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Gods messenger speaks out on rejection

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    anders
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    "visble smoke" I'd hate to see something like a nuclear or biological bomb etc. But YES it is in the Quran and everything in the Quran is true and will happen.
    We shall trust in Allah and may He guide us and support us as we seek to do rightious and support others in our temporary lives.
    There will be some human caused disaster as well, but the greatest show on earth ever involves a coming togheter of heaven and earth so to speak. It's a frequency thing, those who have developed sufficiently will see (some of) heaven and tune in, others who have not will see only the 3D changes and disaster and stay tuned to that.
    The great devide. )

    With 149 violent verses and more than 600 conflicting ones you'd have to outdo Houdini to make all of them true. )

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      Bahman
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      No I don't speak Arabic.

      Peace
      How you know the meaning of translation you use is right ?
      What makes you sure Quran is words of God?
      Which translation you use?
      Should your follower use same dress code and appearance as they have done in past.?
      Is that your real name as Id ?
      What is your mother language?
      What is your education? Primary, High school? Colledge ?.....?
      Messages are complete and detailed and anybody recite is messenger.
      God's Messengers have had solid proof , What is yours?
      Be aware that such claim is not due to hallucination using medication drugs or other drugs.
      Peace.

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        Bahman
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        Salam Anthony,

        1. Will it be
        1. an earthquake?
        2. a volcano?
        3. pollution?
        4. Asteroids?
        5. The Hour?
          When? Where? SouthAmerica? North America ? Europe? Middle East? Asia?

        Or none of the above.. Allah knows best.

        till the Certain came to us.' --
        God bless you.

        Hati

        Peace.
        Pollution

        He is the One who established gardens, trellised and untrellised, and palm trees, and crops with different tastes, and olives, and pomegranate - fruits that are similar, yet dissimilar. Eat from their fruits, and give the due alms on the day of harvest, and do not waste anything. He does not love the wasters.
        6141
        Peace

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          Peace
          How you know the meaning of translation you use is right ?
          What makes you sure Quran is words of God?
          Which translation you use?
          Should your follower use same dress code and appearance as they have done in past.?
          Is that your real name as Id ?
          What is your mother language?
          What is your education? Primary, High school? Colledge ?.....?
          Messages are complete and detailed and anybody recite is messenger.
          God's Messengers have had solid proof , What is yours?
          Be aware that such claim is not due to hallucination using medication drugs or other drugs.
          Peace.

          peace

          1. Because it advocates ritgeousness and forbids evil... angel

          And if I have a problem with a word or understanding of a verse I know how to interpret clear meanings by my Lords leave... jedi

          1. The Quran could not have been produced without God...and it is not the saying of an outcast devil >D...

          2. I use free minds translation basicly. jedi

          3. ???

          4. Yes that my real name, Ive been meaning to change it. O0

          5. My mother language English

          6. G.E.D giveup

          7. proofs a prayer and whatever I teach I have absolute proof from Quran to back it up. Do you know how to salat pr ??? And I am no more than a reminder...just in case it benifits the one reminded... angel

          alot of ??? 's

          peace

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            peace

            1. Yes that my real name, Ive been meaning to change it. O0

            Why?

            Salaam

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              Why?

              Salaam

              Not change it foreal, but change my user name... its long....

              peace

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                Not change it foreal, but change my user name... its long....

                peace

                Please don't. !

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                  Please don't. !

                  A Messenger without Arabic name is like Jew without Hat . rotfl

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                    peace

                    1. Because it advocates ritgeousness and forbids evil... angel

                    And if I have a problem with a word or understanding of a verse I know how to interpret clear meanings by my Lords leave... jedi

                    1. The Quran could not have been produced without God...and it is not the saying of an outcast devil >D...

                    2. I use free minds translation basicly. jedi

                    3. ???

                    4. Yes that my real name, Ive been meaning to change it. O0

                    5. My mother language English

                    6. G.E.D giveup

                    7. proofs a prayer and whatever I teach I have absolute proof from Quran to back it up. Do you know how to salat pr ??? And I am no more than a reminder...just in case it benifits the one reminded... angel

                    alot of ??? 's

                    peace

                    Peace Truth Seeker.
                    Wasting time but I have to do it

                    You are not the only one confused if you are not on drug. There on this forum and every where, this is era of this screen and many are confused like you, even they prophesize things which never happens. At leat you are reading Quran but wonder if you understand al these verses.
                    No Messenger come from God without =1]clear proof to match knowledge and understanding of his or her time.
                    If you have such proof then post it other way all readers like me will ignore your post from now as done to other people and then you will be alone with your imagination.
                    But let me response your points.
                    1- pervious scriptures does same why Quran?
                    2- ? ? ? ? ? ?
                    3- So reading that translation initiated your claim as messenger? Layth should be happy
                    4- You see Jews use their hat , Pope has Crown , Mohamdans have Turban and beard is common in all of them. Why you grow your beard, just to be cool or links to your claim, Who knows may next Olympic your name be on top of site and then millions follow you and will dress like you and keep their appearance as you and even they talk like you , eat like you, ???. Like you . )
                    That is reason aim asking if you keep same dress code and appearance or you will change it like your name ?
                    I know younger poeple which dress like their wrapper idols )
                    5- I am sure you will change it to an Arabic name like Cat Steven and many other which wrongly trapped in Mohamedans belief than Islam 319. A messenger like you without Arabic name is like a Jew without Hat, Pope without Crown , Imam and sheikh without turban.
                    6- My mother did not know any English and could not write and read her languge too. But I see with your GED yet your English is close to mine )
                    7- GED you mean general education diploma, in the Time of prophet Mohammed not many Arabs were educated ( I am not sure how many of them are now?) and his scribing and reading of messages that could be imitated now, compared to his education could be considered Miracle at the time and location , I am not sure how many of those 1.2 billion Mohammedans could read and understood Quran in Arabic. But I know many of our ancestors were forced by sword to convert as Mohammedan and yet they do same.
                    You need to educate yourself because you are at HI-TECH era and should be able to answer scientific and technological questions.
                    Creating a video clip and reciting translations do give you any credit to be messenger unless you come with clear proof for this era. )
                    8- don?t worry about salat, first proof for your book and your claim then salat and etc.
                    9- 3 Years ago I was spending time with a drug addict helping him to quit, he was doing it in hide and discussing Quran ans asking many questions. Is long story but finally he claimed that he is ? ZUl Gharnaian? when I asked for proof he claimed that he could stop clouds when are moving. Next few nights was moon light and patches of cloud moving ( not in shape of Allah in Arabic ) and we had a company which was aware of claim.
                    I asked him to show it , took 15 minutes and then he said ?not to night ? rotfl

                    Listen dear young truth seeker, reading Quran and taking advise of God Messages is great thing you are doing and believe me that you would be saved and you would have more respect if just inform others of messages it will be enough. The book is reminder itself and if God want will chose you and gives you clear proof that I and other will not ask so many questions from you.
                    Here I may ask moderators saving time of members for nonsense claims as is recommended to create a section for ?Messengers with no proof.? Unless having clear proof.
                    Refuge into God avoiding Satan
                    Peace.

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                      Peace Truth Seeker.
                      Wasting time but I have to do it

                      You are not the only one confused if you are not on drug. There on this forum and every where, this is era of this screen and many are confused like you, even they prophesize things which never happens. At leat you are reading Quran but wonder if you understand al these verses.
                      No Messenger come from God without =1]clear proof to match knowledge and understanding of his or her time.
                      If you have such proof then post it other way all readers like me will ignore your post from now as done to other people and then you will be alone with your imagination.
                      But let me response your points.
                      1- pervious scriptures does same why Quran?
                      2- ? ? ? ? ? ?
                      3- So reading that translation initiated your claim as messenger? Layth should be happy
                      4- You see Jews use their hat , Pope has Crown , Mohamdans have Turban and beard is common in all of them. Why you grow your beard, just to be cool or links to your claim, Who knows may next Olympic your name be on top of site and then millions follow you and will dress like you and keep their appearance as you and even they talk like you , eat like you, ???. Like you .
                      That is reason aim asking if you keep same dress code and appearance or you will change it like your name ?
                      I know younger poeple which dress like their wrapper idols
                      5- I am sure you will change it to an Arabic name like Cat Steven and many other which wrongly trapped in Mohamedans belief than Islam 319. A messenger like you without Arabic name is like a Jew without Hat, Pope without Crown , Imam and sheikh without turban.
                      6- My mother did not know any English and could not write and read her languge too. But I see with your GED yet your English is close to mine
                      7- GED you mean general education diploma, in the Time of prophet Mohammed not many Arabs were educated ( I am not sure how many of them are now?) and his scribing and reading of messages that could be imitated now, compared to his education could be considered Miracle at the time and location , I am not sure how many of those 1.2 billion Mohammedans could read and understood Quran in Arabic. But I know many of our ancestors were forced by sword to convert as Mohammedan and yet they do same.
                      You need to educate yourself because you are at HI-TECH era and should be able to answer scientific and technological questions.
                      Creating a video clip and reciting translations do give you any credit to be messenger unless you come with clear proof for this era.
                      8- don?t worry about salat, first proof for your book and your claim then salat and etc.
                      9- 3 Years ago I was spending time with a drug addict helping him to quit, he was doing it in hide and discussing Quran ans asking many questions. Is long story but finally he claimed that he is ? ZUl Gharnaian? when I asked for proof he claimed that he could stop clouds when are moving. Next few nights was moon light and patches of cloud moving ( not in shape of Allah in Arabic ) and we had a company which was aware of claim.
                      I asked him to show it , took 15 minutes and then he said ?not to night ? rotfl

                      Listen dear young truth seeker, reading Quran and taking advise of God Messages is great thing you are doing and believe me that you would be saved and you would have more respect if just inform others of messages it will be enough. The book is reminder itself and if God want will chose you and gives you clear proof that I and other will not ask so many questions from you.
                      Here I may ask moderators saving time of members for nonsense claims as is recommended to create a section for ?Messengers with no proof.? Unless having clear proof.
                      Refuge into God avoiding Satan
                      Peace.

                      here is some clear proofs for that a** Do u know how to pray...And tell me if u already knew or if you can find it clearer somewere else...But this is what I teach, and it is clear to me...And i feel the rememberance has been found... there is no doubt about salat with me...nor is there doubt about my system...

                      There are parts of prayer which are absolute proof. If any of these parts are not fulfilled, the prayer is rendered null or void. And thus must be repeated.

                      1. After making intention for prayer to say

                      "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have a ally out of weakness."

                      (17 110-111 And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between. And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." )

                      1. To pray to God

                      Example to say "My Lord, forgive and have mercy. And You are the most Mesrciful.?

                      (1082 Therefore, you shall pray to your Lord ??)

                      1. The posture of prostration

                      ( 4102 And if you are with them and you keep the prayers for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; and let a group who has not yet prayed come and pray with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them.

                      The strong proofs of prayer

                      The following parts of prayer are proof but of a lesser category than the absolute proof factors

                      1. To fulfill the various constituent parts ( I.e. the absolute proofs and the strong proof parts) in their appropriate order as described in the section dealing with the method of prayer.

                      (2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and do good that you may succeed.)

                      1. To supplicate further after the prostration.

                      (5040 And glorify Him after prostrating.)

                      1. To pray while in the kneeling posture.

                      (243 and kneel with those who kneel.)
                      ( 3824 And David guessed that We had tested him, so he sought forgiveness from his Lord, and fell down kneeling, and repented.)

                      1. To fulfill all parts of the prayer with dignity and respect- without any haste.

                      (1965 "The Lord of the heavens and the Earth and what is in-between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?&quot

                      And I dont know how many times i have to say, that im only a reminder...and no matter what proofs you bring they still not go believe...

                      The Quran ( Proof/reminder ) is hear, but just because it is hear or you may have it doesnt mean that they go believe...

                      Most of you only ask for a sign or proofs because most are just plain evil and wont believe...

                      And you want a sign. Praise be to God, He will show you His signs. And your Lord is not unaware of what you all do...

                      And from His signs is the night and the day, for a people who have understanding...

                      Mabey that guy who was on drugs saw something, but it was too intence for him... And he didnt have the will power...or God didnt find it in him...or it coyuldve been the other way around...

                      1. ??? and i believe in the preious srciptures and the Quran...

                      2 ???

                      1. No it didnt initiate my claim as messenger...althoe I find his translation to be a good one to read and recite clearly...so it helps... and I am messenger...

                      2. I grow my beard because of 2196 as a symbol of dedication to God untill I pay Him what is owed . No, let each work and dress and eat ect... according to his own way,

                      3. no, im not changin my name...

                      4. yes, general education diploma... and yea fa sho im learnin everyday...

                      5. you should salat before a day comes that will be dificult...

                      Please don't. !

                      O.K. I wont...

                      but why not???

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                        here is some clear proofs for that a** Do u know how to pray...And tell me if u already knew or if you can find it clearer somewere else...But this is what I teach, and it is clear to me...And i feel the rememberance has been found... there is no doubt about salat with me...nor is there doubt about my system...

                        There are parts of prayer which are absolute proof. If any of these parts are not fulfilled, the prayer is rendered null or void. And thus must be repeated.

                        1. After making intention for prayer to say

                        "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have a ally out of weakness."

                        (17 110-111 And do not be too loud in making your communion, nor too quite; but seek a path in between. And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." )

                        1. To pray to God

                        Example to say "My Lord, forgive and have mercy. And You are the most Mesrciful.?

                        (1082 Therefore, you shall pray to your Lord ??)

                        1. The posture of prostration

                        ( 4102 And if you are with them and you keep the prayers for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have prostrated then let them stand guard from behind; and let a group who has not yet prayed come and pray with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them.

                        The strong proofs of prayer

                        The following parts of prayer are proof but of a lesser category than the absolute proof factors

                        1. To fulfill the various constituent parts ( I.e. the absolute proofs and the strong proof parts) in their appropriate order as described in the section dealing with the method of prayer.

                        (2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and do good that you may succeed.)

                        1. To supplicate further after the prostration.

                        (5040 And glorify Him after prostrating.)

                        1. To pray while in the kneeling posture.

                        (243 and kneel with those who kneel.)
                        ( 3824 And David guessed that We had tested him, so he sought forgiveness from his Lord, and fell down kneeling, and repented.)

                        1. To fulfill all parts of the prayer with dignity and respect- without any haste.

                        (1965 "The Lord of the heavens and the Earth and what is in-between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him?&quot

                        And I dont know how many times i have to say, that im only a reminder...and no matter what proofs you bring they still not go believe...

                        The Quran ( Proof/reminder ) is hear, but just because it is hear or you may have it doesnt mean that they go believe...

                        Most of you only ask for a sign or proofs because most are just plain evil and wont believe...

                        And you want a sign. Praise be to God, He will show you His signs. And your Lord is not unaware of what you all do...

                        And from His signs is the night and the day, for a people who have understanding...

                        Mabey that guy who was on drugs saw something, but it was too intence for him... And he didnt have the will power...or God didnt find it in him...or it coyuldve been the other way around...

                        1. ??? and i believe in the preious srciptures and the Quran...

                        2 ???

                        1. No it didnt initiate my claim as messenger...althoe I find his translation to be a good one to read and recite clearly...so it helps... and I am messenger...

                        2. I grow my beard because of 2196 as a symbol of dedication to God untill I pay Him what is owed . No, let each work and dress and eat ect... according to his own way,

                        3. no, im not changin my name...

                        4. yes, general education diploma... and yea fa sho im learnin everyday...

                        5. you should salat before a day comes that will be dificult...

                        O.K. I wont...

                        but why not???

                        Peace
                        I think you are not saying anything new you are only posting free mind translation which we all knows why dont you come with different more accurate meaning and if you are a reminder then what are you doing here why dont you go and deliver this true message to sunni's.

                        Can you do that?

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                          My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
                          But if you turn away, then I have not asked you for any reward, for my reward is with God. And I have been commanded to be of those who have submitted. jedi

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                            Peace
                            I think you are not saying anything new you are only posting free mind translation which we all knows why dont you come with different more accurate meaning and if you are a reminder then what are you doing here why dont you go and deliver this true message to sunni's.

                            Can you do that?

                            peace

                            This nothin new that i am sayin to you, I never said it was nope ... But it is to clarify most of what is disputed about, I believe ! ... or maby not hmm ... but I have done a careful study on this matter particularly and others hmm ! ...and i am confident jedi ...

                            And far as im concered if what I present is not accurate to you then you are blind. (no matter what proofs you bring most of them still not go beilieve nope ). Just like those who dont believe the quran is accurate enuff. And God showed pharoah 9 accurate signs...but he disbelieved in them and turned away from them nope...

                            And i feel like I showed 3 or more accurate verses about salat... but you said they not accurate o...

                            wow

                            So you just tell me what part of it dont you understand! I would like to no what is not accurate about it ??? ... That is a real big statement to make to me! That hurt my feelings after all the studying and research and so on that I have done '(...

                            But hey, maby you can clarify salat better or know someone who can !... I feel like my teachings will even authenticate some matters to free minds... I have gathered all the facts about " prayer ." And have manefested the communion...I believe I have the perfect answer...And I feel like before what i present most people didnt know jedi... but hey I could be wrong hmm... but im usually right jedi...

                            Or do you say, " had God willed we could have said the same thing." or do you know??? enlighten me then eat eat...

                            and i feel like when you do come to them with what they know, they turn away out of animosity between them voodoo... Except a few jedi...

                            Do you know how to salat???

                            Why is there still confusion about salat??? I mean most of us have ideas are are knowledgable about it, but there is still confusion and seems like something is missing... hmm

                            And also I am supposed to be here reminden police... for the reminder benifits the believers jedi...

                            And also thats a good idea to go mobilize on the sunnis police you want to go with me??? group

                            But I have been tyed up in a disput over here, that was started by a rejecter all because i made a post presenting self as messenger and I showed a vidio reciting verses of the Quran and previous Scriptures teaching them about certain issuse ( Money, intoxicants, The Golden Rule, relationships, ect...), only using verses from the Scripture and not speaking of my own... jedi

                            And again

                            My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
                            But if you turn away, then I have not asked you for any reward, for my reward is with God. And I have been commanded to be of those who have submitted. jedi

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                              more glad tidings Im a Messenger too!!!
                              I came to this world to say that RK should divide the Quran with the number 13, as well that Anthony and Iron are not messengers.
                              It is such that God sends astray he who is a transgressor, doubter.

                              rotfl rotfl rotfl

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                                more glad tidings Im a Messenger too!!!
                                I came to this world to say that RK should divide the Quran with the number 13, as well that Anthony and Iron are not messengers.
                                It is such that God sends astray he who is a transgressor, doubter.

                                rotfl rotfl rotfl

                                What?

                                And God is suffecient as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture...

                                Whats so funny?

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                                  Following Qualities are mentioned in the Quran for a true messenger-

                                  1. He will not force anyone to follow him. (3941 We have sent down to you the Scripture for the people with truth. Then, whoever is guided is guided for himself, and whoever goes astray goes astray to his own detriment. You are not a keeper over them.) Also see 6107, 10108, and 426.
                                  2. Messenger only delivers the clear understanding of the message. (2454 Say "Obey God, and obey the messenger." But if they turn away, then he is only responsible for his obligation, and you are responsible for your obligations. And if you obey him, you will be guided. The messenger is only required to deliver clearly.) Also see 592, 1635, 1682, 2918, 3617, 6412
                                  3. Messenger does not ask for worldly things (money etc.) for personal reasons. 1151 "My people, I do not ask you for any wage, my wage is from the One who initiated me. Will you not understand?" Also see 690, 1072, 12104, 26109, 3447, and 3886, 5240, and 6846.
                                  4. Messenger is best in morals explained in Quran. (3321 Indeed, in the messenger of God, a good example has been set for you, for he who seeks God and the last day and thinks constantly about God.)
                                  5. Messenger has the ability to explain the matters in best way. (4413 how can they benefit by admonition, when there has already come to them a Messenger explaining things clearly.)

                                  Dear wallace check for yourself if you fit the profile. Here is a question "what is the meaning of aqim-u-salat?"

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                                    Following Qualities are mentioned in the Quran for a true messenger-

                                    1. He will not force anyone to follow him. (3941 We have sent down to you the Scripture for the people with truth. Then, whoever is guided is guided for himself, and whoever goes astray goes astray to his own detriment. You are not a keeper over them.) Also see 6107, 10108, and 426.
                                    2. Messenger only delivers the clear understanding of the message. (2454 Say "Obey God, and obey the messenger." But if they turn away, then he is only responsible for his obligation, and you are responsible for your obligations. And if you obey him, you will be guided. The messenger is only required to deliver clearly.) Also see 592, 1635, 1682, 2918, 3617, 6412
                                    3. Messenger does not ask for worldly things (money etc.) for personal reasons. 1151 "My people, I do not ask you for any wage, my wage is from the One who initiated me. Will you not understand?" Also see 690, 1072, 12104, 26109, 3447, and 3886, 5240, and 6846.
                                    4. Messenger is best in morals explained in Quran. (3321 Indeed, in the messenger of God, a good example has been set for you, for he who seeks God and the last day and thinks constantly about God.)
                                    5. Messenger has the ability to explain the matters in best way. (4413 how can they benefit by admonition, when there has already come to them a Messenger explaining things clearly.)

                                    Dear wallace check for yourself if you fit the profile. Here is a question "what is the meaning of aqim-u-salat?"

                                    I stay in check.

                                    1. I do not force people to follow me. Let each work according to his own,,,

                                    2. I recite the Quran and teach the Scripture and bring proofs and clarity.

                                    3. I do not ask for a wage for it, my wage is from God. And He is witness over all things.

                                    4. God sees my works and so does others. And I am no more than a human being.

                                    5. I pray that my Lord will give me a tongue that is true for thsoe who follow.

                                    I dont know much Arabic. i know salat means prayers and I think aqim means " keep up " . What does it mean?

                                    And we all appriectiate the quilaties of a messenger...

                                    peace

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                                      Dear wallace,

                                      it is good to know that you have those qualities according to your claim but i cant accept this because in the answer you do told me that prayer(asking) is salat which is strange for me that a messenger does not know what salat is? if you have read the qualities of a messenger then you must have understood that messengers duty is to explain clearly or plainly. Even if you don't know the Arabic, you must know what salat is or what it means and that is enough proof for me to consider you a liar. here are the meanings aqam and salat and base word sal.

                                      Arabic - English

                                      , , ,
                                      set up , found , erect , create , construct , institute , build , bed

                                      Arabic - English

                                      litany , rogation , supplication , prayer

                                      Arabic - English

                                      ,
                                      crinkle , clink , jingle , rattle , clang , clangor , clatter , clank , clang , rustle , tinkle , clash

                                      cobra , asp

                                      what i have been told by my messenger about salat is that it is our utterances or commitments with God and aqim (erect or build) means all those commitments one makes with God must be kept at all times (erect or build).

                                      I may have understood your previous answer wrongly so please tell me what does it means when God say "obey God and obey the messenger" please do not bother about Arabic just tell me clearly what does it means. if we have to obey God only then why God says that obey the messenger too.

                                      regards.

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                                        Peace be upon you,

                                        If you would like to know about the salat please read my post http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596931.msg174967#msg174967 Chapter 3 - The daily prayers

                                        I do know what salat is. And the clearest and direct meaning for salat is " prayer." And I have done a carful study on the subject. And gathered all the facts.

                                        Dear wallace,

                                        it is good to know that you have those qualities according to your claim but i cant accept this because in the answer you do told me that prayer(asking) is salat which is strange for me that a messenger does not know what salat is? if you have read the qualities of a messenger then you must have understood that messengers duty is to explain clearly or plainly. Even if you don't know the Arabic, you must know what salat is or what it means and that is enough proof for me to consider you a liar. here are the meanings aqam and salat and base word sal.

                                        Arabic - English

                                        , , ,
                                        set up , found , erect , create , construct , institute , build , bed

                                        Arabic - English

                                        litany , rogation , supplication , prayer

                                        Arabic - English

                                        ,
                                        crinkle , clink , jingle , rattle , clang , clangor , clatter , clank , clang , rustle , tinkle , clash

                                        cobra , asp

                                        what i have been told by my messenger about salat is that it is our utterances or commitments with God and aqim (erect or build) means all those commitments one makes with God must be kept at all times (erect or build).

                                        I may have understood your previous answer wrongly so please tell me what does it means when God say "obey God and obey the messenger" please do not bother about Arabic just tell me clearly what does it means. if we have to obey God only then why God says that obey the messenger too.

                                        regards.

                                        aqumi -u -salat means " keep the prayers."

                                        It means do what God tells you to do and do what His messenger tells you to do...Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God... And whoever obeys the messenger will be guided. And whoever turns away then it is only the duty of the messenger to deliver clearly...

                                        It is not for God to speak to a human being except threw inspiration, or by sending a messenger to inspire you, or from behind a barrier.

                                        The messenger believes in God and His words.

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                                          Peace be upon you,

                                          If you would like to know about the salat please read my post http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596931.msg174967#msg174967 Chapter 3 - The daily prayers

                                          Peace Khyaletanzim,

                                          instead of the site above refer to my new post on the prayers and update. This site will help u focus on the prayer without the other parts of the communion. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597119.msg178184#msg178184

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