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  • Do you believe Allah sent messenger(s) after the prophet Muhammad?

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    I have to agree with Yusha here. Besides the message of the Quran is supposed to be for all people, for all time, whether or not other messengers come is a moot and irrelevant point. Do you mean "all message" in the Quran, or the core (Wisdom) of its messages. I really cannot imagine how the eskimos could be able to perform the "Fasting Of Ramadhan"... Since summer time on the Antartic, the Sun will never go down for more or less a month.. (no nighttime). And in winter time there will be no sun.. (no daylight) Salam
  • How did the meccans win?

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    peace Mz, THE IMMEDIATE SUCCESSORS Muhammad died in 632, leaving no instructions for the future government of the Muslim community. A group of Islamic leaders met in Medina (now in Saudi Arabia), the capital of the Muslim world at that time, and elected Abu Bakr, the Prophet's father-in-law and closest associate, to lead the community. Abu Bakr took for himself the title khalifat Rasul Allah (Arabic, ?successor to the Messenger of God?), from which the term caliph (Arabic, khalifah, ?successor?) is derived. Umar I became the second caliph in 634. On his deathbed, Abu Bakr had designated Umar as his successor, and all the important members of the Muslim community immediately accepted Umar's succession. Under his leadership, the first great expansion of Islam outside of Arabia took place. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and the northern part of Mesopotamia became Islamic territories, and the armies of the Persian Empire were routed several times. Umar added the title amir-al-mum-inin (Arabic, ?commander of the believers?) to that of caliph. After Umar's death in 644, Uthman ibn Affan, Muhammad's son-in-law and one of his first converts, was appointed the third caliph by a panel of six Meccan electors. Although an elderly man, he carried on Umar's policy of territorial expansion. Eventually, however, Uthman earned the enmity of many of his subjects, who felt he favored the Meccan aristocracy in political and commercial affairs. Uthman also antagonized the Islamic preachers by issuing an official text of the Qur'an (Koran), with an accompanying order to destroy all other versions. Rebellious Muslim troops from Al Kfah (Iraq) and Egypt besieged Uthman in Medina and assassinated him in 656. Ali, a cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad, was acknowledged as the fourth caliph by the Medinians and the rebellious Muslim troops. The governor of Syria, Muawiyah, later Muawiyah I the first Umayyad caliph, refused to recognize Ali as caliph and called for vengeance for the death of Uthman (who was Muawiyah's kinsman). In 657 the rival parties met at Siffin, on a plain in northern Syria, near the site of the modern city of Ar Raqqah. There, after an inconclusive battle, they agreed to arbitrate the dispute. Ali found himself being considered as a mere candidate for the caliphate on equal grounds with Muawiyah. Angered by this indignity, and with Ali for submitting to it, a group of his followers, later known as the Kharijites, deserted and vowed to assassinate both Ali and Muawiyah. They succeeded in killing only Ali. Ali's son, Hasan, then claimed (661) the still disputed caliphate but abdicated within a few months under pressure from Muawiyah's supporters, who greatly outnumbered Ali's followers, the Shias. THE UMAYYAD CALIPHS (661-750) The Umayyad caliphs were descendants of aristocratic caravan merchants, the Umayya, to which Muawiyah, the first Umayyad caliph, belonged. During his reign, Muawiyah stabilized the Muslim community after Ali's assassination. He moved the capital of Islam from Medina to Damascus, bringing the Muslim rulers into contact with the more advanced cultural and administrative traditions of the Byzantine Empire. Muawiyah also dispensed with the practice of electing the caliph by designating his son Yazid as heir apparent. The principle of election was acknowledged formally, however, by having the council of elders pledge to support the designated heir. The practice of hereditary succession continued throughout the Umayyad dynasty and in subsequent dynasties as well. Many Muslims, however, later disapproved of it as a deviation from the essential nature of Islam. Yazid I (reigned 680-83) succeeded his father but was faced immediately with two rebellions, each supporting a rival claimant to the caliphate. The Kufan Shias recognized Ali's second son (and the Prophet's grandson), Husayn, as caliph. Thus encouraged, Husayn left Medina for Al Kfah, despite warnings that Yazid's troops had quelled the Kufic uprising. On the plain of Karbal?, in Iraq, he and his small escort were intercepted and slaughtered. This event, more than any other, marks the true beginning of the Shia schism. A second rebellion by Meccans was finally quelled during the caliphate (685-705) of Abd al-Malik, Yazid's third successor. Shia, Kharijites, and other groups of Muslims and non-Arabic converts (Arabic mawali) frequently revolted against the Umayyads. The mawali accused the Umayyads of religious laxity and of indifference to their demands for full brotherhood in the Muslim community. Umayyad caliphs, nevertheless, vastly enlarged the Muslim empire and created a bureaucracy capable of administering it. Under the Umayyads, Muslim armies swept eastward to the borders of India and China, westward across North Africa to the Atlantic Ocean, then northward through Spain and over the Pyrenees Mountains into France, where the Frankish infantry under the Carolingian ruler Charles Martel checked them near Poitiers in 732. THE ABBASID CALIPHS (750-125 The Umayyads were overthrown by a combination of Shia, Iranian, and other Muslim and non-Muslim groups dissatisfied with the Umayyad regime. The rebels were led by the Abbasid family, descendants of the Prophet's uncle Abbas. From about 718 the Abbasids had plotted to take the caliphate, sending agents into various parts of the Muslim empire to spread propaganda against the Umayyads. By 747 they had secured enough support to organize a rebellion in northern Iran that led to the defeat of the Umayyad caliphate three years later. The Abbasids executed most of the Umayyad family, moved the capital of the empire to Baghdd, and assimilated much of the pomp and ceremony of the former Persian monarchy into their own courts. Beginning in 750 with Abu al-Abbas, the Abbasid caliphate lasted five centuries; it is the most durable and most famous Islamic dynasty. The Abbasids became patrons of learning and encouraged religious observance. They were the first Muslim rulers to become leaders of an Islamic civilization and protectors of the religion rather than merely an Arab aristocracy imposing an Arab civilization on conquered lands. Under their caliphate Baghdd replaced Medina as the center of theological activity, industry and commerce developed greatly, and the Islamic empire reached a peak of material and intellectual achievement. The 8th- and 9th-century caliphs Harun al-Rashid and his son Abdullah al-Mamun are especially renowned for their encouragement of intellectual pursuits and for the splendor of their courts. During their reigns scholars were invited to the court to debate various topics, and translations were made from Greek, Persian, and Syriac works. Embassies also were exchanged with Charlemagne, emperor of the West. In the late 9th century, the Abbasid caliphs increasingly began to delegate administrative responsibility to ministers of state and other government officials and to lose control over their Baghdd guards. As they gradually gave up personal political power, the caliphs placed more and more emphasis on their role as protectors of the faith. One result of this change in emphasis was the increased persecution of heretics and non-Muslims. About the same time, several successful revolts in the eastern provinces led to the establishment of independent principalities, and independent caliphates were subsequently established in North Africa and in Spain. Eventually, the power of the Abbasids barely extended outside Baghdd, and by the middle of the 10th century, the Abbasid caliphs had virtually no power, serving merely as figureheads at the mercy of the military commanders. The final defeat of the Abbasid dynasty came from outside the Muslim world, when al-Mustasim was put to death by the invading Mongols at the order of Hulagu, the grandson of Genghis Khan THE ABBASIDS IN CAIRO (1261-1517) When the Mongols sacked Baghdd in 1258, two members of the Abbasid family escaped to Egypt, where they took refuge with Baybars I, the Mamluk sultan. Each was named caliph, successively, by the sultan; but they were allowed to assume only religious duties, and the descendants of the second caliph remained politically powerless under the Mamluk sultans. THE FATIMID DYNASTY AND THE UMAYYADS OF SPAIN During the decline of Abbasid power, two rival caliphates were established, one in North Africa and another in Spain. The first, ruled by the Fatimid dynasty, was founded by Ubayd Allah, who proclaimed himself caliph in Tunisia in 909. The Fatimids were Shias, claiming descent from Fatima (thus the name Fatimid), Muhammad's daughter, and her husband Ali, the fourth caliph. At the height of its power, in the latter half of the 10th century, the Fatimid caliphate constituted a serious threat to the Abbasids in Baghdd. The Fatimids ruled most of northern Africa from Egypt to present-day Algeria, as well as Sicily and Syria. In addition the Fatimids claimed the allegiance of other Shias, both within and outside their domain. They sent missionaries from their capital in Cairo to the rest of the Muslim world, proclaiming the Fatimid caliphs to be infallible and sinless and the bearers of divine illumination handed down directly from Ali. Their dynasty was overthrown in 1171 by Saladin, sultan of Egypt. The second rival caliphate was established by Abd-ar-Rahman III, who proclaimed himself caliph in Spain in 929. He was the descendant of an Umayyad prince who fled the Abbasid massacre of his family and settled (755) in Spain. The Umayyad dynasty of Spain, responsible for a brilliant period in Spanish history, ruled from its capital in C?rdoba until 1031, when the caliphate broke up into numerous petty states. THE OTTOMANS AND THE MODERN PERIOD From about the 13th century various monarchs throughout the Muslim world, particularly the Ottoman sultans, assumed the title caliph indiscriminately without regard to the prescribed requirements of the caliphate. The title held little significance for the Ottoman sultans until their empire began to decline. In the 19th century, with the advent of Christian powers in the Near East, the sultan began to emphasize his role as caliph in an effort to gain the support of Muslims living outside his realm. The Ottoman Empire collapsed during World War I (1914-191. After the war, Turkish nationalists deposed the sultan, and the caliphate was finally abolished (March 1924) by the Turkish Grand National Assembly. The abolition of the caliphate brought consternation to many sections of the Muslim world, and protests were directed against the action of the Turkish government. Subsequently, King Husein ibn Ali of Al ijz (the Hejaz, now part of Saudi Arabia), laid claim to the title by virtue of his direct descent from the Prophet and his control of the two holy cities, Mecca and Medina. His claim, however, received little attention outside of Palestine, Syria, and parts of Arabia. The conquest (1925) of Al ijz by Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, ruler of Najd, Arabia, made Husein's claim even less significant. An international Muslim congress held in Cairo in 1926 to choose an acceptable successor to the caliphate proved abortive, resulting only in an appeal to the Muslims of the world to work together to reestablish a caliphate. Ever since World War II, however, the preoccupation of Muslim nations has been with national independence and economic problems, and the restoration of the caliphate may now be regarded as irrelevant. If this history is true? then the Quraish were the only one who ruled the Islamic world for more then a 1000 years. peace
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    I meant capital punishment and lashing are used but not for cases mentioned in the qur'aan. Capital punishment is restricted to "corruption in the earth fasaad fil arDh", but is used for apostasy, fornication, ...etc; and lashing "restricted in the qur'aan for public fornication and spreading false rumors" is applied for not wearing the veil, wearing jeans ;D, not joining in for prayers and many other trivial things We are talking about paying Jizya, polygamy, inheritance, women's testimony, cutting hand of thief, etc.
  • Sports

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    salam it is seems to say soloman's leisure/sport was horses http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/people-more/smilies0447.gif peace
  • The Intermediate people

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    Salaam hajirfm Saving yourself from hellfire does not guarantee you paradise. Salam, Respectfully, sister Samia. I don't understand this - if a person is saved from Hll, doesn't that automatically mean, s/he is going to Heaven? I don't wanna sound it's like black or white but other then Hell and Paradise, what other places or locations are there mentioned in The Quran? I mean, i'm just trying to be as informed as humanly possible. Thanks. P.S. By the way - we all know where we came from. Best wishes, Alen. Peace.
  • Selective Abortion Allowed in Islam!!

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    Salaam Lost Philosopher, Brother there has been no solid proof from Quran yet in favour of abortion before this find. It could have been guess work regarding abortion or at the most seen through the light of Quran. This article details the idea of abortion and how it applies to believers.. Have another read and tell me what you think.. Regards Ijaz
  • Did not all the prophets do Hammad?

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    Yes. But not only prophets. and appreciation is the divine message - which means all should strive to follow that message, all should strive to be in this state to be in this state is the mark by which we know those endowed with the attributes of n b a - 1 - 2
  • Some thoughts on creation and the Ancient Astronaut Theory

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    As-Salaamu Alaik Tanveer bro, I share many of your same concepts and possibilities of understandings here. I too am a sci-fi fan because I don't believe that many of the people who create them are coming up with stuff from scratch. I believe they are building their stories around archeological evidence found, if not actually experiences by some. They just like to present it as science fiction. The imagination is very powerful, but it still has to have some reference from which to work. I will check out some of the other links you provided soon hopefully. Maybe we can get some more posts on this topic as we move along hopefully. I am also trying to get to some of your other posts on the other threads, but I have been busy with a couple of other threads as well. As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace Salaamun alaikum IQO, Oben, I share some of your thoughts but do not feel comfortable discussing something based on conjecture rather than solid evidence. Having said that, another possibility is that the ananuki or the "aliens" could be an advanced human race. Humans have been around for 300,000 + years and it is inconceivable that they have never made huge technological advancements in the past including interstellar travel and extraterrestrial colonization followed by periods of complete destruction on Earth. I am quite familiar with Sitchin's and similar other works. I have been very interested in UFO's and other paranormal phenomenon. X-files, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, and Star Trek have been my favorite shows. I think that there are two possibilities either Jinns are behind all this or a surviving advanced human race that is hiding underwater somewhere or in the Tibetan mountains or on other planets. Some relevant websites are as follows http//www.sitchin.com/ http//mendhak.com/paranormal/other/show.php?id=41 http//dspace.dial.pipex.com/ritson/scispi/roswell/ancient.htm http//www.nasca.org.uk/Ancient_Nuc__War/ancient_nuc__war.html
  • CAIR membership plummets to unimaginable levels

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    Interesting!! Maybe muslims in the US are more qur'aan aloners than we think. I am not sure about that, I think they are moving to the Sunni islam with a somewhat sufi twist (hamza Yusuf) type. We are not there yet, but Salafi/Wahhabi Muslim Brotherhood is dying out for sure. They think Sunni madhabism has something to offer, we shall see how long it will take until they get disappointed. What do you think of Hamza Yusuf by the way?
  • Promoting the message of true islam

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    hehehe we are the crazy ones brickwall at least we have a voice bravo thank you for your reply
  • Great Scholar: Fathi Osman

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    This is because Qaradawi uses slogans, known in Arabic as(shi'ar), what you need to ask him is specifics, gender equality and religious equality and freedom of thought especially religion, like baha'ism or ahmediya. Then you will know he is not moderate but speaks like one. In the Arab world you see, its all about talking a good game, when it comes to actual thoughts its different. I thought you learned your lesson from Turabi ;D Of course! I agree with you. In fact what you say is similar to what I posted earlier on this thread that they are the best singers when it is about politics that will be judged by the Western Democracies I look at writers, and judge them from a different prespective from subjects that are heavily influenced by hadiths and scholars opinions such as shari3a law ...................... ............................................................................. ........................................................................... I would love to read his book on "Islamic Law" before I decide whether to put him to rest or change my mind about him.
  • How did you find this site and when?

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    i was googling, islam related, think it was about salat, coz i remember seeing an article saying "3 salat not 5" and thought "what's this b******t" lol, and where do i stand now... peace lk
  • An Open Letter to Ruth Kelly

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    Many 'muslims' in the UK are involved in drugs,prostitution,credit card fraud,promiscuity,neglect of parental duties,tax evasion,'incivility',teenage pregnancies,anti social behaviour and crime......I guess they are integrating well hey???!!! ;D Yep, I'd say so. But that's the process of "integrating" into Earth.
  • Seeing the forest from the trees

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    peace, I agree. It's very important to put al quran's messages into perspective. Consider it an order prioritising monotheism, doing good deeds... then all other stuff.
  • contradictions in the bible need help

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    "When is the second coming? MAT 2434 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. MAR 1330 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. LUK 2132 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 1 thessalonians 415-18" Wait, all of these say the same thing, that the generation talked about will not die out.
  • Kaaba again - destroy idols

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    Sorry, message deleted for repetition
  • HEAVENS GATE...making of a mini kaaba?

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    please check this link. http//www.apnaorg.com/poetry/farid/fdfront.html its not the type of Punjabi that we are familiar with ) peace Thanks bro... peace
  • Hello and Thank you From Feshari

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    Thank you Tay! )
  • divisons or unity?

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    The underlined part is what YOU claimed. It is not my saying. know who Saamiri is. I am not comparing righteousness. I am comparing two slaves, because you claimed that Moses was a leader because he was not a slave, but Haroun was not because he was a slave. The context was about slavery and freedom as factors for leadership, not righteousness and kufr. Just a question why do you highlight parts of my message and do not comment? What should the reader understand? That the word "low profile" offends you? "Leader and leadership" are your own words. This is WHAT I SAID!! Harun was a Messenger as well, if he couldn't stop his people why he is a low profile? Don't we know many other messengers who failed to stop their people from Idol worshiping? The only reason I could understand why people didn't listen Prophet Harun is just because he was also a slave like them before he became a Messenger but Prophet Moses was never a slave, he was a prince of Egypt and had authority over people. People listened him because they used to obey him already they always saw him as a Pharaoh. How would one keep la ow profile? By avoiding confrontation. Did Haroun confront the people? No. I ask again...WHY Harun kept low profile and Moses didn't? WHICH VERSE IN QURAN SAYS PROPHET HARUN DIDN'T CONFRONT THE PEOPLE? Captive women? This is your own understanding, not mine. Moreover, since when Islam made prisoners of war (slaves), or encouraged muslims to have POW? You avoided my question again. HERE is the complete VERSE 425 Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. Why slave women's punishment is half? Do you know there were slave people in the society at the time of prophet? If you think this verse doesn't talk about slave wome then I post it in a new thread would you explain that for me?
  • Can the quran work out of its arabic boundries?

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    peace4life i don't take a simple chart on submission.org as any sort of proof of the order of revelation. after all, what is this chart based upon?