore.
it's geoff's sexuality, i'm pretty sure he knows what he's attracted to
Now you're reaching. I stick to the first one, since we are talking about SEXuality, then yes, can't REALLY be sure. Are we agreed on that one atleast?it's geoff's sexuality, i'm pretty sure he knows what he's attracted to
If you notice what I quoted from his post, geoff had stated that it's not about how the person looks (outward appearance). He says he's "BI-SEXual", yet prefers men over women, but hasn't had sex. I'm sure you can understand my confusion, yes?not your average run of the mill homosexuals... that's right i typed homosexuals, not just male hs... i can type the entire word! woot!
ughhh... not the h word! D
the world has alot bigger problems... like people going around blowing themselves up... or invading smaller countries and stealing their oil
Agreed. Come on over and lets Discuss Latest News/Events. But hey, if it's the 'gay threads' that have people talking, what can you do.Man, I was just talking about you the other day, I can't remember what I said but I'm sure it was a good thing. Good to 'see' you. sun
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WHY THE HELL CANT U BIGOTS ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN BE GAY AND A GOOD MUSLIM!!? >(
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If you use the argument that anal sex shouldnt be used, then i could live with that. There are other things that you can do, the sole purpose of sex isnt just procreation, or else you would have to tell all couples who cant have children to stop having sex. Sex is also used for bonding and pleasure.
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Lust is lust, there is rarely any emotional feeling like love ever involved. Being Gay/Bi means you are able to LOVE and be in a RELATIONSHIP with someone of the same gender. SO DONT EVER COMPARE ME TO SOMEONE WHO IS A PEDOPHILE WHO BEASTIALITY! That is very demeaning and can not be proven, it just shows your hatred and close minded ness
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I am a Bi muslim, meaning that I can love anyone for WHO they are, not just because of their looks. I do prefer men, and feel that my soul mate is one. What I do in private will be none of your business, as should be with everyone's sex life.
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Stop blaming gays for making society go down the whole. It is honestly the lack of morals and faith in America. It is because TEENS are now having sex, because fathers arent staying home with the pregnant mothers, because we have no idea what TRUE LOVE is. What happens to family units (aka mother and father) is not to be blamed on the gays.
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The problem with the gay society, can be blamed on people like yourselves. The ones who keep on rejecting them and making them feel as though not even God cares for or loves them! Even if you think it is wrong, you should never hurt them or make them feel like crap. Most gay teens who grew up religious (Abrahamic traditions, meaning anti-gay) usually commit suicide because they dont know how to "fix their problem". The non religious stay away because they are rejected, but because they turn from God, they turn to drugs, alcohol, and promiscuity to get rid of the pain of emptiness which only God can fix
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Lust in general (when not directed at the mate) is bad. However, i do plan on loving whoever God has picked out for me, be it male or female.
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Johnny K, stop this whole BS about trying to protect the women from STD's and that gay men are evil and are out to kill everyone. The Black commuinty and Africans have the highest victims of Aids, and they are straight. So sexuality doesnt mean that u are at higher risk of disease, your lifestyle (aka promiscuity, drugs, partying) raises or lowers ur chances.
I did NOT choose to be Bi and find men attractive, hell I was raised BAPTIST with a Black father and white mother who are theologians. I almost killed myself because i thought God could never love me for what I was. I tried to change, but I couldn't. So its either I live a lie or i be who I am, so i chose to be me and I am happy. Finding the real Islam has brought so much peace to me. I am still a virgin, I keep away from the party scene, i look for good personalities in people, and I try hard to be a good muslim. SO DONT YOU F***IN DARE TRY TO JUDGE ME ON MY SEXUALITY, OF WHICH YOU DONT KNOW!
oh come on, not a militant homsexual again
why don't you keep your sexual fantacies in your bed and just wait if being a muslim while desiring males will take you any where on the JD
don't bloody lie and say that it is ok to be a Muslim to Allah and a homo at the same time, this is only in your dancing barbie queen world
it was the sunni who started hijacking Islam, then the shia and other sects, then the Quran aloners and now the homos
I seek refuge by Allah
Salam
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i seek refuge from god lest i turn into an "ahmedbigot"
this immature name calling has got... to... continue! woot!
Man, I was just talking about you the other day, I can't remember what I said but I'm sure it was a good thing.
well i'm sorry to have deceived you into saying a good thing about me P
you should know better, havin not seen me much after all these years... alot has changed... i'd like to say i have grown... but sadly... i am still 5'7" P
probably lost alot of weight too... actually i know i have
anyways... not to hijack a thread...
hmmm what to say... ok... homophobes are closet homos! hahahaha P
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so you think my name is AhmedBigot
well, if that will make you happy, fine with me, you can call me any name you want, this won't stop me from saying the truth that the homos are doomed according to all scriptures not just the Quran
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Um unless you stalk me and right down everything I do, say, think, and feel you really cant judge me. Nor are you Allah, who is the perfect judge.
"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (311
"O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful." (4912)
"O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant." (4913)
I am not a militant homosexual, i just argue people who try to spread incorrect information about things they dont know. Though by your arrogant greeting, i doubt it is possible for you to be open minded and possibly accept your wrong.
P.S. Yeah also about the whole scriptures support your view..... well they dont, because the Jews (who know the Torah) say thats its ok to be gay, the NT is mostly made by Paul and Jesus who was a prophet didnt say anything about it. Not to mention that the Torah and NT are both corrupted, so yeah. why dont you bring some facts for debate
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he might be stalking you as we speak, with his super spy program or whatever the hell.
well, if that will make you happy, fine with me, you can call me any name you want, this won't stop me from saying the truth that the homos are doomed according to all scriptures not just the Quran
you've read all scriptures? even the ones that are probably long lost? you really amaze me... like - my hero... and stuff
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Um unless you stalk me and right down everything I do, say, think, and feel you really cant judge me. Nor are you Allah, who is the perfect judge.
"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (311
"O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful." (4912)
"O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant." (4913)
I am not a militant homosexual, i just argue people who try to spread incorrect information about things they dont know. Though by your arrogant greeting, i doubt it is possible for you to be open minded and possibly accept your wrong.
P.S. Yeah also about the whole scriptures support your view..... well they dont, because the Jews (who know the Torah) say thats its ok to be gay, the NT is mostly made by Paul and Jesus who was a prophet didnt say anything about it. Not to mention that the Torah and NT are both corrupted, so yeah. why dont you bring some facts for debate
ok queer
you want to debate the filthy act of homosexuality with me?, fine but be warned, I donlt debate faint hearted, I will give a really hard time
be my guest and start the thread directed to me then raise you argument that being a homo is sweet with god then I will slam dunk ya
deal?
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he might be stalking you as we speak, with his super spy program or whatever the hell.
you've read all scriptures? even the ones that are probably long lost? you really amaze me... like - my hero... and stuff
sounds like magi
well i only have one option
you are dismissed
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Peace be upon you,
So if gay couples wanted to get married, would their marriage ever be 'recognized' in Islam?
it was the sunni who started hijacking Islam, then the shia and other sects, then the Quran aloners and now the homos
So you are the only decent Muslim in the world who has the truth. hail
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Peace be upon you,
Salam
So if gay couples wanted to get married, would their marriage ever be 'recognized' in Islam?
are you kiddin or somethin
well, sounds like a joke
hold on it's coming
hahahahahaha
So you are the only decent Muslim in the world who has the truth. hail
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Now this to me signifies that they were planning to use the men against their will in the way they would have used Lots pure daughters.
does anybody around here care about lots daughters? Did even lot ask them if they liked to be "used" that way.
Men... >sorry i know i'm offtopic but i can't help it, it's my very unislamic women's lib part of the personnality
Peace lk
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does anybody around here care about lots daughters? Did even lot ask them if they liked to be "used" that way.
Men... >DA very good point Elke. It's not that we lack caring for Lot's daughters, but that it was not the point of the tale.
Lot was trying to be a good host and at the same time save his people from a portion of God's vengeance. (His people may have been evil, but they were still his people) In his time his daughters purity was his to give away and he would rather do that (thus making marrying them off properly terribly difficult in the future) than have his townspeople violate his guests against their will.
Sure we can look back on that now and say "How Barbaric!" But then again we can look back at most of the customs of any ancient civilization and say the same.
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does anybody around here care about lots daughters? Did even lot ask them if they liked to be "used" that way.
Men... >
Good one! No, I don't think you're off point at all, I think you may have unwittingly given a very valid point to the conversation/debate. )Peace
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So you are saying one rape is better then the other! Come on please...
There are much more logical answers to these questions. Remember that Prophet Muhammed's wives were called the mothers of the believers. I believe the same understanding can be applied here
QXP
1178 And the most iniquitous among his people came rushing to Lot. (They wished the visiting Messengers to approve their behavior) Lot said, "O My people! Your wives, who are like my daughters, are permitted for you. Be mindful of God?s Laws, and do not humiliate me in the presence of my guests. Is there not a single upright man among you?? (Genesis 1914 states that Lot offered them his own married daughters. Two daughters and the whole crowd! Nay, a Prophet is the spiritual father of his nation) -
Nurd, although he is talking about marrying them off, just to give women away like that, is rape in my eyes. Women cannot be inherited the Quran says.
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Peace Nurd,
Sure we can look back on that now and say "How Barbaric!" But then again we can look back at most of the customs of any ancient civilization and say the same.
IMHO, since we're talking about a messenger of God, I don't think he would do something against the God's system because of culture. The God's system doesn't change. I don't know of any instance where a "daughter's purity was for a father to give". Please correct me if I'm wrong.peace
Nurd, although he is talking about marrying them off, just to give women away like that, is rape in my eyes. Women cannot be inherited the Quran says.
Well said, AY. Especially when the point was that these people who wanted the men were evil and lusted for them... they weren't looking to marry them. What's good for the goose?..
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Hello all,
Let me take the chance of discussing homosexuality and raise an important subject, first of all I have no problem for the queers to be queers that is between them and their God, on the other hand, me as a father I have a responsibility to my children, one important asspect of this responsibility is to make sure that my children are raised properly without injecting any flaws in their innocent minds, I believe I will be held accountable by God if I misguide my children and decieve them.
While ignoring the fact that the homos sexcual activity is a clear cut case of filth and an act against how the God designed us, what most homos do to our innocent children is beyond belief, they deceive them by lying to make sure they are manipulated as they grow up then support their filthy and doomed act, they only want support in this life, they don't bloody care what may happen after, let me show you clear evidences to how the militant homos deceive our innocent chidlren
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See, Daddy, Mama and me is falsley injected into the children innocent minds to be "daddy papa and me"I have to say i must laugh on this one, hahahahahahahaha.
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See, "King and Queen" are "King and King", sounds like "in the begining god created Adam and Steve", you will find this statement in a book titled "the Gayble"http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books8.gif
This book title must have a typo, it should read "It's ok to be gay"Ok we have seen Daddy Papa and me, let's see Mom and Mum gettin married
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Hmmmm, I have to say kids, Mom with an O is different to Mum with a U, Mom with an O is sort of like Dad with a D and A, just take it from me kids, it is bloody truthful, or should I say it is fabulous that way.http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books5.gif
Of course we all will sing with the same voice but only if we take hormons, sort of we meet in the middle, all the boys take feminine hormons and all the girls take male hormons, fair enough kids?We have seen Daddy Papa and me, we have also seen, Mom (with an O) Mum and me, as well we have seen the King and King, now let's see the King and King and their family
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Look at the King boys and girls, see he is a queer king (fabulous), remember the other story I told you, it is ok to be different, I mean it is ok to be gay.http//free-islam.com8080/ahmed/gayingchildren/gay_children_books9.gif
Hmmm, I wonder what is the message the queers are telling our innocent children in this book?, sort of, bloody oath there are too many babies around that is why they are gays, kind of they are helping in birth control, that is noble by the queers I have to say, they sacrified having babies because there are too many babies around, that make sense.Remember Mom (with an O) and Mum who got married before, well here is a book about them when they got old
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BTW kids, the two dogs in the book are Mack and Jack, Mack are thinking of adopting a small doggie but Jack is opposing the idea, Jack prefers to hire Mandy (a female dog) to carry the baby for them, Mandy will take a few bones as a reward.Remember the book "babies everywhere", well sort of the innocent children were not convinced, so the queers are coming form another angel to tackle the problem
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See, now it is not babies everywhere, rather when you have a baby you have a trouble, i.e. don't bloody get any babies or you will be in trouble. well, I reckon if the parents of those queers implemented their concept we would not have them manipulating the inncoent children nowdays, or what do you think?What is more revolting than the above crime by the queers against our innocent children that some parents accept that these lies and deceptions are injected in their own innocnet children minds
Again, I seek refuge by Allah
Salam
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peace
Well said, AY. Especially when the point was that these people who wanted the men were evil and lusted for them... they weren't looking to marry them. What's good for the goose?..Exactly, and when using the Quran as its own explanation, the understanding becomes very clear
A father does not own a daughter, they can't be given away as an inheritence
419 O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to inherit the women by force[/b...
Or as QXP gives it
419 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! It is not lawful for you to force women into marrying or holding on to them in marriage against their will...
And the Prophet is the spiritual father
336 The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves and their own people. (Seeing that he is as a father to them), his wives are their mothers.
So the daughters of Lot were logically then, the women of his nation, and not literally his daughters. it would not surprised me if the original Bible story was changed and misunderstood by the Jewish scholars just as the Quran has been misunderstood on this point also.
As for Homosexuality, the Quran gives a Deen, a Divine System for Mankind, and so this matter must be judged from that point of view. This deserves a scientifical investigation on a psychological and sociological level, and the person's feelings and psyche must be respected and understood. Then the Quranic view can be understood better.