Gods messenger speaks out on rejection

[anthonywallace]

Performance Agreement ( Salat/prayer )

Desired Results - ( not methods - This is what is to be done and when, not how.)

1. Pray dawn and evening at sunset during the twilight. Keep the evening prayers at sunset until it has become completely dark; 11 114, 1778

Guidelines - ( This is what not to do )

1. 443 O you who believe, do not approach the prayers while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying.

2. 984 And do not (pray for )any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.

3. 17110 And do not show-off with your prayers. And do not be quiet and hide with it. And form an intention between that.

Accountabilitys- (These are the standards of performance and the evaluation will be held on Judgment Day.)

1.Preperation -

56 O you who believe, if you rise to keep the prayers, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.

2.Focal point-

2125 And you shall take from the situation of Abraham for communion ( prayer ).

3. Praises-

17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.?

4. The Prayers

You shall pray to your Lord?. 108 2,,,

Example to say "My Lord, forgive and have mercy; and You are the most merciful.?

5.Completion-

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6210 Then, once the ( prayer is complete,) you shall disperse through the land and seek God's provisions, and remember God frequently that you may succeed.

Consequences

Rewards- ( These are the benifits, as a result of evaluation.)

2277 Those who believe and do good works, and keep the prayers,......they will have their rewards with their Lord and there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.

4162 ........and those who keep the prayers,................. to these We will give them their reward greatly.

7170 As for those who adhere to the Scripture, and they keep the prayers; We will not waste the reward of the righteous.

11114 The good deeds take away the bad.

2945 for the prayer prohibits evil and vice;

Punishment- ( These are the penaltys, as a result of the evaluation.)

7441 About the criminals.7442 ?What has caused you to be in the scorching heat??7443 They said ?We were not of those who prayed.?

969 Have you seen the one who deters, A servant from praying? Have you seen if he was being guided, Or he ordered righteousness? Have you seen if he lied and turned away? Did he not know that God can see? Alas, if he does not cease, We will strike the frontal lobe. A frontal lobe which lies and errs. So let him call on his supporter. We will call on the guardians. So do not obey him, prostrate and come near.

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[khyaletanzim]

aqumi -u -salat means " keep the prayers."

It means do what God tells you to do and do what His messenger tells you to do...Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God... And whoever obeys the messenger will be guided. And whoever turns away then it is only the duty of the messenger to deliver clearly...

It is not for God to speak to a human being except threw inspiration, or by sending a messenger to inspire you, or from behind a barrier.

The messenger believes in God and His words.

and your other post tells something else so please clarify which is right and what is the connection between them and also explain this verse too

Free_Minds2238
Maintain the connections, and the middle connection; and stand dutiful for God.

Khalifa
You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.

Do you think that there are other messengers too, living?

Regards.

[rsw]

2238 says "get on your kneez and pray to God day-in day-out."
asbolute proofs.

[khyaletanzim]

Dear wallace,

kindly read carefully and then answer.

Transliteration
Hafithoo AAala alssalawati waalssalati alwusta waqoomoo lillahi qaniteena

Literal
Observe/guard on the prayers, and the prayers the middle, and stand/call to God obeying/worshipping humbly .

Free_Minds
Maintain the connections, and the middle connection; and stand dutiful for God.

Khalifa
You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.

Yusuf_Ali
Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).

QXP
While describing some important marital Laws, it is reiterated that, your Central Duty remains the guarding of the System in which individuals and families can develop their potentials to the maximum. Stay alert in the obedience to Allah.

there is nothing in this verse which say
2238 says "get on your kneez and pray to God day-in day-out."
asbolute proofs.

what about the
aqumi -u -salat means " keep the prayers."

It means do what God tells you to do and do what His messenger tells you to do...Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God... And whoever obeys the messenger will be guided. And whoever turns away then it is only the duty of the messenger to deliver clearly...

if i did not misunderstood you telling above that following God(quran) and messenger(human) is salat. but then on your next post you have changed prayers into something familiar to what Muslims do. what it is in actual?
I need plain and clear understanding. Is it some kind of ritual? Just tell me in simple words without verses because interpretations are already the problem and will lead to another question.

Regards.

[anthonywallace]

and your other post tells something else so please clarify which is right and what is the connection between them and also explain this verse too

Free_Minds2238
Maintain the connections, and the middle connection; and stand dutiful for God.

Khalifa
You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.

Do you think that there are other messengers too, living?

Regards.

2238 And dedicate the prayers;without once missing. And worship and pray to God Almighty apologeticaly.

God will send a messenger to every nation.

Dear wallace,

kindly read carefully and then answer.

Transliteration
Hafithoo AAala alssalawati waalssalati alwusta waqoomoo lillahi qaniteena

Literal
Observe/guard on the prayers, and the prayers the middle, and stand/call to God obeying/worshipping humbly .

if i did not misunderstood you telling above that following God(quran) and messenger(human) is salat. but then on your next post you have changed prayers into something familiar to what Muslims do. what it is in actual?
I need plain and clear understanding. Is it some kind of ritual? Just tell me in simple words without verses because interpretations are already the problem and will lead to another question.

Regards.

My view of 2238 " get on your knees" has changed. See above

No I didnt mean that God and his messenger is salat. I must of misunderstood your question. You asked me what does obey God and the messenger mean. Salat means prayer. Prayer is a ritual

2238 Observe/ guard = dedicate, ritualize, maintain, ect....

I hope im being clear for you.... peace

[anthonywallace]

2238 says "get on your kneez and pray to God day-in day-out."
asbolute proofs.

Peace rsw,

I have learned the importance of choosing the words, cause even thoe some words have similar meanings and I dont believe that a translation will ever be 100%, they still can be misused. The reason why I woulnd put " get on your knees" now in my translation, because if I do; then I believe I would be forcing the people in direction ( into kneelin ) were God didnt use the word " kneel" in that verse. Thanks for pointen that out in ur other posts. It made me think....

peace

[farida]

Peace rsw,

I have learned the importance of choosing the words, cause even thoe some words have similar meanings and I dont believe that a translation will ever be 100%, they still can be misused. The reason why I woulnd put " get on your knees" now in my translation, because if I do; then I believe I would be forcing the people in direction ( into kneelin ) were God didnt use the word " kneel" in that verse. Thanks for pointen that out in ur other posts. It made me think....

peace

Salaam
God will grant those who strive high ranks, forgiveness, and mercy. He is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
peace

[Ahmad_Bilal]

Peace Anthony,

You're still claiming to be a messenger from God, interpreting the Free-Minds translation of the reading? o This is really shocking, to say the least! You change your mind on important issues so often than you're misleading others. How can you teach us the scripture if you're not sure of what it says? Where are the proofs you presented of your messengership? confused Do you believe in the messengership of Rashad Khalifa?

Peace,

Ahmad

[anthonywallace]

Peace Anthony,

You're still claiming to be a messenger from God, interpreting the Free-Minds translation of the reading? o This is really shocking, to say the least! You change your mind on important issues so often than you're misleading others. How can you teach us the scripture if you're not sure of what it says? Where are the proofs you presented of your messengership? confused Do you believe in the messengership of Rashad Khalifa?

Peace,

Ahmad

Peace,

yes im still claiming to be a messenger from God. What should I take it back because the people dont believe me and ignor some of what has been inspired to me; because the peole say " If only a sign was sent down with him from his Lord, or he had adornmennts of gold and silver, ect...? Are you suprised. So believe in God and His gental messenger prohet who believes in God and His words. And follow him so that you may be guided.

I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is but One God.

Hey, some people dont change at all. By Gods grace and His mercy, it is a blessing to get corrected and then guided even further. Do you really want a sign or proof of my messengership? Before I bring it to you, by Gods leave, il just warn you to be aware of God first, so think about it before you give me your answer?

And far as im concerend, any changes of mind I may have done, then it was for the better. It was replaced with something even better. Do you think?

About Rashid

1. Did he force the people to believe.
   2.Did he deliver clearly for the people.
2. Did he ask the people for a wage for it? And did he sell what he was teaching for a price?
3. Did he set a good example for the people? Did he have good work habits ( Charitable, salating on the regular, fighting in Gods cause, ect...?)
4. Did he advocate ritheousness and forbid evil?

peace

[anthonywallace]

Peace Anthony,

You're still claiming to be a messenger from God, interpreting the Free-Minds translation of the reading? This is really shocking, to say the least! You change your mind on important issues so often than you're misleading others. How can you teach us the scripture if you're not sure of what it says? Where are the proofs you presented of your messengership? confused Do you believe in the messengership of Rashad Khalifa?

Peace,

Ahmad

How can you teach the Scripture if you not sure what it says too?

All one can do is follow the best of what has been inspired to one from the Word. And all of the Scripture is the Word of God. Including translations, they are the word of God too, if you understand. If God wished He would send the Spirit to whoever He wills, and teach them the interpretations of the verses. Any translation or interpretation of a verse is what it means to me and also who God is to me...And what I believe can be a possible meaning. Thats all translaters can do is try to figure out what is the best posibble and clearest meaning.

Do you believe in Rashids messengership?

I dont know if he was or not.

[Ahmad_Bilal]

Peace Anthony,

yes im still claiming to be a messenger from God. What should I take it back because the people dont believe me and ignor some of what has been inspired to me; because the peole say " If only a sign was sent down with him from his Lord, or he had adornmennts of gold and silver, ect...? Are you suprised. So believe in God and His gental messenger prohet who believes in God and His words. And follow him so that you may be guided.

So, you're claiming to be a "messenger prophet" now? o

All one can do is follow the best of what has been inspired to one from the Word. And all of the Scripture is the Word of God. Including translations, they are the word of God too, if you understand. If God wished He would send the Spirit to whoever He wills, and teach them the interpretations of the verses. Any translation or interpretation of a verse is what it means to me and also who God is to me...And what I believe can be a possible meaning. Thats all translaters can do is try to figure out what is the best posibble and clearest meaning.

You are correct if the situation is involving translators, but you are not claiming to be a translator of the scriptures. You are claiming to be a messenger of The God, and that is completely different that translating. You can't possibly translate an Arabic Qur'an accurately if you can't read, write, and understand Arabic - that's common sense, brother.

The reason I asked you if you believe in Rashad Khalifa's messengership is because, according to the reading, a messenger comes with certain proofs from The God. Regardless of whether you believe in Dr. Khalifa's work or not, he definately brought proof to back up his claimed messengership, and he presented his proof to everyone. You, however, haven't shown any proof at all - so, what makes you a messenger? If the people reject Rashad Khalifa as a messenger, then how can they possible acknowledge you as one? nope No offense, but it takes a lot more than spitting out verses from the reading to make a person a messenger of The God. So, if you are indeed a messenger from The God, show your proof, or God will surely judge the wicked...

Peace,

Ahmad

[anthonywallace]

Peace Anthony,

So, you're claiming to be a "messenger prophet" now?

You are correct if the situation is involving translators, but you are not claiming to be a translator of the scriptures. You are claiming to be a messenger of The God, and that is completely different that translating. You can't possibly translate an Arabic Qur'an accurately if you can't read, write, and understand Arabic - that's common sense, brother.

The reason I asked you if you believe in Rashad Khalifa's messengership is because, according to the reading, a messenger comes with certain proofs from The God. Regardless of whether you believe in Dr. Khalifa's work or not, he definately brought proof to back up his claimed messengership, and he presented his proof to everyone. You, however, haven't shown any proof at all - so, what makes you a messenger? If the people reject Rashad Khalifa as a messenger, then how can they possible acknowledge you as one? nope No offense, but it takes a lot more than spitting out verses from the reading to make a person a messenger of The God. So, if you are indeed a messenger from The God, show your proof, or God will surely judge the wicked...

Peace,

Ahmad

peace

Your sign is that a wrath from God will befall you. voodoo

The same things you sayin to me is the same thing that was said to all the messengers and also Rashid. They denied. And how do you know that when a sign comes that the people still will not believe? And how do you know that when I show you the proofs that the people still not go believe.

No im not claimin to be a messenger prohet. Can you read? Or do you still put words in my mouth, bra? If you could only understand that I am a messenger to you to tell you to believe in God and His gentil messenger prohet ( Muhaamad )...

And if God wished, He would have made the people one nation. But even if He did, they would still continue to disagree. Except who God has mercy on...And the word of your Lord came true, " I will fill Hell with the Jinn and the people altogether."

I was ordered to recite the Quran... P

peace

I do not find were one is requred to " bear witness" that one is a messenger of God. But only to obey and follow the messengers and believe in them and support them and help them persever, ect...

God is fully aware of who his messengers are, thus He doesnt need you to bear witness. You dont have to admit that im a messenger or not. Nor any other messenger.

Now if you think I am a misleader with bad intentions, and I invite to the Fire....Then please show me were I have mislead someone away from God, away from the Quran, and away from the path ... Wheather with proofs or not...

And I do not have what you are hastening towards. So just be paitient, and continue to do what you will, and I will continue. And wait.

peace

[khyaletanzim]

@ wallace

I am still waiting for simple answer about salat by you.

[Ahmad_Bilal]

Peace Anthony,

Your sign is that a wrath from God will befall you. voodoo

This is pure childishness, and you should know that firsthand... whatever

I was ordered to recite the Quran...

Have you not read the recitation, brother? Two messengers aren't presented with the same proofs. The reading was already sent to Mohammed, so how can you claim this as your proof?

I do not find were one is requred to " bear witness" that one is a messenger of God. But only to obey and follow the messengers and believe in them and support them and help them persever, ect...

Well, Anthony, why would people obey, follow, and support you if they don't believe you're a messenger? ! That's where the PROOFS come in... Do you think anyone can just walk up and profess messengership, and all the believers are supposed to support them? Don't be ridiculous.

And how do you know that when I show you the proofs that the people still not go believe.

What proofs?! You haven't brought any proofs here yet. All you've done is rattle off a few verses from the reading and profess to be a messenger. If you think professing messengership and studying the Free-Minds translation of the recitation makes you a messenger of The God, then you are misguided, surely of those led astray.

Peace,

Ahmad

[anthonywallace]

@ wallace

I am still waiting for simple answer about salat by you.

1. The Salat has been ordained on the believers at appointed time.

2. The salat forbids evil and vice ( disobediance to Gods commands, ect...) . It orders ritiousness and forbids evil.

3. The ritiousness cancels the sins. ( A example of the salat is like the example of Job, when every morning he would gather his family and perform a cerimony as a way of asking God for forgiveness, and he would do it every morning and offer a sacrafice for each of them just in case they had sinned or silently cursed God.. Another example is the Daily sacrafices that are to be offered morning and evening found in the Torah. As a way of asking for forgiveness, and remembering God, ect...)

4. The connection consits of the following parts ( all to be done within the same time frame, dawn and evening.)

5. The sermone ( teaching )

6. The prayers

7. The reading of Quran

8. The purification

peace

Peace Anthony,

This is pure childishness, and you should know that firsthand... whatever

Have you not read the recitation, brother? Two messengers aren't presented with the same proofs. The reading was already sent to Mohammed, so how can you claim this as your proof?

Well, Anthony, why would people obey, follow, and support you if they don't believe you're a messenger? ! That's where the PROOFS come in... Do you think anyone can just walk up and profess messengership, and all the believers are supposed to support them? Don't be ridiculous.

What proofs?! You haven't brought any proofs here yet. All you've done is rattle off a few verses from the reading and profess to be a messenger. If you think professing messengership and studying the Free-Minds translation of the recitation makes you a messenger of The God, then you are misguided, surely of those led astray.

Peace,

Ahmad

there is no childishness in me continue to do what you will and I will also do and wait all are waitng

the key word is believe in the messenger you dont believe in me you not tryin to uplift the spirit that has come to me you are to buisy being critical you too quick to say you are not a messenger or bring a sign you do not have any proof that i am not his messenger you wouldnt have believed in muhamad when he was alive i dont believe

if someone says they are gods messenger then thats what it is simple as that bring forth your proofs

if they cease then what was before it will be forgiven and if they return then the example of the prievios generations have been given >(

[anthonywallace]

Salaam
God will grant those who strive high ranks, forgiveness, and mercy. He is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
peace

peace

[anthonywallace]

o my servants who have believed be aware of your lord

o my servants who transgressed against themselves do not despair of gods mercy for god forgives all sins he is the forgiver the merciful

[khyaletanzim]

Dear wallace,

it was more confusing than before. I have read you signature message starting with "O mankind" are you messenger for mankind? please show from quran where it says that a messenger is for mankind.

Regards.

[anthonywallace]

Dear wallace,

it was more confusing than before. I have read you signature message starting with "O mankind" are you messenger for mankind? please show from quran where it says that a messenger is for mankind.

Regards.

Read my signature. It is quote from quran i have to find the verse. It states that the messenger is for mankind.

It is a message to the worlds.

[anthonywallace]

Dear wallace,

it was more confusing than before.
Regards.

This is how you connect

Step 1. Wash up or bathe before you salat.
step 2. Teach your family ( Give a small sermone/speech )
step 3. All of you turn towards the Sacred Temple and then Praise God and pray to Him.
step 4. After you finish praying, read a chapter or some verses from the Quran
step 5. Then take from their money a charity to purify them and develope them with it. And you should give from what God has provided you before a day come when there will be no trade theirin nor any friends.

So, here is the benifits of " connection "

1. You talk to God when you pray. You ask Him for forgiveness and He will forgive you. Thus you become clean by repenting.

2. You also can be cleansed by hearing the words of God. When you read the Quran you are listing to God. I believe it is even more important to listen to God ( have Him talk to us) than to talk to Him ( pray ). Because we not gonna tell Him anything that He dont already know.

3. When you give you also cleanse your self from sin. You cleanse yourself from stingyness, greed ect...

So, the connection is were we go for cleansing of our sins and bad deeds. And we should purify our selves daily. Many suffer from guilt and dont know were to go for cleansing. For cleansing of our sins we go to the connection and work righteousness.

Whoever has heavy weght will have it good, and whoevers weights are light will have it bad.