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Adam and Eve - the quran says we came from a single creature

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    huruf
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    Zawjaha; the feminine refer to nafs, which is feminine gender.

    Salaam

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      Samia
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      Salaam alaikum.

      IMHO, Adam was created from (the so called)"Eve", and not the other way around.

      In verse 4/1, the "nafsun wahidatun/single person" from which mankind originated is gendered female. Verse 3/59 also confirms this according to which the example of Eesa is like the example of Adam(3/59), (at least in the manner that both have been created from a woman alone, a "nafsun wahidatun", each)

      This is an interesting observation, confirmed by verse 7189

      He it is Who did create you from a single soul, and therefrom did make her mate that he might take rest in her. And when he covered her she bore a light burden, and she passed (unnoticed) with it, but when it became heavy they cried unto Allah, their Lord, saying If thou givest unto us aright we shall be of the thankful.

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        Samia
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        Zawjaha; the feminine refer to nafs, which is feminine gender.

        Salaam

        You are right, this verse is not gender-specific. But the really gender-specific/gendered verse is 7189

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          huruf
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          7.189.

          7.190

          7.189. He is the One who created you from one person, and He made from it its mate to reside with. When he covered her, she carried a light load, and she continued with it; then when it became heavy, they called on God, their Lord ?If You give us an upright child, then we will be among the thankful.?
          7190 But when He gave them an upright child, they made partners with Him in what He had given them. God be exalted above what they set up as partners.

          Here are them 7.189 and 7.190 What do you people make of them?

          For those who do not read any Arabic I point out that the upright child corresponds to the Arabic "saalih".

          Saalij from dictionnary good, right, proper, sound; thoruugh, substantial, downright, out-and-out, solid; virtuous, pious, devout, godly; usable, useful, practicable, serviceable, fitting, suitable, appropriate...

          Salaam

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            Samia
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            There is a slight error in the English translation (quoted by huruf and me)

            ...that he might take rest in her so when he covered her...

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              Meteora
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              Still confused as all hell.

              If it's referring to "nafs" and is not "gender specific" then what's all this talk about the female being before the male?

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                Meteora
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                Hi.

                Quran says God created man from clay.

                Yet says the spouse of the woman (I guess Adam) was created from her...

                So...he was clay inside the woman?

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                  Salaam

                  All human beings start off as female.

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    Salaam

                    All human beings start off as female.

                    ???

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                      Actually, if you read the bible carefully you will see that there are two different accounts of the creation of "man". One says that God created man and woman at the same time and a bit further on it says God created Adam and then created Eve from one of Adams ribs. So the question remains, were the man and woman created together actually Adam and Eve, or were they a different couple?

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                        Actually, if you read the bible carefully you will see that there are two different accounts of the creation of "man". One says that God created man and woman at the same time and a bit further on it says God created Adam and then created Eve from one of Adams ribs. So the question remains, were the man and woman created together actually Adam and Eve, or were they a different couple?

                        http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve
                        http//www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016582&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

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                          Man screw the bible. In fact one of the greatest most common falsehoods in it is the supposed creation of Eve from Adam. It's also plagiarized in the hadith from the bible. People don't like the fact the woman apparently owns the man when it comes to creation so they like to create their own fantasy fiction where the man tells the woman "you're a part of me, therefore you'z mine bidge!!!" nope and say Eve was created from a crooked rib of Adam to teach us the falsehood that women are "crooked" thus morally and mentally deficient when we all know this is disproven by science and even common sense, as well as God in the Quran.

                          -M

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                            Man screw the bible. In fact one of the greatest most common falsehoods in it is the supposed creation of Eve from Adam. It's also plagiarized in the hadith from the bible. People don't like the fact the woman apparently owns the man when it comes to creation so they like to create their own fantasy fiction where the man tells the woman "you're a part of me, therefore you'z mine bidge!!!" nope and say Eve was created from a crooked rib of Adam to teach us the falsehood that women are "crooked" thus morally and mentally deficient when we all know this is disproven by science and even common sense, as well as God in the Quran.

                            -M

                            Peace,
                            Respectfully.

                            I agree, in fact i believe that it is time and the right place for sisters to raise and take a firm stand, God willing against the corrupt men.
                            I'm willing to help anyway i can.
                            And i will, God willing.
                            Let me know.

                            Peace.

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                              Rev_John
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                              Man screw the bible. In fact one of the greatest most common falsehoods in it is the supposed creation of Eve from Adam. It's also plagiarized in the hadith from the bible. People don't like the fact the woman apparently owns the man when it comes to creation so they like to create their own fantasy fiction where the man tells the woman "you're a part of me, therefore you'z mine bidge!!!" nope and say Eve was created from a crooked rib of Adam to teach us the falsehood that women are "crooked" thus morally and mentally deficient when we all know this is disproven by science and even common sense, as well as God in the Quran.

                              -M

                              Well of course it is a falsehood. Men and women are completely equal

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                                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                Well of course it is a falsehood. Men and women are completely equal

                                bravo

                                From the Quran

                                3195 Their Lord responded to them "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

                                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                                  Well of course it is a falsehood. Men and women are completely equal

                                  bravo handshake
                                  peace

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                                    nwryn
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                                    Salaam

                                    ???

                                    I meant biologically, all foetuses begin as female, so that is the default gender. The Y chromosome kicks in later, apparently.

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                                      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                      Salaam

                                      I meant biologically, all foetuses begin as female, so that is the default gender. The Y chromosome kicks in later, apparently.

                                      The ovaries only have X chromosomes, namely XX. The sperms have XY. This doesnt mean that the foetuses are female. It just means that the sperm decides the gender.

                                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                        Rev_John
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                                        The ovaries only have X chromosomes, namely XX. The sperms have XY. This doesnt mean that the foetuses are female. It just means that the sperm decides the gender.

                                        But does that also mean that men are a deformity, having one leg of a chromosome missing? &

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                                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                          But does that also mean that men are a deformity, having one leg of a chromosome missing? &

                                          laugh

                                          It only means that the gender of the baby is decided by the sperm, contrary to sexist/superstitous med?eval European belief.

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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