Virgin Birth of Isa
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Peace,
If Jesus was the Jewish mashiach, and if he was actually born of a 'virgin' woman, then there should be an account of it in the Tavrah, right? For example, the Tavrah outlines all of the factors and stipulations regarding the position of the mashiach and what he will do... Since Jesus is called "almasih" (the messiah) in the Reading, then he would have had to fulfill these stipulations, one of which is born of the union between a man and a woman. If he didn't do this, then he can't be the messiah, plain and simple. There's no mention in the Tavrah at all regarding the mashiach being born of a 'virgin' woman.
Now, based on the scripture, was the 'entire world' sent a messiah? NO. The mashiach was sent specifically to the Jews, the children of Israel. They were awaiting his arrival, and they had plenty of prophecies in place predicting his coming. So, why didn't any of the Jewish scriptures predict a virgin birth? Why do they enforce the strict doctrine that he would come from the lineage of King David (through Solomon) by way of his FATHER? Why isn't Maryam called a 'virgin' in the Reading? A key factor of this is the Christian deification of Jesus, which they justify with the alleged 'virgin birth'. However, the Reading clearly denounces the divinity of Jesus. So, if Jesus is not divine, then what was the significance of the virgin birth? What purpose did it serve? Why isn't it mentioned in the scriptures (other than the Biblical New Testament Gospels)?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Rather, it clearly defines the reproductive process of all humans (children of Adam).
Adam is human and his parents are?
PIf Jesus was the Jewish mashiach, and if he was actually born of a 'virgin' woman, then there should be an account of it in the Tavrah, right?
Tavrah is what, Quran?
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Why is he called son of Mary. Why is his father not even mentioned by reference as a response to the Christians rather than going in circles?? He was concieved via the Holy Spirit Amen.
Why did Aaron address his brother Moses as "son of my mother"? Moses father was never mentioned, nor was it at all mentioned that he had a father.
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Which means that God only mentions those who play a role. What was the role of his parents so as to be mentioned? They were just "bashars".
I disagree there are parents with conscious knowledge
231 And He taught Adam the names, all of them
Also, if they are, would be exempt
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And when We said to the angels "Prostrate to Adam." So they prostrated except Satan/Iblis, he said "Do I prostrate to who you created (from) mud/clay?"
He said "Did I show You, that which you honored on me, If, You delayed me, to the Resurrection Day, I will possess their descendants except few."
He said "Go so who followed you from them, so that Hell (is) your reimbursement, a reimbursement completed/abundant.3660 ?children of Adam do not worship the devil?
Peace
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Peace,
Regarding Jesus being the Jewish Messiah
Isaiah 126 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established. (Isaiah 126) >(
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 24) ignore
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 211-17) brickwall
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 111) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 228-10, 2 Chronicles 71 hmm
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 112) hail
He will come from Bethlehem (Micah 52) bravo
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 114) yay
Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 119) hmm
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 1110) )
All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 1112) group
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25 rotfl
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25 rotfl
All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 2619) voodoo
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 5111) angel
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 527) angel
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 5213-535) >D
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 823) confused
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 1655) nope
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 399) brickwall
The Temple will be rebuilt resuming many of the suspended mitzvot (Ezekiel 40) rotfl
Jews will know the Torah without study (Jeremiah 3133) rotfl
He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 374) whatever
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 513, Amos 913-15, Ezekiel 3629-30, Isaiah 116-9) angelNo Comment.
Regarding the Virgin Birth, consider this verse
336 So when she delivered she said My Lord, I have delivered a female, and God knows better of what she delivered, And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her and her progeny with You from the outcast devil.
Could Mary be an abnormal female? hermaphrodite?
Peace,
Rami
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Why did Aaron address his brother Moses as "son of my mother"? Moses father was never mentioned, nor was it at all mentioned that he had a father.
To ease and cool the loaded state of anger of Musa reflected by the use of his hands in cathing his head and beard. In such situation mother is referred/remembered not father. It is normal human psyche.
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To ease and cool the loaded state of anger of Musa reflected by the use of his hands in cathing his head and beard. In such situation mother is referred/remembered not father. It is normal human psyche.
'ya ibn ummu' is an expression which means my close brother becauase remember you can have brothers from other mothers as polygamy was the norm. Note that Joseph had 11 brothers from Jacob but one special brother from the same mother. Could this be why when Joseph mentioned his ancestors he said Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but when the others mentioned their ancestors (when Jacob was dying) they said Abaraham, Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob ie. Jacob married the daughter of Ishamael and got 10 boys. Which means your fathers could also be from your mother's side. Just a thought.
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Peace Rami,,
Regarding Jesus being the Jewish Messiah...
So, you DON'T believe Jesus was really the Jewish messiah?
Peace Pseudo,
Adam is human and his parents are?
Tavrah is what, Quran?
Adam can't be called a "child of Adam", can he? God describes the reproductive process for all the "CHILDREN OF ADAM". So, if Jesus was a child (descendant) of Adam, he was developed from this same process... And the word "Tavrah" is the Hebrew term (TVRH) for the word "Torah" (Arabic Tawrah), and it describes the scriptures presented to the Children of Israel. The Jews consider the Tavrah to be the first five Biblical books (Pentateuch), and they consider the entire "Tanakh" (commonly called "old testament" as a divinely inspired work... So, by the Tavrah, I'm talking about the entire Tanakh, plus the other books that were not included in the Bible cannon, works that the Reading and the Gospel authenticate...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace Ahmad,
Adam can't be called a "child of Adam", can he?
No.
God describes the reproductive process for all the "CHILDREN OF ADAM".
Yes.
So, if Jesus was a child (descendant) of Adam,
No.
?almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi?
http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=AAeesa+ibn&chapter=&translator=6&search=1&start=0&records_display=100&search_word=all
he was developed from this same process...
No.
359 That Jesus' example at God (is) as Adam's example, (He) created him from dust then He said to him "Be." So he became.
And the word "Tavrah" is the Hebrew term (TVRH) for the word "Torah" (Arabic Tawrah), and it describes the scriptures presented to the Children of Israel. The Jews consider the Tavrah to be the first five Biblical books (Pentateuch), and they consider the entire "Tanakh" (commonly called "old testament" as a divinely inspired work... So, by the Tavrah, I'm talking about the entire Tanakh, plus the other books that were not included in the Bible cannon, works that the Reading and the Gospel authenticate...
Torah and Injeel are in Quran else no need to retell the stories in Quran.
Peace
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No.
?almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi?
http//www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=AAeesa+ibn&chapter=&translator=6&search=1&start=0&records_display=100&search_word=all
Whoa, hold on a second... You're saying that Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam?! o How is this possible? All humans are children of Adam, including Maryam, Solomon, King David, Moses, Imraan, Joseph, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, and all the other members of the human race. In other words, if Jesus was a HUMAN BEING, then he was a descendant of Adam, plain and simple... Where's your proof that he wasn't a human being? The Jewish prophecies regarding the mashiach, as well as the Gospel and Biblical accounts, all testify that Jesus was a descendant of David, making him a descendant of Adam... I don't know where you got this ideology from, but it's incorrect.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Whoa, hold on a second... You're saying that Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam?! o
Yes. The same way Adam was human not of Adam
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That Jesus' example at God (is) as Adam's example, (He) created him from dust then He said to him "Be." So he became. The truth (is) from your Lord, so do not be from the doubting.How is this possible?
1921 He said "'Like that,' said your Lord; it is on Me easy?
Peace
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Peace,
Regarding Jesus being the Jewish Messiah
Isaiah 126 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established. (Isaiah 126) >(
Peace,
Rami
Just need to put it in right order otherwise it all there.
Check the origin of the prominent lawyers and judges in powerful countries and then emergence of the democracy there. )Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 24) ignore
hmm all leaders go to Israel before being elected like Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy.
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 211-17) brickwall
That would mean no longer in secret like the way freemason do? -X
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 111) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 228-10, 2 Chronicles 71 hmm
Descendents of Solomon look like the Ethiopian origin; don?t tell me its Obama. &
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 112) hail
Like Bush and Tony Blair with the fear of God not to forget Obama. hail
He will come from Bethlehem (Micah 52) bravo
A Palestinian by birth? -\
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 114) yay
Watch out all axis of evils elektro
Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 119) hmm
No more secret oaths to God by a selected elite God communicating via internet yay
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 1110) )
Investors from all cultures and nations will invest in that Not Wall Street but Telaviv Stock market wow
All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 1112) group
And the rest of the world would rejoice. yay
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25 rotfl
"Healthcare revolution? a technology capable of giving complete DNA read-outs at birth...
Illuminati are preparing to launch a much cheaper whole-genome service within two years. bravoThere will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25 rotfl
Plenty of GM food, DNA mapping to make ensure good health and avert death. Monsanto police
All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 2619) voodoo
Cloning breakthrough raises prospect of creating calves from supermarket beef and people from their graves. laugh
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 5111) angel
Finally ;D
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 527) angel
Only the messenger talking peace but not applying it just many jedi
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 5213-535) >
Holocaust memorials everywhere. - rotfl
I pod, Black berry. rotfl
He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 374) whatever
The height of consumerism, all designer goods and fame and awards, mansions and ranches ...palm/Jumera beach ...nothing left out tempt
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 513, Amos 913-15, Ezekiel 3629-30, Isaiah 116-9) angel
Dubai
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;D peace farida, amazing response. You noticed how it is possible to smash any event in the world to any text. But you did it pretty well. Jews were making fun of this and made a video about a Rabbi finding out that the Messiah turned out to be none other than the Rooster.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgloCwEp1i8&feature=channel_page
Peace yay
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To continue the Virgin Mary myth,
I watched a video that talks about that Mary could be a hermaphrodite.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBx1vTje2ro&feature=related
This virgin myth is found in other cultures, could it be that this Sunna of God was to send a Messiah born of a virgin then raise him?! Astrology is actually referred in the Quran as God swears by the position of the stars.
Note that also God granted a child to Abraham's wife who was actually sterile or menopaused(5140) and Zakaria's wife(340). It is actually impossible for a menopause to concieve unless you use IVF. This should not be confused with the phenemenon of delayed menopause in some Bedouin women.
http//www.springerlink.com/content/rqrw2471052j3779/Peace,
Rami
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Peace,
If Jesus was the Jewish mashiach, and if he was actually born of a 'virgin' woman, then there should be an account of it in the Tavrah, right? For example, the Tavrah outlines all of the factors and stipulations regarding the position of the mashiach and what he will do... Since Jesus is called "almasih" (the messiah) in the Reading, then he would have had to fulfill these stipulations, one of which is born of the union between a man and a woman. If he didn't do this, then he can't be the messiah, plain and simple. There's no mention in the Tavrah at all regarding the mashiach being born of a 'virgin' woman.
Now, based on the scripture, was the 'entire world' sent a messiah? NO. The mashiach was sent specifically to the Jews, the children of Israel. They were awaiting his arrival, and they had plenty of prophecies in place predicting his coming. So, why didn't any of the Jewish scriptures predict a virgin birth? Why do they enforce the strict doctrine that he would come from the lineage of King David (through Solomon) by way of his FATHER? Why isn't Maryam called a 'virgin' in the Reading? A key factor of this is the Christian deification of Jesus, which they justify with the alleged 'virgin birth'. However, the Reading clearly denounces the divinity of Jesus. So, if Jesus is not divine, then what was the significance of the virgin birth? What purpose did it serve? Why isn't it mentioned in the scriptures (other than the Biblical New Testament Gospels)?
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace all
Ahamed, you are a disbeliever of many well-established Quaranic verses that prove the Virgin birth of Jesus (beside disbelieving in 9-128 & 129). I do not know what to think about you...But I know that God will take care of people like you.Peace everybody
The following are what I used as proof for Jesus Virgin Birth
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(٦ (٧Behold! the angels said "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. (45) "He shall speak to the people in childhood And in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous." (46) She said "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said "Even so Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it `Be', and it is! (3-47)
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O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist it will be better for you for Allah is One Allah glory be to him (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (171) Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah) those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer). (4-172)
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Then will Allah say "O Jesus, the son of Mary! recount my favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said `This is nothing but evident magic'. (5-110)
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Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. (16) She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. (17) She said "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah." (1 He said "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son." (19) She said "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (20) He said "So (it will be) thy Lord saith
That is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us' it is a matter (so) decreed." (21) So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place. (22) And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree she cried (in her anguish) "Ah! would that I had died before this! Would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!" (23) But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-free) "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee; (24) "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. (25) "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man sayI have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.' " (26) At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). they said "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! (27) "O sister of Aaron! thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (2 But she pointed to the babe. They said "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" (29) He said "I am indeed a servant of Allah He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; (30) "And He hath made me Blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (31) "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; (32) "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! (33) Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. (34) It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it "Be", and it is. (19-35)(٠
And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs. (23-50)
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And Mary the daughter of `Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into her (body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants). (66-12)These are the decisive verses that God sent to tell Christian the truth about Jesus. If a six years old human listen to it, he will understand God?s Message.
Arnold, are you ignoring all the above decisive verses (well-established), and the ones that I mentioned before.
Until now you failed to provide a well-established verse to support your theory that Jesus had a Father.
Arnold, you are committing the worse Sin that God will not Forgive no matter what Good deeds you would do to compensate for. It is the Sin of saying what God did not say in the Book ?Shirk?, and disbelieving the decisive verses ?Kofer?, and following non-well- established verse to cancelout well established verses.If Free-Minds Management allows this, then they are committing the same Sins by ignoring there own rulls that they set for this Fourm.
Peace
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Whoa, hold on a second... You're saying that Jesus is NOT a descendant of Adam?! o How is this possible?
Jesus is a Spirit From God; in other word, He is only Half Human.
4171 O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God?s messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say ?Trinity.? Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the Earth. God is enough as a caretaker.
4171Jesus is one of God's creature, and a True servant of God.
Now, tell me whom other beside Jesus is being called SPIRIT From God, in Quran? !
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Ahamed, you are a disbeliever of many well-established Quaranic verses that prove the Virgin birth of Jesus (beside disbelieving in 9-128 & 129). I do not know what to think about you...But I know that God will take care of people like you.
God will take care of people like me, huh? laugh Has He told you this? Or are you speaking about God what you don't know? I don't know if you knew this, but that amounts to blasphemy...