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every angel has a past n enery devil has a future

Peace be upon you, And moreover, to really have a clear picture of my predicament requires a lot of writing. A 40 year odyssey cannot be explained in a few words. Respected. I am sure you will make the best decision. May the God increase us all in knowledge and give us victory over the rejectors.

http//story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041004/ap_on_re_us/muslims_poll Yes, and seems those one in four live right here in Pensacola, Florida. roll

Peace be upon you Tay, Thats the third post i've done (in succession) that i've either elicited a 'wow' or a 'phew'. Just tells me that my 'downloading' sessions must be working if others agree with my reasoning and find inspiration in some of my babblings lol . I sincerely hope that I'm on the correct line of reasoning - lets hope it ends in some 'flowing rivers' to drink from and 'fruit' from which to eat. I have to agree that it is beneficial to have some time to yourself in a relationship, me and my wife have a relationship, where she sometimes goes to stay with her parents for a weekend or a week. This has a number of positive effects for our relationship - absence DOES make the heart grow fonder. peace and quiet to meditate. D I agree that we are sometimes different people with our spouses, not drastically different mind you, just different enough, this generally relates to time spent alone with each other, rather than in the company of others (whilst being together). Yes, you have painted it very optimistically, but there is always something positive to look for and I believe this positivity is what we should strive for. peace

You may end up in a divorce because khalifites have been declared kafir and thats a consensus within the muslim ummah. Please tell your husband, that the sunnah is unislamic and an untrue source of the islam. Also tell him your deviant stances on some quranic verses and other important, fundamental issues. (no prayer, no hadj, no shahada, you can drink alcohol, have anal sex etc.) If you do not believe in Quran as furqan then why are you here? Why waste your time with a bunch of "kafirs" or "khalifites" as you call us? It seems you're just here to make comments and create fitnah. But why bother? It's a waste of time. You will not convince any of us about your idol worshipping of Muhammed. You'll just encourage more of us to put you on iggy. wink Salaam.

Peace be upon you Wakas, I do not think it is a coincidence, but I don't think it is a topic we should dwell on because who came first, doesn't matter, we all get what we earn. D

Salaam Kyle, Perhaps reading 48/29 would help with the tauraat and injeel aspects, brother ?

Are they selling garments made of Taqwa? Islamic clothing PLEEEEEZ!

Peace be upon you Doc, Quote Peace be upon you Doc, I disagree 100%. This reading(quran) was descended in Arabic. idol, Arabic happens to be the language of the people, the people whom allah chose in the world for they were/are the people most astray even today. It was sent in Arabic to a people that needed a messenger. The message is always sent to those who need it, in whatever language they speak. It is just another human language having all the principles of a language such as grammar, alphabet, vocabulary etc. So what makes the difference while you read is whether you are going to apply your soul(wisdom) to the mind(knowledge) or not. Soul is the criterion/principle for realizing The Book. What is the Arabic word for "soul" and what is the word for "mind". Please answer these questions for me so I can follow you, right now I am not following. What you write below are about the language of humans not that of God; for you have only interest in the application of your worldly language(knowledge); if only you have ruled over this, the criterion(wisdom) would have emerged elevating the meaning to the higher standards. What makes you say that I only have interest in application of worldy knowledge? Where do you get the information to make all these statements about me that you continue to make that I have NEVER said? Quote Yes, I have already told you that knwldge and wisdom are different, but knowledge is the foundation of wisdom. By saying so do u mean to say mind is the foundation of soul? I don't even know what you mean by soul. No. Mind shall use the Soul for its own Guidance. Knowledge shall surrender in total submission to the Soul, the RUH of Allah. Okay, so you translate "ruh" as soul. I translate "ruh" as energy, or divine energy(ruh ul qudus). Yes, the Divine enegy from the God should CONTROL the mind, I agree to that, but the MIND must aquire knowledge so that it can KNOW how to submit to the Divine energy. I use the example again of riding a bike, you must learn the knowledge of how to steer, balance, lean with the turn, etc. After repitition, the RUH takes over, and all of these seemingly seperate aspects of riding the bike comes together, and know you can do tricks without even "thinking". Quote In THIS world that we live in, we NEED knowledge to get to Wisdom. You seem to be forgetting your portion of "this world". Wisdom helps your survival despite your knowledge. For example you learn to drive the car; learn to accelerate; learn to stop the car etc., It is all knowledge. But you escape an accident in split seconds by application of sudden brakes, at hair-thin breadth. That is Wisdom unknown to you and none can teach you this. Knowledge cannot give you Wisdom, for it is as good as dead material. If you never recieved KNOWledge that you must press the brake to stop the car, the WISDOM would not have stopped the car for you. Quote When I speak of the "ALL", I am saying that the God is ALL THINGS both seen and unseen. Please idol, hear me if I am clearly hearing what you say ' God is both physical and mystical ? And He is a THING and He is visible too; to the naked eye and you have seen HIM, through your physical nature!?' No, We can only see the creation that manifest from Him. We can never see the God because we can never see the unseen. There will always be the overwhelming portion of the God that is UNSEEN. Quote When I say 'Source which is unknowable', that means that the SOURCE of the SEEN part comes from the UNSEEN part. Exactly correct! Source of knowledge(SEEN part) comes from the Wisdom(the UNSEEN part). But you lookat your own quote below and see how you contradict the above quote of yours! Quote Knowledge comes from the seen part, Wisdom from the unseen part. Is it contradiction ? If not, confusion ? Neither, let me elaborate. EVERYTHING manifest from the Unseen to the Seen. The position of the Human Being starts at the SEEN. The Goal is to realize its UNSEEN nature, its DIVINITY because of the RUH of the God that brings the "dead earth" to life. So from THIS POSITION, we must start to work backwards. We have to aquire knowledge so that we can intuit wisdom. Please tell me if you still see contradiction.

Salaamun alaikum Zarmina, The Quran says Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things? (41/53) The ayaat/signs in our horizons and in our selves will be identified/prophecised by the Quran such that we will be able to understand what is exactly going on in our realities. This is the Quran's proof of its authorship.

Salaam mz, Believe in Allah,Believe in the day of judgement and The Doing of what is good. I think i will spend a great deal of my time from now on on improving my buisenesses and doing the Righteous tasks Allah is asking us to do. Good for you! D A lot of us have yet to realize these simple truths, but God willing we are heading in the right direction. IMHO, I feel that you can still participate and do what you gotta do. Peace be with you.

Salam drfazl, Well..my question was whether or not we should pray for the dead? Please stick to the point. From (reading) Quran I like to believe that God possesses infinite mercy .God will forgive whomever he wills and requite whomever He wills. I dont question Gods infinite mercy on us. God Overlook many sins sign of Gods infinite mercy When I asked about the infinite Mercy, you ask me to stick to the point prayer for the dead But you write at length about the infinite Mercy in your post. See above. Anyways prayer for the dead is against Quran. dr fazl

Peace be upon you Nin, The word "zakaat" means purification. Charity is referred to as "sadaqa". A "masjid" is a mental position where one hears and obeys the God's restrictions, it is NOT a physcial building. Why waste all that money on a building unless it is for a homeless person?

peace Kyle, Taj, Please refer to the following thread http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2508 Wakas

Salaam Oppy There is only one religion, monotheism, but God himself created variations in how it was delieverd and how people practiced it. Just as he created variations in our languages and features. These variations were not in the religion but in the ritual practices. But people made the ritual practices a religion and so forgot the real religion. peace.

Welcome to the forum Ziggallo.

interesting.. can you kindly explain the concept of this business and how you generate such revenue..?? peace

"Perished are the speeches, vanished are the allusions, and nothing benefited us except for the prostrations we made in the middle of the night." --Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali, citing Imam al-Junayd who saw a deceased companion of his in a dream say this, may God have mercy on all of them.

Peace Kyle, Zen, Asdf, I'm glad you enjoyed the post. The gentleman who posted this was in the middle of a debate about the possibility of the existence of God. He proclaimed himself an atheist at some point, but judging by his words, I think he may be on the right path. Only God know for sure I just enjoyed the way he articulated his thoughts and I always find it fascinating when folks outside the fold of any religious indoctrination express a genuine connection to God. Anyway, peace be upon you all, Tay

Peace be upon you Taj, If those people decide to disconnect from that inner programming then it is their choice, which could be temporary, who knows? I am not in a place to describe them anything because they may change their minds at one point or another, and I don?t think I will be with them till the moment they die, when they may be dying surrendering to that programming. Don't we always think that we have decided on something for good only to change our minds few minutes later! So to label someone as a none-submitter looks like final to me, when all the while that person is still alive and still may get back on track! Do you get me, Kyle? Yes, I understand you completely. But the reality is that there ARE MANY MANY MANY people who are not submitters. It is not wrong to be able to discern if one is submitting or not. (9114) Abraham's asking for forgiveness for his father was not except on a promise he promised it (to only) him, so when (it) was clarified/explained to him, that he (his father is) an enemy to God, he declared innocence from him, that Abraham (is a) clement, forebearing. (6010) You, you those who have faith, if the faithful females came to you emigrating , so test/examine them, The God (is) more knowing with their faith, so if you know them (to be) faithful, so do not return them to the disbelievers... How does one go about the above life situations if we are not allowed to discern between a submitter and a rejecter? The Pharoah is a special case! How so? Why would the God use a "special case" when giving us examples? That saying I choose not to adopt, because I don't know what goes inside people's hearts. I would prefer to assume that they are! I understand thatyou want to maintain positivity, but you should not fool yourself into thinking that all people submit to the God. That is a fantasy world. If everyone submitted, Azygous (the one who started this thread) would not have needed to start this thread. Because the end is very critical. By the end only it will be decided whether that person died as a surrender or not, regardless of what he did in his life. Some people would do fine during their lives but towards the end they change, and the opposite is true. These matters are beyond ability to calculate! Taj, you continue to twist my position. I am not saying that one who AT THIS TIME is not submitting will always be lost. All I am saying is that you canot call everyone "muslim" because that is just not the case. hat contradicts the entire reading(quran). It is possible for a person to die while surrendering to this truth or while denying it but how do I Know? I never said you would know, but you can look at the words and actions of a human and tell if they are walking the God's path of Peace, or the other path of wickedness. What path is the terrorist on who blows up innocent children and himself? Or the politician who drops bombs on innocent children? You call them submitters? Yes, a Muslim is a state of being for all humans unless they choose to disconnect with themselves! Taj, let me ask you, why did you take me through all of this just to end up saying exactly what I reminded you of? D Do you realize just how many people are DISCONNECTED, as you put it? Peace to you, lets bring this thread back to the topic it was intended for.