anyone who wishes to do personal attacks on me..think twice..i can be the nasty ....

Salaam
Rajah please take your threats elsewhere ,nobody's making personal attacks on you, i know my intentions here and that's to learn and try
distrubute the truth from what i can see i don't want to quarrel or wrangle over the quran as i know this is wrong and pointless, let alone argue with anybody...
why i said you should be ashamed allow me to elobrate i know from certain ayats i've seen that true believers when the hear the quran they sujuud and glorify Allah and ask for forgiveness
and from this knowledge I know they wouldn't be making jokes outta verses..

I don't know if anyone really cares,I do not think the quran was written by a god or anything...It was written by men. It may have faults..proof? 2163..and a few more.The language is quite cryptic..subject matters all over the place... No one really speaks that language at home....BUT I respect the quran and the efforts of all those who made it a reality by preserving ideas form the past inspired by the creator..I believe after the council of nicea A.D. 325 some people put it (quran) together again..sorry no proof..just a thought...

ok so now the truth is shown ,
since you have doubts about Allah and the preservation of the quran read surah 159
i really don't know how we can discuss anything any further since everything i would present
that we could talk about would be from translations in wich you are in doubt over or believe men have written.
and i think this would be the same way with you too Abdun Nur after looking much at your site and understanding how you believe not in the translations that are presented from me ..
so to end it i will conclude that there no hard feelings to you both
the case belongs to Allah as best to know truth
to you both to your way is your way to mine is mine or to you your opinions and mine is mine..
i wish you both the best the vey best
Good day to you both )
Salaam
Abdul Raffi

2163 And Your G is One G; there is no G Only He, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

Salaam
Rajah
even tho i and others may have some different opinions then yourself
please try show some respect for the quran, this isn't even funny translating like this you should be ashamed of yourself..
i thankyou for your previous posts and i will try to answer tommorrow inshallah

God can be used for any diety/god, or tacked onto another word to change the meaning Godmother, Godfather, Godson, Goddaughter, etc.

As well, we see in the Quran that Allah does not condone the use of other names. An example is YHWH, the Canaanite god whose consort is Ashtoreth, is used to denote the worshipers of that pagan god Yahoodians/Yahoodu. Surah 2111, 2113, 2120, 367, 518, 564, 930
YHWH
Jew
"Ibrahim was not a Jew (yahoodiyyan) nor a Christian (nasraniyyan) but he was upright, a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists." Surah 367

Personally, I use the name Allah as it is written in Surah 11
"In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful." Surah 11
"Bismi Allahi al-Rahmani al-Raheemi" Surah 11

Allah knows best. Study the Quran diligently and be not dependent on my opinion.

Peace.

Salaam
To me wether you call Allah Allah or Rahman is the same surah 17 ayat 110 and i think that same rules applies to using the name God also to Allah belongs the most beautiful names surah 7 ayat 180 but what's important is purity of belief i.e right understanding of God..
Islam is the way for all nations not just arabs..every nation knows God in their own language it's just up to them to find the right concept
i find no problem with it calling Allah god there is no haram to this wich i find in the quran, ilah is the equivalant in Arabic to the word God in english
Allah says Allah hu illah wahid = Allah (is) God One. look at surah 4 ayat 171

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O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist ? it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

another surah 21 ayat 25
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And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, ?There is no God except Me, so worship Me.?

Allah is God of mankind Surah 114 ayat 3 an-nas(mankind)

another surah 9/31 (buduuu ilaahanw-wahid)worship God one
(&#1633

They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

this isn't just saying worship Allah but saying worship God

you see what i'm pointing out now that Allah calls himself ilah and it isn't wrong
i hope this helps
and please don't just take my word for it it is up to us all to look at quran and verify things ourselves

Salaam thankyou Rajah and Abdun Nur for replying please bear with me my reply might be slow while i examine my evidences and both of your's..
also i'm looking at Abdun Nur's Lexicon, and the article on history of arabic grammar to get a better grasp of how this concept is conceived

The quran is a very important document as it is a saving grace. It can take on challenges from secular and religious communities, provided it has been correctly understood and we had not allowed any ?religious? and ?godlike? imaginary interpretations.

Salaam
ok you understand different translations to the quran like Abdun Nur then the mainstream Muslims , i'm wondering do you also use the system (lexicon) for translating like Abdun
Nur does???
also would you mind me asking you in your translation what Illah , illaha, illahun is translated to??? please translate them all if you wouldn't mind and i would also like you Abdun Nur to translate this as well if you don't mind ) , why i'm asking this is to see if your evidence fits to my understandings and verses and your evidence as well as i'm guessing Abdun Nur wants us all to go and research this is what i'm doing
thankyou for your time

Salaam Abdul Raffi,

as Allah says, most people are at a loss, you are, as almost everyone else, free to follow the

ignorance of the past, Islam has been intentionally corrupted, it has little effect upon me if you

follow these corruption or not, I wish you well, the present is a reflection of theses corruptions,

misery is now manifest worldwide the like of which has never been suffered, please feel free to

continue this social and religious crime.

Salaam
the social and religious crime that is manifest in the world you speak of is
because people would rather follow shaiyton Auzubillah min zolik and their misleaders thus making

shirk this is the real crime.
and i may be at loss perhaps? but you can't tell me your not, how do you know? you are judging us all

here by telling me and others that we are at loss?? i leave it to Allah to be the judge of me ....

funny how you agree with some translations i.e surah al-asr that people are in loss that don't follow

the truth wich you think is all of us then on other things you translate with opinions or others

opinions to suit your ego, and what are you anyway an atheist ? atheists always come into forums to

say or try and prove that there is no god and are proud.. as far you a little different except under

the disguise of Islam...why would anyone wether you are right or wrong follow your advise when you

don't answer them properly or answer them with rudeness or even ignore them from what i've seen on

here so far why? when we are all here looking for the truth are we not? /my message to some others

here is why are asking abdun nur the concept of Allah, when if we want to know the concept of Allah

why not look in the Quran wich is the best place? why are we asking others to know this??? so please

come back to Quran for guidance and mercy.. and attention to the moderators why is this topic allowed

in the first place ? a topic that starts out by cutting short words in the quran i.e There is No God.

when it should be There is No God but/other then/except Allah wich is disrespect of quran rules,

this to me is the real ignorance Abdun Nur have a look at surah 15 ayah 91-94..and lastly Abdun Nur

if you don't want to believe in God then that's your choice i'm not here to force you into my beliefs

and as i said before i'll leave that bit to Allah and only Allah can give people the right belief not

me , all i can say is think for a moment.. what if your wrong ? that i'm right and you don't

believe ,and also i have deeply pondered over your info have you pondered over mine?

Salaam Abdul Raffi,

my friend and Brother Badar translated this for you

. This being the complete, so to call sentence.

" For sure, One and Only, who is not illah(god) as well not an entity of adoration and worship" and goes on to define further....

Here is the link for from Lane. This words use was and is well know for pagan Arab god.

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000119.pdf

Badar

salaam Abdun Nur

thankyou for your reply, my reply has been a bit slow

i don't know about your friend and brother but i'm wonder why you need somebody else to translate for you on my behalf???? anyway no problem you may still be learning yourself?
as with lexicon i never heard of it untill you pointed it out to me ,as for me i only will try to follow the quran and not opinion based translations, i stick with the word for word approach myself . everyone see's differently tho we can only all hope to be guided for our next life including yourself,i was trying to understand how you translate with word for word without any opinions but your lexicon translations you put across didn't make grammatical sense in a word for word approach, and as for me telling you those ayats and anyone else it might reach i felt it was my duty only to inform , as far i can't find a problem calling Allah god nor any evidence to suggest otherwise , nor can i find a problem with it as its mentioned many times throughout the quran .. i would rather follow translations that are all in 99% agreeing rather then the 1% that isn't ,and on that note i'll leave it at that as Allah knows best

Salaam

Salaam ,
lets say your correct for one moment , how does your translation fit (with what i've quoted you saying) fit with ayat 171 surah 4 i.e where it says according to your translated would be
Allah(translated no god according to you) hu illah ,, what do you translate hu illah to?
please bear with me i'm trying to grasp your definition to the translation in this part of the quran, as this is my main basic of this debate as far
and lastly where do you get your arabic translations from outta curiosity?
Salaam

Salaam Abdun Nur

are you avoiding answering me?

sorry someone i'm quoting from you as i'm agreeing with you as to you his definition i.e Abdun Nur (Allah (Not God) the last post i made is directed to Abdun Nur,i'm asking him the translation... having browser problems or this site has bugs for me to sometimes re-edit

So basicaly, for you, Allah = 'who is not God'.

Salaam ,
lets say your correct for one moment , how does your translation fit (with what i've quoted you saying) fit with ayat 171 surah 4 i.e where it says according to your translated would be
Allah(translated no god according to you) hu illah ,, what do you translate hu illah to?
please bear with me i'm trying to grasp your definition to the translation in this part of the quran, as this is my main basic of this debate as far
and lastly where do you get your arabic translations from outta curiosity?
Salaam

Salaam

Unbelief is rather if one does not believe in Allah at all.

i mentioned wrong belief not unbelief...

as a muslim i feel it is my duty to warn about the dangers of wrong belief

i also suspect nobody contemplated on those ayats i mentioned due to there own interpretation of the quran i.e via sufism

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Then do they not reflect upon the Qur?an, or are there locks upon hearts? (4724)

ok we all would agree that illah means god right????

then if so as i mentioned before in ayat surah Nisaaa (women) (4 ayat 171)
Allah says that hu is the god regardless of your beliefs, Allah says it look for yourself properly.. again for you to see in arabic

(&#1633
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist ? it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Allah

(is) God

One.

Allah (is) God One.

I hope this clears up the God confusion

my perspective is not based on a single book, or the translation of that book even, but the physical evidence, that the Qur'an when correctly translated agrees with the physical evidence

what more evidence do you want that i have presented from surah 4 ayat 171 is more then enough proof unless you don't believe illah means God?
It is man that makes God a dirty word or corrupts its true meaning, and God is interpretered differently by different people .
God is language for all people ,you will also find God is also translated in every language...

Now the Qur'an is being translated correctly on my website, what I have discovered through physics, is the reality of the Qur'an, if you wish to follow tradition Islam, the first requirement is the removal of reason.

Allah makes things easy to understand and remember, you don't have to be a mathematician , scientist or rocket scientist , a sufi ,a priest , a imam and so on so on to be able to learn the quran and get right translations
surah 54 (al-qamar) ayat 17

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And We have certainly made the Qur?an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?

again

surah 54 (al-qamar) ayat 22

(&#1634
And We have certainly made the Qur?an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?

and again

surah 54 (al-qamar) ayat 32

(&#1634
this ayat is repeated 3 times if not more throughout the quran...
god gave us a brain , intellect to think for ourselfs so we must use it..

if anyone wants a online word for word translated from arabic to english Quran look
http//www.allahsquran.com/learn/
very easy..

salaam

Salam,
as a muslim i feel it is my duty to warn about the dangers of wrong belief and a wrong belief is that Allah is not god but please don't just take my word for it i have the proof from the quran itself as my father was with in a similar belief and i found some ayats to comfirm my belief ie Allah is god and not visa versa ie that Allah isn't ,so straight to the point

first its mentioned in surah (nas) (114,ayat 3) that allah is Illahin-nas , god of the mankind ,

next one is in surah Nisaaa (women) (4 ayat 171) innamal-laahu Ilaahunw-Waahid Allah hu god one

and last but not least

Surah Nahl 16 (the bee ayat 22)

Ilaa-hukum Ilaahunw-waahid your god is one god..

no where can i find Allah saying in Quran that Allah isn't god but i can find in quran that allah is god remember Allahu Illah

i have seen some people on the web translate la illaha illah as no god only Allah... but this is denouncing that Allah is god and leads to unbelief ..in my understanding Illah is the same as a ,asma ulhusna ..

if you have something of a better understanding to this then myself please do so and explain vie quran to me if my understanding is incorrect as we as muslims are duty bound to remind each other to the truth vie quran and uphold the truth to one another ... and my intention here is not of an argumentative nature but that we can all learn from each other the correct path Inshallah and lastly please forgive me if i've in anyway translated or put incorrect transliteration as i've tryed my best to put forward the truth here from a quran that i'm borrowing and that i'm no expert in arabic...

may Allah guide us all to the siraatal-mustaqiim ie the straight way inshallah...
salaam