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  • Why does the Quran and Bible describe the Sun as going around the Earth?
    S sumbuddy

    Thanks JavaLatte. Nice to see someone with an open mind.

    Man of Faith while you are busy blaming false interpretations aren't you just trying to find an interpretation that fits your beliefs? Let's look at the following verses from chapter 41.

    419 Say ?You are rejecting the One who has created the earth in two days, and you set up equals with Him. That is the Lord of the
    worlds.?
    4110 And He placed in it stabilizers from above it, and He blessed it and established its provisions in proportion in four days, to satisfy
    those who ask.
    4111 Then He settled to the heaven, while it was still smoke, and He said to it, and to the earth ?Come willingly or unwillingly.? They
    said ?We come willingly.?
    4112 Thus, He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every heaven its affair. And We adorned the lowest
    heaven with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

    According to this God created the Earth first and then made the seven heavens. I'm curious to see your interpretation of this.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Why does the Quran and Bible describe the Sun as going around the Earth?
    S sumbuddy

    Salaam,

    It is not like I dismiss things outright, but it sounds too absurd to be true.

    Even if some of the space ambitions are part of a political game you have lots of independent and private activity regarding space research as well.

    And theoretically you would be able to launch a projectile from the Earth and it would be forced by the gravity of another planet to change heading because it is affected by its gravity. It depends on the speed and mass of the projectile but the vessels we have are relatively slow in comparison. And if within the gravity of a planet then its engines are effective.

    You also forget that the star of this solar system has its own huge gravity field which causes all the planets to stay in orbit around it. A powerful enough engine, not those we have now, but such as in science-fiction and scientific theories today, could deliver thrust even if the gravity is low. Engines we have are highly dependent on gravity because they are reaction-engines.

    Even if space is a huge vacuum as long as you have any form of contact with gravity you have propulsion potential.

    And concerning satellite technology it looks like people do not understand it. Even Iran has sent its own satellite into the atmosphere. You can place a satellite dish in some remote area and it will still work. It does not receive a signal from the Earth and if there is spacial disturbance then the signal quality may be adversely affected.

    And what about space observatories? What are they seeing? An illusion?

    How about all studies about our neighboring planets Venus, Mars? Are they revolving around the Earth just like the Sun?

    Despite the size of the sun it is what revolves around the Earth and not the Earth around the Sun?

    It sounds amazing if all that we have experienced concerning space was just a hoax. All private research, private companies spending billions, just an illusion created by man.

    But despite this the Earth is not flat but round because that can easily be empirically tested.

    Salaam

    Sounds too absurd because it goes against what we've been taught right?

    So you're saying thrust would work just because there's gravity? What would be the thrust against? Still vaccuum space right? So what would give it the push it needs to propel forward?

    If you stand before a wall and push with your hand you will move backward because the wall has a great resistance. If you are swimming you have to push harder because liquids don't have the same amount of resistance. If you are flying you need an even greater push because air resistance is even weaker. And when you are in space there is NO resistance, so what exactly would a thrust do?

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Why does the Quran and Bible describe the Sun as going around the Earth?
    S sumbuddy

    You have so many satellites with cameras in orbit around the solar system which observe and so many scientific studies done over the past hundred years so it is only backwards thinking to claim that the sun orbits the Earth.

    When have you ever seen an actual photo of the earth taken by a satellite? Because all I have seen are digitally rendered images. In the following video you can see Matt Boylan talk about how he used to create fake photos of planets and moons and stuff. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDg8kh1dXTc

    When I first heard about the flat earth society, I too immediately dismissed it as a joke. But when I actually started listening to them, I saw that they might not be as crazy as they seem. Sound familiar? I'm sure a lot of you guys at Free Minds here got the same treatment from fellow muslims when you started thinking differently from the mainstream society.

    Anyways, I can't explain everything cause I'm not a scientist but I know that there are some very solid arguments regarding the whole NASA hoax.

    1. How does a spaceship propel itself forward or change direction in vaccuum space? No matter how powerful the thrust of its engines, it will do no good if there is nothing to push against. It can take off by pushing against the earth, and it can push against the air pressure until it leaves the atmosphere, but then what? It might be able to keep going with the same velocity as when it left the earth's atmosphere, because there is no more air resistance to slow it down, but then it will keep going straight ahead at the same speed until it crashes into something. It cannot change direction, because again there is nothing to push against, so how does it manage to turn around and land on the moon?

    2. None of the 9 astronauts from the 3 apollo missions had the guts to swear on the bible that they really landed on the moon. I don't have the link of this video but it is there on youtube.

    3. The international space station does not exist. NASA astronaut Chris Cassidy accidentally lets slip that they are talking from the USA during an interview that is supposedly live from the international space station. He is then immediately tensed up when he starts getting shit from people off-camera, and the other 2 astronauts nervously try to continue the interview as if nothing happened.
      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp9Y8I6v_Ds

    4. Zero gravity is easily simulated in an aeroplane which is probably where most of the footage from the international space station is filmed. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ieR8hIXUIg

    5. Satellite images such as Google earth can be taken from a high altitude plane or rocket from within the earth's atmosphere. All of the pictures from outer space could easily be faked, and no one would be the wiser.

    6. Satellite services like dish TV or satellite phones can be provided using signals from communications towers. The receiving device has a stronger antenna than ordinary cellphones so they have better coverage which allows them to connect to the nearest tower. Even if you go to a very remote place on earth, you would still be closer to a communications tower than to a satellite.

    The Quran always speaks of the heavens and the earth as being separate from one another. And it also mentions that the lower heaven is decorated with stars/planets. So this would imply that the earth is separate from the heaven/sky which is adorned with the stars/planets.

    375 The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and what lies between them, and the Lord of the sunrises.
    376 We have adorned the lower heaven with the decoration of planets

    So before dismissing an idea as too stupid to have any value, maybe you should actually listen to the whole story, right?

    If you want to see more videos about the flat earth theory you can check out this channel on youtube. https//www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77/videos

    Edit here a more recent interview with Matt Boylan
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQt9vq3sdtQ

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Why does the Quran and Bible describe the Sun as going around the Earth?
    S sumbuddy

    What if it really does go around the earth?

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Mary and Maryam
    S sumbuddy

    The Quran apparently confuses Mary the mother of Jesus, and Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron.

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4s1rhpf4mA

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Origin of Religions?
    S sumbuddy

    What do you guys think of this video?

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

    General Issues / Questions

  • Audience of the Quran
    S sumbuddy

    Are we meant to read the Quran through the eyes of the Prophet?

    What I have noticed is that the Quran directly refers to the Prophet as "you". eg

    In places where the Quran speaks to another people, it mentions the people by name in the beginning. eg

    Otherwise the people is referred to in the third person. Therefore it seems that the Quran is originally a book of guidance for the Prophet, who in turn should guide the people with its message.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • Authenticity of the Quran
    S sumbuddy

    How can we say for sure that the Quran is authentic, and it is a book from God? Is there any undeniable proof that it is not just a well written book by a wise and talented writer?

    I watched the following video on youtube which disputes the scientific miracles in the Quran.

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk

    It's not like I lost faith after watching it or anything, but I like to put myself in other's shoes and try to understand where they're coming from. So if anyone has any good counter arguments on this I would like to hear them.

    Questions/Comments on the Quran

  • A neutral party in the hereafter?
    S sumbuddy

    The below verses speak of a people who are on an elevated platform which is a barrier between Paradise and the Fire. They have not entered Paradise (yet) nor Hell. It seems that there is a chance that they might enter Paradise, and they are fearful of being put in Hell.

    746 And between them is a barrier, and on the elevated platform are men who recognized others by their features. And they called out to the dwellers of the Paradise ?Peace be upon you!? They have not yet entered it, but they are hoping.

    747 And when their eyes are turned towards the dwellers of the Fire, they say ?Our Lord, do not place us with the wicked people!?

    Questions/Comments on the Quran
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