Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?

Peaceful_Mind

Have you seen my thread asking where or what the lower heaven is?

We already settled this.

Arnold

Sorry for that;

has more than one meaning such as
(The only word provided in your link)
or

or
(Derived from the above word)
etc...

The word
means to expand
http//dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2MM.asp?Lang=E-A&Sub=%c7%e3%ca%cf

Why are you using a different word? this is the precise word that is used

So what little magic act are you trying to pull off here? Now, the even funnier part, is that in the word you linked, the first two definitions are stretch out and spread out. Why are you helping my argument? ;D How odd.

Arnold

We already settled this.

I didn't post that to you. You've got the straws going in that one. Again, just making the claim doesn't work, so don't even bother.

Peaceful_Mind

Why are you using a different word? this is the precise word that is used

So what little magic act are you trying to pull off here?

also means . It's the same exact word.

Now, the even funnier part, is that in the word you linked, the first two definitions are stretch out and spread out. Why are you helping my argument? ;D How odd.

I already said it can have more than one meaning. The third definition is "expand". Case closed.

Peaceful_Mind

I didn't post that to you. You've got the straws going in that one. Again, just making the claim doesn't work, so don't even bother.

I substantiated my claims, you ignored them. That's fine by me.

Arnold

I substantiated my claims, you ignored them. That's fine by me.

No, i answered them. And then, you try to swapo out one word with another and you got caught. And then, even the word that you tried to use as a replacement ended up matching my point better than yours. So what again have you answered? Please remind me. Last I checked, everybody is point at "spread ot" except for you, and even you accidently poinrted to "spread out". It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Arnold

also means . It's the same exact word.

Same exact word or a different word with the same meaning? Why bother to swap the words out? There is absolutely no good reason to do that except for you trying to pull a fast one. My, how honorable.

I already said it can have more than one meaning. The third definition is "expand". Case closed.

And the first and second said stretched out and spread out. So you botched that one. After all the examination, clearly spread out is the most likely interpretation. But, like someone else said, what''s the big difference anyway? I was willing to let it go, but you decided to force me to address it. Are you happy you did that now?

Peaceful_Mind

Same exact word or a different word with the same meaning? Why bother to swap the words out? There is absolutely no good reason to do that except for you trying to pull a fast one. My, how honorable.

When we want to look for the meaning of a word, we use its root. So they are both the same exact word.

And the first and second said stretched out and spread out. So you botched that one. After all the examination, clearly spread out is the most likely interpretation. But, like someone else said, what''s the big difference anyway? I was willing to let it go, but you decided to force me to address it. Are you happy you did that now?

Whether it means spread out or stretched out makes no difference to me, because the earth is stretching out. That's a scientific fact.

Arnold

When we want to look for the meaning of a word, we use its root. So they are both the same exact word.Whether it means spread out or stretched out makes no difference to me, because the earth is stretching out. That's a scientific fact.

Yes, but the Quran didn't say it is stretching out. The Quran says it was stretched out, and then, after it was stretched, the waters came down.

Peaceful_Mind

Yes, but the Quran didn't say it is stretching out. The Quran says it was stretched out, and then, after it was stretched, the waters came down.

It has been stretching out/expanding. This is to do with Arabic grammar.

Peaceful_Mind

No, i answered them. And then, you try to swapo out one word with another and you got caught. And then, even the word that you tried to use as a replacement ended up matching my point better than yours. So what again have you answered? Please remind me. Last I checked, everybody is point at "spread ot" except for you, and even you accidently poinrted to "spread out". It doesn't get much clearer than that.

I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that

can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.

Arnold

I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that

can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.

Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.

So let's use you logic.

Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says

stretched out
spread out
expanded

And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK

So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used

spread out
leveled
leveled off

So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.

Arnold

I have answered your claims back too. In Arabic, many words can have more than one meaning. I pointed to you that

can mean to expand
And even it means, to stretch out/spread out (Which I do not agree with), it should nor make a difference because science substantiates it.

Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.

Peaceful_Mind

Every single time, spread out comes out at the top of the list. Most frequently used by the translators, and the first definition in both the definitions I provided, and the ones you provide. Seems pretty clear. Like I said, you just had to push the envelope, didn't you. I was ready to let it go as expand, if it progressed the conversation, but you insisted that I dump on you. You asked me to. And now, you opened up the can of worms of dahaha having two other definitions besides spread out. They are level, and level off. Woooo, getting creepily close to "flat". You should see the other verses that all say the same basic thing.

So let's use you logic.

Your definition of that other word that's not even in the verse says

stretched out
spread out
expanded

And you say, that for some reason, we should pick definition number three. OK

So, here's the definition of the actual word that was used

spread out
leveled
leveled off

So, let's use your logic, and ignore the first two, and pick number three. Heh, Allah leveled the earth off. Hmmmm.....starts to sound a little like flattened out to me.

Again, A word can have more than one meaning.
can mean

to stretch out
to spread out
to expand

Both 3 definitions are compatible with science. I personally go with to expand/enlarge.

Peaceful_Mind

Dahaha, the actual word that is used, is a past tense verb.

It's in the present perfect tense.

Arnold

It's in the present perfect tense.

Prove it. Everybody else says it's past tense.

Peaceful_Mind

Prove it. Everybody else says it's past tense.

Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.

Arnold

Present perfect tenses are written like past tenses in Arabic. And does it really matter? Whether past ot present perfect does not matter as both are compatible with science.

Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting, and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science. So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't. So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.

Peaceful_Mind

Yes, it does matter, because one states that the expanding is an action that God performed in the beginning before he sent the rain down and therefore conflicts with the invention you are attempting,

Earth expanded in the past.

and the other one refers to God continually expanding, so that it can be twisted to match science.

Both match science.

So yes, it matters a lot, and I asked you to substantiate, and you didn't.

Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.

So I'll assume it was nothing more than yet another attempt of a deceptive diversion.

This is all you have got, assumptions and insults.

Arnold

Earth expanded in the past. Both match science.Let me repeat it again, in Arabic, present perfect tenses are written like past tenses.

Why didn't one single translator, not one, translate this as present perfect? Again, you are inventing anything you can think of to try and throw at the problem, but others don't concur with you. In fact, nobody does. But, then again, you're the guy who writes his own Quran and Arabic dictionary.