salat timing

anthonywallace

Would you like me to give you an example of what you are doing? The following is for illustrative purposes only

Qu'ran says to kill people who do not want to be under Muslim authority what part of this do you not understand

4091 You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you ... seize them and kill them wherever you find them.

They are to go to Hell and we are to put them there
7215 ?The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.?
489 ?seize them and slay them wherever you find them and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.?

Even if they are our neighbors, coworkers, relatives
9.123 ?O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you?

Do you see what you are doing, anthony? You're taking verses out of context (17110-111) and distorting their meanings (223. What part of THIS do YOU not understand? God-willing this is my last post on this topic, if you don't get it I really do give up.

no hard feelings. peace.

Let each work according to his own

And if this is a fabricated lie, then I am respionsible for my crime

2238 And dedicate the prayers;whithout once missing. And kneel and pray apologetically to God Almighty.

And if this is a " distortion" then the translations u quoten from and all others is too... And God knows what we do.

O.k. so you saying that my interpretation isnt the correct meaning? Then what is the correct meaning, bring it forth.

Im only a advisor, i advice you to praise God dawn and eveing and to say " praise be to God......ect...17111 ( confirms that it is o.k. to say this)

And I advise you to dedicate the prayers; without once missing. And to kneel down and pray apologetically to God Almighty...2238

And also I have to study further into 17110-111,

anthonywallace

peace

rsw

My reasoning for not taking "salawati" in 2238-239 as "prayers" comes from the context if you look at the verses preceeding it and the verses after it they are about marriage. The word "salawat" can mean many things other than just prayer, according to the rootlist

Sad-Lam-Waw prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnifiy, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached. In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached). Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

It would make sense, in the context, that "salawat" and "salat" would not be referring to "prayers" and "prayer" but rather, to "remain attached." From the same lexicon, "wusta"

Waw-Siin-Tay = middle, midst, among, best, best part of a thing, mediate/intercede between, most remote from the extremes, equidistant, intermediate, most conforming/equitable/just/balanced, most excellent of them in particular.

When we consider the verse in context, that it must be about marriage; 2238 would be most appropriately interpreted as "Preserve the connections (between you and your wives), and the best/central connection (between you and God), and stand before God obeying humbly." We should STAY MARRIED AND OBEDIENT TO GOD, being disobedient to GOD will cause stress in our relationship possibly causing divorce; or divorce is disobedient to GOD.

239 now makes sense in this context, as maintaining the marriage while in fear (of an enemy or disaster). It ties elegantly into 240 being about leaving a widow (in case you did maintain the connection while fleeing but were killed while away). This is how literature works; one verse leads into the next, they make sense in an orderly fashion and work together with one another. Your interpretation assumes that the only meaning of the root Sad-Lam-Waw is prayer. If you consider that it can have multiple meanings this verse gains a beautiful connection with it's context.

So now that I have explained my reasoning, I will reiterate my original statement To say that 2239-239 is about prayer breaks up the flow of the chapter and the beauty of the literature; but to say that those verses are about marriage reestablishes the logical order and consistent meaning of the verses preceeding and succeeding them.

anthonywallace

My reasoning for not taking "salawati" in 2238-239 as "prayers" comes from the context if you look at the verses preceeding it and the verses after it they are about marriage. The word "salawat" can mean many things other than just prayer, according to the rootlist

Sad-Lam-Waw prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnifiy, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached. In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached). Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

It would make sense, in the context, that "salawat" and "salat" would not be referring to "prayers" and "prayer" but rather, to "remain attached." From the same lexicon, "wusta"

Waw-Siin-Tay = middle, midst, among, best, best part of a thing, mediate/intercede between, most remote from the extremes, equidistant, intermediate, most conforming/equitable/just/balanced, most excellent of them in particular.

When we consider the verse in context, that it must be about marriage; 2238 would be most appropriately interpreted as "Preserve the connections (between you and your wives), and the best/central connection (between you and God), and stand before God obeying humbly." We should STAY MARRIED AND OBEDIENT TO GOD, being disobedient to GOD will cause stress in our relationship possibly causing divorce; or divorce is disobedient to GOD.

239 now makes sense in this context, as maintaining the marriage while in fear (of an enemy or disaster). It ties elegantly into 240 being about leaving a widow (in case you did maintain the connection while fleeing but were killed while away). This is how literature works; one verse leads into the next, they make sense in an orderly fashion and work together with one another. Your interpretation assumes that the only meaning of the root Sad-Lam-Waw is prayer. If you consider that it can have multiple meanings this verse gains a beautiful connection with it's context.

So now that I have explained my reasoning, I will reiterate my original statement To say that 2239-239 is about prayer breaks up the flow of the chapter and the beauty of the literature; but to say that those verses are about marriage reestablishes the logical order and consistent meaning of the verses preceeding and succeeding them.

good points, and i will have to continue my study...

However, 2238 -2239 can also be about the importance of observing the prayers too, for both the male and female ...Thus if this verse is about prayer, then everthing stands...untill further notice...

peace

rsw

May I help direct you in your study? Here is the section of the Qu'ran which we are discussing

2221 And do not marry the females who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if she attracts you. And do not marry the males who set up partners until they believe. For a believing servant is better than one who sets up partners even if he attracts you. Those invite to the Fire, while God is inviting to Paradise and forgiveness by His leave. He clarifies His revelations for the people that they may remember.
clearly about marriage

2222 And they ask you about menstruation? Say ?It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you.? God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.
clearly about intercourse with our wives

2223 Your women are a cultivation for you. So approach your cultivation as you wish towards goodness. And be aware of God and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.
clearly about the awareness of God in our relationship with our wives

2224 And do not make God the subject of your casual oaths. Be pious and righteous and reconcile among the people; and God is Listener, Knower.
We will not be held accountable for our insincere oaths (spoken rhetorically or without intention to perform, etc)... not explicitly about marriage, but the next verses tie it into the main idea

2225 God will not call you to account for your casual oaths, but He will call you to account for what has entered your hearts. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
again, not about marriage, but oaths. about how we will be called into account for a certain type of oath.

2226 For those who abstain from their wives, they shall be givin four months. If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
reveals what type of oath we will be accounted for. this verse is clearly leading into divorce. divorce is a breaking of an oath with God, bringing the previous verses well into the topic.

2227 And if they insist on the divorce, then God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
if you're not breaking your oath by your will God will know.

2228 And the divorced women shall wait for three menstruation periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in God and the Last Day. And their husbands would then have just cause to return together, if they both wish to reconcile. And for what obligations the women are owed, so similarly must they fulfill their obligations. But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this. And God is Noble, Wise.
more details about divorce.

2229 The divorce is allowed twice. So, either they remain together equitably, or they part ways with kindness. And it is not lawful for you to take back anything you have given the women unless you fear that they will not uphold God?s limits. So if you fear that they will not uphold God?s limits, then there is no sin upon them for what is given back. These are God?s limits so do not transgress them. And whoever shall transgress God?s limits, then these are the wicked.
more about divorce

2230 So if he divorces her again, then she will not be lawful for him until she has married another husband. If the other husband divorces her, then there is no sin that they come back together if they think they will uphold God?s limits. These are God?s limits, He clarifies them for a people that know.
more on divorce

2231 And if you have divorced the women, and they have reached their required interim period, then either you remain together equitably, or part ways equitably. And do not reconcile with them so you can harm them out of animosity; whoever does so is doing wickedness to his soul; and do not take God?s revelations lightly. And remember God?s blessings towards you, and what was sent down to you of the Scripture and the wisdom, He warns you with it. And be aware of God and know that God is Knowledgeable in all things.
DIVORCE.

2232 And if you divorce the women, and they have reached their required interim period, then do not prevent them from remarrying their husbands if they amicably agree amongst themselves out of what is best. This is to remind any of you who believe in God and the Last Day, this is better for you and purer; and God knows while you do not know.
....DIVORCE. see a pattern here?

2233 And the divorced mothers are allowed to suckle their children two full years, if they wish to complete the suckling. And the man for whom the child is born is responsible for both their provisions and clothing equitably. We do not burden a soul beyond its means. No mother shall be harmed because of her child, nor shall a father be harmed because of his child. And for the guardian is the same requirement. So if they wish to separate out of mutual agreement and counsel, then there is no sin upon them. And if you want to hire nursing mothers, then there is no sin upon you if you return what you have been given equitably. And be aware of God, and know that God is watching over what you do.
still about divorce.

2234 And for those of you whose lives are terminated and they leave widows behind, then their widows will have a required interim period of four months and ten days. So when they reach their required interim, then there is no sin upon you for what they do to themselves equitably. And God is Expert to what you do.
about leaving a widow. still related to marriage.

2235 And there is no sin upon you if you openly propose marriage to these women, or you keep it between yourselves. God knows that you will be thinking of them, but do not meet them secretly, unless you have something righteous to say. And do not consummate the marriage until the required interim is reached in the Scripture. And know that God knows what is in your souls, so be aware of Him, and know that God is Forgiving, Compassionate
. more on marriage and widows.

2236 There is no sin upon you if you divorce the women before having sexual intercourse with them, or before setting the dowry for them. Let them have recompense, the rich according to his means, and the poor according to his means. Recompense which is in goodness, a responsibility for those in kindness.
about divorce

2237 And if you divorce them before having sexual intercourse with them, but you have already set the dowry for them; then you must give half of what you have agreed, unless they forgive or the guardian over the marriage contract forgives. And if you forgive, it is closer to righteousness. And do not forget the favor between you; God is Seer over what you do.
yet more on divorce.

2238 Maintain the communions; and a balanced communion; and stand dutiful for God.
Maybe you believe so. I believe it is about staying in relationship with those you swore you would, as it is your duty to God to do so since you swore to God you would at your marriage. Or maybe the subject suddenly changed to "HOW TO PRAY". God knows best.

2239 But if you are in a state of fear, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.
About maintaining marriage even while fleeing for fear. but what do I know; maybe it's about shortening the "middle" prayer, whatever that is.

2240 And for those of you whose lives are terminated and they leave widows behind; a testimony to them that they may enjoy for one year without being made to vacate. If they leave then there is no sin upon you for what they do to themselves in goodness; and God is Noble, Wise.
About the widows you may leave behind if what you feared overtakes you.
2241 And for the divorced women to have recompense is an obligation upon the righteous.
still about widows, divorcees, marriage, wives, ETC. If the previous two verses were about prayer then God must have a good reason for putting them between these verses about divorce, right?

2242 It is such that God clarifies to you His revelations that you may comprehend.
Does "GOD clarifies" mean "changes topic mid-discussion" or "is logical and cohesive"?

anthonywallace

I see were you comin from...

also, threwout the Quran verses come out of nowere, like even that whole chapter is not about divorce only ect...

Thats just like chapter 9, on how they think the last two verses should be removed cause of code 19...Im still studyin it so havent reach any conclutions, but reagading chap 9...the theme or " flow" of it is about war, killing, and attacking...while the last 2 verses sugest turnin away from them witha saying...but on the contray the rest of the chapt is about killin and fighten them if they turn away, Not turnin away with a saying....ect...

But I see were u comin from thoe...

anthonywallace

Here is the Literal translation

Transliteration Quli odAAoo Allaha awi odAAoo alrrahmana ayyan ma tadAAoo falahu al-asmao alhusna wala tajhar bisalatika wala tukhafit biha waibtaghi bayna thalika sabeelan

Waquli alhamdu lillahi allathee lam yattakhith waladan walam yakun lahu shareekun fee almulki walam yakun lahu waliyyun mina alththulli wakabbirhu takbeeran

Literal Say "Call God, or call the merciful, whichever you call, so for Him (are) the names the best/most beautiful (the good names), and do not publicize/declare/raise (voice) with your prayers, and do not silence/lower and hide with it, and wish/desire between that a way/method."

And say "The praise/gratitude (is) to God who did not take (a) child (son), and (there) had not been/is not a partner for Him in the ownership/kingdom , and (there) had not been/is not for Him (a) guardian/protector from the humbleness/weakness , and greaten/magnify Him , greatness/enlargement ."

It is absoulute proof to say this after making intention for your prayer

11110 Say " Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that."

11111 And say " All praise to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have an all out of weakness. And glorify Him greatly."

Do you see it? Here is an alternative view

11110 Say " Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not show-off with your prayers, and do not overawe and hide with it, and seek a way between that."

11111 And say " All praise to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have an all out of weakness. And glorify Him greatly."

peace

rsw

17107 Say ?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?
We are being told to tell people to exercise their free will, and advising them that people of other religions who have recieved the same guidance recognise it.

17108 And they say ?Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
We are told that this is what those people of other religions say.

17109 And they fall upon their chins crying, and it increases them in humility.
and we are told this is what those people of other religions do.

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.
we are being told to tell the people of other religions to call God by the name they do in their own religion, that it is all the same to God; and also we are not to be too obvious about our relationships with these people of other religions, nor too secretive. OR IS IT INSTRUCTIONS FOR BEFORE PRAYER? ONLY GOD KNOWS

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.
This seems like the perfect thing to say to a member of a previous religion who may have been influenced by their religion to set up partners. BUT GOD KNOWS BEST, maybe it is supposed to be recited before each prayer!

So in conclusion,
17107 -- ABOUT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS
17108 -- ABOUT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS
17109 -- ABOUT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS
17110 -- I believe ABOUT PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS, you believe what you will.
17111 -- I believe the subject has still not changed; but you will believe what you will.

The meaning of the literal translation is just like the meaning of the arabic -- It can only be interpreted as part of the context! This is very important to me; it may not be to you but I believe it is central to understanding any text (whether Qu'ran or cookbook or anything written or spoken at all; no statement can be understood as accurately outside of it's context as it can be understood within its context).

anthonywallace

?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?

" Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that."

" All praises to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have an all out of weakness. And glorify Him greatly."

I think u may be right, looking at it from this way...It depends now with me on weather the " is suppose to be at the end of 17110 or at the end of " Him" in the first sentance...Example

" Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him."

And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that.

" Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that."

It does not have to be recited before each prayer... I never said that it has to be ( i dont think ), but I did say that it was proof to do so ( based on my previous inderstanding )...

rsw

Yep, that's what I'm trying to illustrate to you Of course it's good recite whatever you feel inspired to from the Qu'ran at any time you feel like (in prayer or not), but to say a statement from the Qu'ran "PROVES" something is a bold statement and shouldn't be taken lightly. If there is even a smidgeon of doubt you can not say that it is "PROVEN," only that it is your belief, or theory, or understanding. Do you see?

As far as the position of the quotations go, I am not sure. Either way I would, God-willing, still tell that believer of the other religion the whole statement; better yet I would give them the Qu'ran to read for themselves. Where they fall does not change the general topic of that set of verses, but the study and interpretation of verses is best left to each individual; and shared as belief and theory, not as "Qu'ran proves this!" There are some things that we KNOW the Qu'ran says (feed the poor, don't eat pork, etc) but there are many verses that we can not yet say we know the meaning to. God-willing one day we will be able to say of each verse "this verse proves this" but until we have a better understanding of the Qu'ran (through study and comparison) we need to be careful about how we present our interpretations (as theory or as Truth from God, theory preferably).

But that's just my suggestion for you. take it or leave it.

anthonywallace

The position of the qoutations determines if my " therory" is correct...

And also what the word " and " refers to at the beginning of 111 ( And say )....ect...

If we look at it this way

Say " Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him."

And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that.

Then this would strenthen my " theroy"....

If we look at it this way

Say " Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that."

then this would be instructions to them, and it would thus make sence that 111 is also instructions to them ( telling them that all praises to God who did not take a son....ect....and telling them to glorify Him greatly....

peace

deenor

Salaam,

My understanding is that this affirmation should be said because the quran tells us to say it. If we go back to the previous verse ; 17110 we can see that these two verses go together. First it tells us what tone to use in Salat then it continues and tells ut what to say... it starts off with>>> AND SAY, the word AND implies that it is a continuation of the previous verse, and therefor should be proclaimed in the salat.

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

Salamun aleikom!

Ahmad_Bilal

My reasoning for not taking "salawati" in 2238-239 as "prayers" comes from the context if you look at the verses preceeding it and the verses after it they are about marriage. The word "salawat" can mean many things other than just prayer, according to the rootlist

Sad-Lam-Waw prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnifiy, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached. In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached). Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.

It would make sense, in the context, that "salawat" and "salat" would not be referring to "prayers" and "prayer" but rather, to "remain attached." From the same lexicon, "wusta"

Waw-Siin-Tay = middle, midst, among, best, best part of a thing, mediate/intercede between, most remote from the extremes, equidistant, intermediate, most conforming/equitable/just/balanced, most excellent of them in particular.

When we consider the verse in context, that it must be about marriage; 2238 would be most appropriately interpreted as "Preserve the connections (between you and your wives), and the best/central connection (between you and God), and stand before God obeying humbly." We should STAY MARRIED AND OBEDIENT TO GOD, being disobedient to GOD will cause stress in our relationship possibly causing divorce; or divorce is disobedient to GOD.

239 now makes sense in this context, as maintaining the marriage while in fear (of an enemy or disaster). It ties elegantly into 240 being about leaving a widow (in case you did maintain the connection while fleeing but were killed while away). This is how literature works; one verse leads into the next, they make sense in an orderly fashion and work together with one another. Your interpretation assumes that the only meaning of the root Sad-Lam-Waw is prayer. If you consider that it can have multiple meanings this verse gains a beautiful connection with it's context.

So now that I have explained my reasoning, I will reiterate my original statement To say that 2239-239 is about prayer breaks up the flow of the chapter and the beauty of the literature; but to say that those verses are about marriage reestablishes the logical order and consistent meaning of the verses preceeding and succeeding them.

Peace,

Very good post. May The God continue to grant us knowledge and understanding of His revelations. Surely, He is the all-knowing, able to enlighten us in all things.

Peace,

Ahmad

anthonywallace

Salaam,

My understanding is that this affirmation should be said because the quran tells us to say it. If we go back to the previous verse ; 17110 we can see that these two verses go together. First it tells us what tone to use in Salat then it continues and tells ut what to say... it starts off with>>> AND SAY, the word AND implies that it is a continuation of the previous verse, and therefor should be proclaimed in the salat.

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

Salamun aleikom!

Salaam Deenor,

The positions of the qutations determines if we are right. These verses are written two ways

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between. "

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.And glorify Him greatly."

Thus

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.?

Here we are instructed to say this to them.

17110 And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

Here we are being told not to show off nor be quiet with prayer and to seek a way between that.

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.?

Here we are being told to say this after forming your intention for prayer.

17111 And glorify Him greatly.

Here we are being told to Glorify God greatly after saying the statement. ( or to praise Him much/ repetedly, ect...)

Now lets look at it from the alternative view, with the " qutations " covering the whole verses, as is lteraly translated

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between. "

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.And glorify Him greatly. "

Here we are being told to tell them who to call upon, and tell them not to showoff nor be quiet.

And then we are being told to tell the praises to God who has no son, nor partner nor ally out of weakness. And that they should glorify Him greatly.

In other words we will be instructed to tell them the whole statment of 110 - 111. Therefore the proclamation to them would look like this

?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?

" Call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not raise your voise through prayer, and do not be quiet and hide with it, and form an intention between that."

" All praises to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have an all out of weakness. And glorify Him greatly."

The position of the qutations in 17110 - 111 determines if we are to say this in prayer ( towards God ), or if we are to say all of it to them.

peace

rsw

Salaam Deenor,

The positions of the qutations determines if we are right. These verses are written two ways

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between. "