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Gods messenger speaks out on rejection

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    anthonywallace
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    Yes im sure, I have the Quran.

    So are you saying that im not a messenger???

    Was Muhammad the last messenger???

    Do you think that God will send no more messengers??? It is such that God sends astray he who is a transgressor, doubter.

    Who said that I couldnt be a messenger of God??? Bring your proof... Bring your proof that its ok to deny anyone who comes in the name of God... Period....

    The Scriptures say it is even a beautiful sight to even see the feet on someone comin to tell the good news... who announces freedom... and who say " Your God Reigns."

    Or do I have to cause a spring or somethin to burst, or bring an offering from heaven, ect...

    Wait, and I will wait with you...

    Glory be to my Lord. Am I anything but a human messenger.

    I only call on my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with Him...

    I am of those who submits...

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      IronSky
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      Peace to all,

      ok anthony so what is the message you were sent to bring us, what makes you so different and special than us, what have you brought or taught that we dont know from the Quran,,, can I just recite verse to you and say , see im a messenger of God so obey me?

      Kurt

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        anthonywallace
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        You shall not serve except God, first of all...

        And I give good news to the poor, and I anounce freedom for the prisoners, and I give sight to the blind, and I say " This is the year that the Lord has chosen..."

        And I bring you the true communion, and the daily teachings, and the daily prayers, and the daily reading...And I recite what is inspired to me of the Scripture... And I warn a people who never recieved a warner before me with the Quran...

        And I recite to you your Lords revelations,

        God knows well who His messengers are... He chooses whom He wills from among the people and the angels...

        And

        I am no more than a human bein like you...

        I have my deeds and you have your deeds...

        God is suffiecent as a witness between us...

        I am Gods messenger to you all...

        God misguides whom He wishes and guides to Him whoever is repenting.

        He is my Lord, there is no god but He, in Him I place my trust and to Him is my repentance.

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          jonny_k
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          Peace "awallace",
          Can you lease provide us with evidence like 1) perhaps a sophisticated interlocking numerical code shwoing that you are sent by GOD or 2) make a prediction like e.g. what planet/comet will move where and in what amount of time or 3) make an accurate prediction of what will happen to a certain group of people and at what time i.e. giving the exact date. GOD Bless!

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            Dotty
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            Am I anything but a human messenger.

            Anything BUT a human? These words suggest you are not human.

            I am no more than a human bein like you...

            Mmmmmmm, so which one is it?

            Peace,
            dotty

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              jonny_k
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              Peace sis "dotty",
              I beleive he meant "am i anything but a human messenger?" as a question. A similar statement is found in the Quran where Muhammad says this regarding himself. It implies that one is no more than a human messenger. GOD Bless!

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                Hati
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                Salam,

                What s the name of your revelations? Please have it posted so we can compare with the Quran.

                Hati

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                  anthonywallace
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                  Salam,

                  What s the name of your revelations? Please have it posted so we can compare with the Quran.

                  Hati

                  The name of my revelations is the Quran,

                  Peace "awallace",
                  Can you lease provide us with evidence like 1) perhaps a sophisticated interlocking numerical code shwoing that you are sent by GOD or 2) make a prediction like e.g. what planet/comet will move where and in what amount of time or 3) make an accurate prediction of what will happen to a certain group of people and at what time i.e. giving the exact date. GOD Bless!

                  peace,

                  1. I dont have a numerical code showing that I was sent by God. ( however I dont know how people feel about numerology, and im still studyin it myself, but it me that I do have a message to deliver... It is my first pinnacle...And it has been proven to be accurate untill proven otherwise). But thats not only why I claim to be a messenger, it has clarified alot of events in my life thoe and helped me direct my energys.

                  Proof that I was sent by God is that I recite to you His revelations and clarify for you some of the matters you dispute...and I purify you... and teach u the wisdom...And I believe in God and His words. And I manefest the communion and clarify to u the salat...And I give good news...and I announce freedom for the prisoners... and I give sight to the blind...and I free all who suffers...

                  And I dont have what u are asking me...

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                    IronSky
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                    Peace to all,

                    ok Anthony, I am a messenger too, I have been sent to tell you that your not a messenger, dont believe me then bring forth your proof that im not.

                    Kurt

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                      anthonywallace
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                      My proof is that thats the same thing the rejecters said to the other messengers. They said that they were messengers sent to tell them that they were not messengers of God

                      1343 And those who reject say "You are not a messenger." Say "God is sufficient as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture."

                      I caint say you are not a messenger if you claim to be one... But I can say that u are a messenger of Satan sent to tell Gods messenger that he is not a messenger...And u dont have proof that I am not and cannot be one of Gods messengers... And God is witness over all things...He knows what is said secretly and publicly...

                      Follow those who dont ask you for a wage and are guided...

                      A messenger will come to you to authenticate what is with you, and you will believe in him and support him...

                      If I stray then i stary to my own loss and if I am guided then its because of what my Lord has inspired to me...

                      Peace,

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                        AlFajr
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                        Peace Anthony

                        3613 And put forth for them the example of the people of the town, when the messengers came to it.
                        3614 Where We sent two to them, but they disbelieved in them, so We supported them with a third one, thus they said ?We are messengers to you.?
                        3615 They replied ?You are but human beings like us, and the Almighty did not send down anything, you are only telling lies.?
                        3616 They said ?Our Lord knows that we have been sent to you.?
                        3617 ?And we are only required to give a clear delivery.?
                        3618 They replied ?We have welcomed you better than you deserve. If you do not cease, we will stone you, and you will receive a painful retribution from us!?
                        3619 They said ?Keep your welcome with you, for you have been reminded. Indeed, you are transgressing people.?
                        3620 And a man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying ?O my people, follow the messengers.?
                        3621 ?Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided.?

                        What seperated the 3 messengers from the man who came "running from the farthest part of the city"?

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                          Dotty
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                          I beleive he meant "am i anything but a human messenger?" as a question. A similar statement is found in the Quran where Muhammad says this regarding himself. It implies that one is no more than a human messenger.

                          Thanks jonny. I guess I read too much "english" into it. Thanks for the clarification.

                          Peace,
                          dotty

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                            Dotty
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                            Sorry friends, but after I posted here I decided I should have posted in the thread "Should we stone A. Wallace?" instead.
                            ... so I copied and pasted it there.

                            Peace,
                            dotty

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                              anthonywallace
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                              Peace Anthony
                              What seperated the 3 messengers from the man who came "running from the farthest part of the city"?

                              Peace aalmakto

                              I dont think I undersatand your question...

                              Peace

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                                Hati
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                                Salam Anthony

                                The name of my revelations is the Quran,

                                So most here in the forum are messengers!

                                Peace be upon you Messengers.

                                Hati

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                                  anthonywallace
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                                  Peace Hati,

                                  Yes, a few i believe...

                                  Praise be to God, and peace be upon His servants whom He has selected.

                                  This is the message I recieved from the reading last night. It goes somethin like this

                                  This is what made me aware by the grace of God of a messenger that He would send to clarify ( about the smoke prophesy ).

                                  When He said " How is it now that you remember, when a clarifyin messenger came to you."

                                  And when He say " Surly, We were to send messengers."

                                  (I'm go look more in depth to it when i get ready thoe...)

                                  There is no change in Gods way used on the people of old.

                                  And

                                  When the messengers who are sent to clarify for the people. This translation is the clearest, it has been made easy in my language. The best I done seen thus far.

                                  " You shall make it clear to the people and not conceal it."

                                  He also sends messengers to inspire whomever He wishes.

                                  And if He were to send tha angels, then He would send them as human messengers.

                                  And He chooses messengers from among the people and from among the angels.

                                  And He sends messengers who recites His revelations to the people, and purify them, and teach them the wisdom, and teach them what they did not know. And before it they were clearly astray...

                                  He sends messengers among yourselves.

                                  Witnessing is commanded in Islam.

                                  I would be honored to deliver my Lords messages! not everybody is me. Work as you see fit and I will work.

                                  " And we are not sent except by the command of your Lord. Whith Him is our present and our future."

                                  For that you shall preach and be upright as you have been commanded.

                                  I am of those who have submitted.

                                  And none can attain this except those who are paitient. And none can attain this except those who are extremly fortunate.

                                  Peace

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                                    Hati
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                                    Peace Hati,

                                    Yes, a few i believe...

                                    Praise be to God, and peace be upon His servants whom He has selected.

                                    This is the message I recieved from the reading last night. It goes somethin like this

                                    This is what made me aware by the grace of God of a messenger that He would send to clarify ( about the smoke prophesy ).

                                    When He said " How is it now that you remember, when a clarifyin messenger came to you."

                                    And when He say " Surly, We were to send messengers."

                                    (I'm go look more in depth to it when i get ready thoe...)

                                    There is no change in Gods way used on the people of old.

                                    Salam Anthony,

                                    Will be of great help if someone, Allah knows best who he is, you may be the one or you may be an impostor.

                                    It all comes by the will of God as He mention in 7227.

                                    Anyway I wish you could enlighten us re 4410. Will it be

                                    1. an earthquake?
                                    2. a volcano?
                                    3. pollution?
                                    4. Asteroids?
                                    5. The Hour?
                                      When? Where? SouthAmerica? North America ? Europe? Middle East? Asia?

                                    Or none of the above.. Allah knows best.

                                    till the Certain came to us.' --
                                    God bless you.

                                    Hati

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                                      anthonywallace
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                                      Salam Anthony,

                                      Will be of great help if someone, Allah knows best who he is, you may be the one or you may be an impostor.

                                      It all comes by the will of God as He mention in 7227.

                                      Anyway I wish you could enlighten us re 4410. Will it be

                                      1. an earthquake?
                                      2. a volcano?
                                      3. pollution?
                                      4. Asteroids?
                                      5. The Hour?
                                        When? Where? SouthAmerica? North America ? Europe? Middle East? Asia?

                                      Or none of the above.. Allah knows best.

                                      till the Certain came to us.' --
                                      God bless you.

                                      Hati

                                      Peace Hati,

                                      There will be a day when the sky will bring a visble smoke, it will envelop the people.

                                      Just keep watch;thats all I know. Watch for ?the day? the sky will bring a visible smoke.

                                      Peace be upon you.

                                      "Lets go to the one who can see visions."

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                                        peace4life
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                                        And if He were to send tha angels, then He would send them as human messengers.

                                        And He chooses messengers from among the people and from among the angels.

                                        I always pondered upon these verses to consider that if there are human and jinn messengers (not prophets there are no more books/scriptures to come) then there are certainly a few around, including Rashad Khalifa, who amazed many and converted hundreds if not thousands with spreading the message of God's signature / code 19. There is a purpose for everyone and everything.

                                        Yes many of us can experience visions and spread the message, but we don't go around saying "I'm a messenger".

                                        "visble smoke" I'd hate to see something like a nuclear or biological bomb etc. But YES it is in the Quran and everything in the Quran is true and will happen.

                                        We shall trust in Allah and may He guide us and support us as we seek to do rightious and support others in our temporary lives.

                                        God bless.

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                                          anthonywallace
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                                          I always pondered upon these verses to consider that if there are human and jinn messengers (not prophets there are no more books/scriptures to come) then there are certainly a few around, including Rashad Khalifa, who amazed many and converted hundreds if not thousands with spreading the message of God's signature / code 19. There is a purpose for everyone and everything.

                                          Yes many of us can experience visions and spread the message, but we don't go around saying "I'm a messenger".

                                          God bless.

                                          Some do, some dont.

                                          Peace,

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