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Earth like an Ostrich Egg or like a Pizza?

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    Arnold
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    A angel with six wings thought to be an ancient pagan goddess who knew the secrets of the heavens.

    Not a very good answer is it. Try again?

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      Not a very good answer is it. Try again?
      What did you expect, Santa Claus coming down from my home's chimney to secretly have a word with me or could it be Jesus in my dreams?

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        Peaceful_Mind
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        7930 means that the earth expands, which is scientifically true.

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          Arnold
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          7930 means that the earth expands, which is scientifically true.

          Actually, the words are in past tense, right? So that doesn't work.

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            Peaceful_Mind
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            The earth expanded in the past. There is no problem with that verse.

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              Arnold
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              The earth expanded in the past. There is no problem with that verse.

              That's right, but you tried to make it look like it was speaking of an ongoing process of the earth expanding, when clearly it is not.

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                Peaceful_Mind
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                That's right, but you tried to make it look like it was speaking of an ongoing process of the earth expanding, when clearly it is not.

                He made the earth expand.
                So now your arguemt is answered?

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                  Arnold
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                  He made the earth expand.
                  So now your arguemt is answered?

                  Of course not, we're merely back to square one. 7930 says he spread it out. It says nothing about egg shaped. That is a scam. And spread it out matches all of the other verses that speak of this. There are many other verse that speak of this in terms of smoothing out, and flattening out as well as spreading out.

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                    Of course not, we're merely back to square one. 7930 says he spread it out. It says nothing about egg shaped. That is a scam. And spread it out matches all of the other verses that speak of this. There are many other verse that speak of this in terms of smoothing out, and flattening out as well as spreading out.

                    It says He has expanded it. Spreading out is the scam.

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                      Arnold
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                      It says He has expanded it. Spreading out is the scam.

                      Well, I can show you many respected translators who disagree with you. But let's go with expanded as to me, there really isn't much difference. So how was the earth "expanded"? Was it "enlarged" or something? Did it grow after it was created? How so?

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                        Peaceful_Mind
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                        Well, I can show you many respected translators who disagree with you.

                        Again, no priesthood in Islam.

                        But let's go with expanded as to me, there really isn't much difference.

                        Again, it means He has expanded it.

                        So how was the earth "expanded"? Was it "enlarged" or something? Did it grow after it was created? How so?

                        I believe these sites might shed some light on this topic.
                        http//www.expanding-earth.org/
                        http//microlnx.com/expansion/

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                          Arnold
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                          Again, no priesthood in Islam.Again, it means He has expanded it.I believe these sites might shed some light on this topic.
                          http//www.expanding-earth.org/
                          http//microlnx.com/expansion/

                          No no. That's "expanding" earth, not expanded earth.. We've already been through that. The expansion was something Allah did in one shot before he sent the rain down, so this isn't going to work. Maybe the earth expanded as it was cooling off? Or, maybe expanding was meant to mean the same thing as spreading out. The two can indeed mean the same thing. Expand can have the same meaning as spread out.

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                            No no. That's "expanding" earth, not expanded earth.. We've already been through that. The expansion was something Allah did in one shot before he sent the rain down, so this isn't going to work. Maybe the earth expanded as it was cooling off? Or, maybe expanding was meant to mean the same thing as spreading out. The two can indeed mean the same thing. Expand can have the same meaning as spread out.

                            God has been expanding the earth. No contradiction here.

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                              Arnold
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                              God has been expanding the earth. No contradiction here.

                              But what did God do to originally expand the earth? Remember, the verse is in past tense. Nowhere does it say "We are expanding the earth" or "we are spreading out the earth"

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                                Peaceful_Mind
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                                But what did God do to originally expand the earth?

                                Probably create it?

                                Remember, the verse is in past tense.

                                No it is not. It's a present perfect progressive tense.

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                                  Arnold
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                                  Probably create it?

                                  Ummmm, no. when you expand something, something has already been created in order for you to expand it. So probably not.

                                  It's a present perfect progressive tense.

                                  What? The earth, we have expanded it, means that it is continually expanding? Is there nothing you won't attempt? I hope that guy explorer reads this stuff, because now he can see it's just like I told him. Nobody, nobody is more creative and twists and bends their scriptures more than Muslims. Nobody.

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                                    Ummmm, no. when you expand something, something has already been created in order for you to expand it. So probably not.

                                    He created it and has been expanding it.

                                    What? The earth, we have expanded it, means that it is continually expanding? Is there nothing you won't attempt?

                                    You obviously have no sense of Arabic grammer.

                                    Is there nothing you won't attempt? I hope that guy explorer reads this stuff, because now he can see it's just like I told him. Nobody, nobody is more creative and twists and bends their scriptures more than Christians. Nobody.

                                    Fixed!
                                    You really bring no arguments, just baseless assumptions

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                                      Arnold
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                                      He created it and has been expanding it.You obviously have no sense of Arabic grammer.

                                      Break it down, and then tell me that Ibn Kathir has no understanding of Arabic grammer

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                                        Peaceful_Mind
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                                        Break it down, and then tell me that Ibn Kathir has no understanding of Arabic grammer

                                        When God says we blessed this land, it means that that land is blessed till today, 2171. Same thing applies to "We expanded this earth". It has been expanding until today.

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                                          Arnold
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                                          When God says we blessed this land, it means that that land is blessed till today, 2171. Same thing applies to "We expanded this earth". It has been expanding until today.

                                          No, but that was a nice try. It means the land remains blessed and the earth remains expanded. We blessed the land and it remains blessed as it was when we blessed it. We expanded the earth and it remains expanded as it was when we expanded it.

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