Peace bro Ayman,

Cool! This is something new that I'll need to look on. I'll do some research on it...Thanks for the info!

peace..

peace,

Perhaps, because "I want" people to "open their mind"...I "want" people to gain more knowledge...cause I "want" a peaceful world with no "discrimination"....you see, I myself have an ego..because "I want"...but to say that as a "high level ego".. I don't think so...because if I am having a "high level ego" I won't bother to share my knowledge..in other words..I would be a selfish guy... wink

Oh yeah, I found a link that will let u understand more about "ego"

http//www.livereal.com/psychology_arena/what_is_ego.htm
http//www.meaningoflife.i12.com/ego.htm

"ego" is a subject that will take time to understand...so, don't rush...

And when its implied on a person's behaviour, it takes the meaning ''selfish''

isn't that same as ego? ego = self-pride/self-importance/selfish ?

So, whats the point there? isn't all of them bring to the same conclusion that is "self"...

Science
ego (ee-goh)

The ?I? or self of any person (ego is Latin for ?I?). In psychological terms, the ego is the part of the psyche that experiences the outside world and reacts to it, coming between the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social environment, represented by the superego.

The term ego is often used to mean personal pride and self-absorption ?Losing at chess doesn't do much for my ego.?

Medical
e?go ('g, g'&#333
n.

In psychoanalytic theory, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and mediates between the person and external reality.

WordNet
Note click on a word meaning below to see its connections and related words.

The noun ego has 3 meanings

Meaning #1 an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others
Synonyms egotism, self-importance

Meaning #2 your consciousness of your own identity
Synonym self

Meaning #3 (psychoanalysis) the conscious mind

you see, you can't just take ego as a self-pride...u need to look at it in more detailed...self-pride etc is just the sub-set of our state of mind...

In order to understand more..I suggest you get about related to psychology or anything in that topic..

So, human will is not ego, love, hatred etc are not ego. U got it wrong. it has to be self-love, self-hatred etc..

See, you gave the answer yourself...

Ask yourself...Why do you love your mom?
Because she is your mom..
She cares about you..

see, everything is "related" to you...yourself"...

And hatred..why do you hate someone??? is because they do something bad to YOU.. or did something that made YOU unhappy!

Would you "hate" someone that never do anything to you?Or do anything that made you unhappy?
NO.

You understand now? everything is related to "self"?

you won't be able to "love" or "hate" anyone that has nothing to do with yourself

So, tell me, which of my explaination is wrong?

There are more blind people(as in blind from their lack of usage of brains) than those without eyesight.

And if Quran is for everyone, in the world, why cant it be a book?
God says in Quran, that Quran is for those who can read and understand. So, in that sense, people with no brains or those who blind fold themselves wont be able to understand Quran.

blind folded and physically blind is two different things and what is "read"?

And for people without eyesight who wish to know the contents of the Quran, it can be read out to them, or they can be given a book in their coded language for them to read.

if its is a book...

So, how if nobody is going to explain to them? How are they going to know that the one reading to them is not cheating them? Even if you can "read" to them, and let say you read to them the verse below

"He is the One who made the sun to emit light, and the moon to reflect it, and He measured its phases so that you would know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except for truth. He details the revelations for a people who know." - 106

How are they suppose to verify the verse above? How is "the book" suppose to explain anything to them????

Do you think god forgot that "blind" people won't be able to see the sun and the moon to understand the "verse" above??

And man can count always on his own conscience, which contains God's spirit, to guide us, anyways.

Peace!

So, who needs "the book" then???

Peace PeacefulMuslim,

Hi zsrin and Ahmed Bahgat,

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

.
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary
ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just
Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
http//www.answers.com/topic/ego
As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

I agree. ' Ego' can also mean ''appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem''.
Its more often used as ''exagerated''

But literally, yes, ur meanings are right as well.

Ego
? noun (pl. egos) 1 a person?s sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
http//www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/ego?view=uk

Definition
ego
noun plural egos
1 MAINLY DISAPPROVING your idea or opinion of yourself, or a great feeling of your own importance and ability
That man has such an enormous ego - I've never known anyone so full of themselves!
I'm glad she got the job - she needed something to boost/bolster her ego (= give her confidence).
See also alter ego; superego.

2 SPECIALIZED in psychoanalysis, the part of a person's mind which tries to match the hidden desires of the id (= part of unconscious mind) with the demands of reality

egocentric
adjective MAINLY DISAPPROVING
describes someone who is selfish, thinking only of themselves
Babies are entirely egocentric, concerned only with when they will next be fed.

egocentrically
adverb MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egocentricity
noun MAINLY DISAPPROVING

egomania
noun DISAPPROVING
when a person considers themselves to be very important and able to do anything that they want to do

egomaniac
noun DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be extremely important and able to do anything that they want to do

egotism
noun (ALSO egoism) DISAPPROVING
the tendency to think only about yourself and consider yourself better and more important than other people
Finding herself world-famous by the time she was eighteen only encouraged the actress's egotism.

egotist
noun (ALSO egoist) DISAPPROVING
a person who considers themselves to be better or more important than other people
Politicians are notorious egotists.

egotistic, egotistical
adjective
http//dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=24931

Bu in my opinion,

"Vain Desire" and Ego, whats the different??

Vain desire and ego are not equivalent words.

Peace!

Good...not let us try to understand the words "vain desire" and ego...

vain (vn) pronunciation
adj., vain?er, vain?est.

1. Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless a vain attempt.
2. Lacking substance or worth vain talk.
3. Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.
4. Archaic. Foolish.

idiom

in vain

1. To no avail; without success Our labor was in vain.
2. In an irreverent or disrespectful manner took the Lord's name in vain.

vain'ly adv.
vain'ness n.

vain
adj

Definition egotistical
Antonyms modest, shy

adj

Definition futile, useless
Antonyms possible

vain

adjective

1. Having no useful result barren, bootless, fruitless, futile, unavailing, unprofitable, unsuccessful, useless. Idioms in vain. See thrive/fail/exist, used/unused.
2. Lacking value, use, or substance empty, hollow, idle, otiose, vacant. See full/empty/capacity.
3. Unduly preoccupied with one's own appearance conceited, narcissistic. See self-love/modesty.
4. Thinking too highly of oneself conceited, egoistic, egoistical, egotistic, egotistical, narcissistic, vainglorious. Informal bigheaded, stuck-up, swellheaded. See self-love/modesty.

http//www.answers.com/topic/vain

Got the answer?

Anyway, you need to understand that "ego" represent a state of mind, a "consciousness", if you look at Oxford dictionary, the meaning of "ego" is "a person self", so anything related to "self" or "consciousness" is "ego"..."human WILL" is also an ego..."love" is also an ego...the word hatred,desire,care and everything dealt with our "consciousness" is an "ego"....if you're studying 'psychology"..it won't be hard for you to understand...

All the above quotes from the dictionary is just something for me to let you understand in a language context...To really understand it..you need to understand the law of the universe...

I hope that will help...Its the same thing when you try to understand the word "Quran" (reading)...it can't be a book, because the Quran is for everyone living in this world...so it can't be a book...because if it is a book..how do you think a "blind man" can read the book??

Understand now??

I'm open for a challenge for those people who can "think"!

First of all, what I was trying to say by Koran is "the book", and the "Quran"(reading) that is in the Koran never refer to the book that most of the people understand...please look at the topic of the discussion...I used the wod "Koran" to differentiate it with "Quran"(reading...) that I understand..

IF that is too hard for you to understand..I won't call it Koran anymore..instead I'll call it just as a "book"...

peace,

what nonsense is that? we were talking about what? and what are you talking about?

peace,

well if you think the word "ego" is only something negative..then I can't do anything..its just like saying a "fire" is only a negative element...

Peace,

If anyone think my understanding of "ego" is wrong..Please point out with facts...

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

well read above 6/6, your copy and past dictinart says

an inclination to want things

TO BLOODY WANT

would that sound like a verb to you?

what a confuser you are

Man, do you know what is the different between noun and verb?

desire
noun
1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things; "a man of many desires"
3 something that is desired

verb
1 feel or have a desire for; want strongly; "I want to go home
now; "I want my own room"
2 expect with desire; "I trust you will behave better from now
on"; "I hope she understands that she cannot expect a
raise"
3 express a desire for

Are you trying to say my dictionary is wrong now?

zsrin wrote
Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????

La Taqif, means do not stand, or don't stop at things that you lack knowledge in, EXACTLY AS WHAT YOU ARE DOING Laughing

See, you proved it yourself who is playing with words...U explained that it means "do not stand", "don't stop"....but then you translated it as "argue"..Do you know what "argue" means??

1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
3. To give evidence of; indicate
4. To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons argued the clerk into lowering the price.

Hi zsrin,

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....
being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...
in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

Ego means ''An exaggerated sense of self-importance''. similiary exaggerated self-esteem or self pride. it has a negative connotation to it.

Peace!

its not neccessarily "exaggerated"...It can also be just

Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.

http//www.answers.com/topic/ego

As I said, it depends on how far u understand the word...

that if you use it as a verb but as a noun desire means desiter = Hawa

zsrin wrote
desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

as a verb yes

as noun desire means desire = Hawa

are you blind or something?????? The above is a "noun"! Look carefully!

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

see, that does not mean "Hawa", because Hawa is a desire not self pride, unless I understand ego wrong

Its not wrong..but your understanding is too narrow....

being a person with ego never mean arrogant.... one is an arrogant person when he/she let his/her ego control himself/herself...

in the dictionary

ego means self-pride / self-importance / self-esteem/

when you say you desire something...it means you "want/hope/wish/"

desire

n 1 the feeling that accompanies an unsatisfied state
2 an inclination to want things;

so, when you want something... isn't that lead to ego? self-importance? as you said...you love your wife? isn't that mean you want / have passion of her? So, isn't that mean self-importance???

you can't just look at the meaning on the surface, its like reading a poem....u need to look at it deeper...

p/s I wonder if any of you could understand my explaination...

that is a bit of a stretch bro, the arabci Quran is one text since revelation can you show two different Arabic Quran that are for sale, like the many english translatipons for sale?

Again, you don't get my message...Did I say Quran? I said "Koran" and I have seen hundreds type of Koran...Big, small, black and white, or coloured version...

so leave the arabic alone as you have no knowledge about it and according to 1736 "DO NOT ARGUE IF YOU LACK KNOWLEDGE",

Ohya..from where you got the translation for the above verse? can you please tell me...how it is translated as "argue"????

Are you suggesting that we should "follow/accept blindly" if we can't argue???

Yes, I am always lack of knowledge...Thats why I always look for answers...But I don't "follow blindly" as Knowledge came from answers and answers came from questions and if nobody argues...it means everyone has found the "truth"....

not sure what you mean by still understand wiothout the Quran? what you will still understand? can you be specific?

I said "koran" not "Quran"..again you are twisting your words..

this is a clear cut non sense, the quran explains every thing we need to prosper as well it explains itself in the most accurate of ways

Can you tell me where on "Koran" I can find an explaination on how to use "Adobe Photoshop"? I want to learn it but still looking for the best book to learn that subject..

well, explanation to what exactly?, can you be more specific, is it life, quran, hell, god,...... there are many things that are needed to be explained, and sure most are explained in the perfect and complete arabic quran

and now you say "most"..I thought you said it explains everything?Ok, nevermind, I need to learn "photoshop" can you please show me a verse that will explain to me about photoshop??

thanks...

Peace,

And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know. - Shakir

16 101. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger" but most of them understand not. - Yusuf Ali

16 101 And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.- Pickthall

16102 And if We exchange a verse in place of another verse; and God is more aware of what He is revealing; they Say "You are making this up!" Alas, most of them do not know. - Free Mind

Today, I can see it myself the meaning of the verse above...

Man, again I wanna ask you...what do you understand by the English word "ego"????????? that made you to say that it is wrong??

Idolfree you know what.. I really need some meditation...Its hard to make people to think "outside the box"....

Peace,

For me, the translation can be wrong or whatsoever,..I just don't care, people who translated the Koran is just a normal human being, including the one who wrote your "Arabic Text"/Koran... But, for sure...If Allah want to let me have the knowledge, No matter whats the language...I'll still be able to understand...even without the "Koran"..

Yet, some people who knows so much of "Arabic" failed to even understand that Koran never explain to them anything...and that why we are all in this "forum" looking for explaination!!!!

Peace,

another nice try

look bro, I don't gice a fluke about what english translation it is, only the arabic text is the one that stands, we can have as much as billion translation but we only have one arabic text, so what is your point

Hawa" means desire, and sure the translation you have is damn wrong

So, tell me, if English is wrong, all the translation is wrong..what made u think
your understanding of the Arabic text can't be wrong? If understanding Arabic means understanding Koran..Then, tell me why the Sunnis who speak Arabic out there failed to understand the Koran? What is your answer?

Anyway,

SHAKIR Nor does he speak out of desire.

why not it be something like this

533 Nor does he speak out of ego(an exaggerated opinion of his own importance/his own need/his own belief) ?

As IdolFree said earlier, some people simply worshipping the language...

The language won't give you the "knowledge" but Allah does...You can be a Language expert or whatsoever..but without Allah giving you the knowledge...you will never get the knowledge...

Peace Ahmed,

as I said its so simple. its how you understand..you might want to say how is desire related to self-importance...well like u said just now, you desire your wife? Do you desire you wife for someone else or you do you desire your wife for yourself??? See...they key of it is the word "I", I love, I desire, I want, I hope,

when there is an "I', it is "self-importance" .. its how you understand what does it mean by "self-importance"...

I am not trying to say we must not have "ego"..we can't live without ego, but never let the ego control yourself...Again, its how you understand the word "ego"...

its like fire...we can't live without fire in this world..but once the fire is out of control...you know what will happen...

You know why we have so much arguments? Because we are trying to understand the "divine knowledge" in a human language...and worse, we are taking everything "literally"....