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So I stumbled upon verse 936-37 which talked about not adding additions to a calander "The count of the months with God is twelve months in the book of God the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight the polytheists collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous. Know that the use of the additional month causes an increase in rejection, for it is used by those who have rejected that they may misguide with it by making it lawful one year, and forbidden one year, so as to circumvent the count of what God has made restricted; thus they make lawful what God has made forbidden. Their evil works have been adorned for them, andGod does not guide the rejecting people. "(936-37) So being the west I naturally use the gregorian solar calander for all my days actions and such and the lunar calander for religious duties and stuff. What bothers me about these verses is how it states we can't have additions to the calander. It may say additions in months but the word month wasn't there in arabic and simply stated adding anything to a calander. The solar calander has more days than the lunar one thus an addition. But does that mean using the solar calander is not allowed? I understand that not adding to the lunar calander as it distrupts the flow of events such as sawm and thus I use both calanders by that logic. Therefore is it okay to use both calanders even though one has clear additions to it already? Its not like i'm adding more to the lunar calander and quite frankly can't live without the solar considering where I live. What does everyone think?

In Judaism, mizrah (Hebrew "east&quot is the direction that most Jews in the diaspora face during prayer, as Jewish law prescribes that Jews face the site of the Temple in Jerusalem during prayer, and most Jews in the diaspora live west of Jerusalem, so they face eastward during prayer. The word "mizrach" also refers to the wall of the synagogue that faces east, where seats are reserved for the rabbi and other dignitaries. In addition, "mizrach" refers to an ornamental wall plaque used to indicate the direction of prayer in Jewish homes. The Talmud lays down the rule that if one prays in the Diaspora, he shall direct himself toward the Land of Israel; in Israel, toward Jerusalem; in Jerusalem, toward the Temple; and in the Temple, toward the Holy of Holies. The same rule is found in the Mishnah; however, it is prescribed for individual prayers only rather than for congregational prayers at a synagogue. Thus, if a man is east of the Temple, he should turn westward; if in the west, eastward; in the south, northward; and if in the north, southward. The custom is based on the prayer of Solomon (I Kings 833, 44, 48; II Chron. 634). Another passage supporting this rule is found in the Book of Daniel, which relates that in the upper chamber of the house, where Daniel prayed three times a day, the windows of which were opened toward Jerusalem (Dan. 610). It is customary in traditional Jewish homes to mark the wall in the direction of mizrah to facilitate proper prayer. For this purpose, people use artistic wall plaques inscribed with the word mizrah and scriptural passages like "From the rising (mi-mizrah) of the sun unto the going down thereof, the Lord's name is to be praised" (Ps. 1133), kabbalistic inscriptions, or pictures of holy places. These plaques are generally placed in rooms in which people pray, such as the living room or bedrooms. The Jewish custom of fixing the direction of prayer and orienting synagogues accordingly influenced both Christianity and Islam. In early Christianity, it was customary to pray facing toward the Holy Land, see also Jerusalem in Christianity. The orientation of churches toward the east has preserved until nowadays. In Islam, the original direction of prayer (qibla) was toward Jerusalem; however it was subsequently changed to Mecca. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrah We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #144) Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong. ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #145)

This has been causing a lot of hysteria in Egypt right now. However, there are some who claim that the whole story was fabricated. http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html

To change something, we must change the way we see it. Islamic reform only works as part of a move towards logical, unbiased, critical and unemotional analysis. In a world where logic is less valuable than bandwagons, identity and emotional gratification, it requires non-Muslims to recognise it as the result of intellectual values (even if to them, ?Islamic reform? is irrelevant (to real ?Truth?). I will share this to show that FFI can be dealt with if done from a progressive (rather than a religious or faith-based) perspective. In this way Qur'an-alone rides the wave towards logical, objective and unemotional thinking (i.e. as part of a broad approach, rather than just religous). Muslims and non-Muslims can thus get along, with wider perceptions of "Islam" changing. http//forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12510 Feel free to join, because with a few more people the culture of the forum can change. The arguments of "Qur'an-alone" are adequate, but I don't stray from the Sunni interpretation since it can be addressed on its own terms. If you go too far, they will not take it seriously. Internal matters are for other times. Moreover, the purpose is to expose and make an example of a core (corrupt) root. People can then see how weak Islamophobia is, and that people like Ali Sina do not have a chance if confronted. In reality it is Islamophobia and Sunnism vs. progressive Philosophy and Islamic reform. You can see it in that forum, where they defend the hadith. There has never been a better time to push it. My personal philosophy (religion-substitute) is also viewable.

Philosophy Man and Universe (21) (22) O you the Mankind, listen attentively; You demonstrate subservience and allegiance to your Sustainer Lord. He the Exalted has created you people, and those who existed before you. This demonstrative allegiance might let you people adopt rational conduct avoiding unrestrained moves, in reverence and fear of your Creator and Sustainer Lord. Your Sustainer Lord had, for you people, spread out the Earth in the manner of a floor/carpet; and the Sky in the manner of a canopy. Moreover, He the Exalted descended water from the Sky. Thereat, with this Water, He the Exalted brought out a variety of fruits-shrubs, as means of subsistence for you people. Therefore, you people should not ascribe equals for Allah the Exalted, while you people are in a state of logical understanding . This first direct address to humanity, comprising thirty eight words, perhaps encompasses the entire philosophical pursuit undertaken prior to its revelation till date, and answers simplistically. Philosophy deals among other things with these questions Character and general structure of the universe in which we live; Is there a permanent element in the constitution of this universe? How are we related to it? What place do we occupy in it? What is the kind of conduct that befits the place we occupy? A man on attaining reflection capability confronts physical and social world, and wants to enquire about it. These two unitary verbal passages address and answer above questions. The test of a Book, considered Guide in time and space coupled with lofty declaration as void of conjectural substance, is that a reader like me of ordinary prudence be not confused/perplexed in perceiving what is stated; otherwise he might loose interest in the Book. Moreover, if the Book makes a demand upon reader, it must give him a plausible reason to admit and obey that. Character and general structure of the universe in which we live is depicted as is visible to naked eye. The Earth, the Sky, Water which is also the source of botanical produce that serves as sustenance for humans is what the universe is all about outwardly. The character and structure of universe is finite as captured by mere observation. This yields a logical understanding of a coherent universe. Everything is interrelated, they are just one unit. Earth and sky are interrelated, sky and water are interrelated; and water and the produce of earth have inter relationship. The permanent element in the constitution of outwardly universe is vividly evident by our own observation since people before lived in the same universe. "He the Exalted has created you people, and those who existed before you". Men disappeared, universe is still there. We are not related to finite Universe enclave in a sky and earth. We are not meant for the universe. Universe is meant for us. It owes its existence because of us. It is visible to naked eye and to logical understanding of "the wise men", that the Universe is coherently structured to relate and serve us. This reflects what place do we occupy in it. We are not infinite but are not that sort of finite as the universe is. The kind of conduct that befits the place we occupy in the Universe is mentioned first in the address to humanity. No philosophical puzzles. Just one verbal sentence "demonstrate subservience and allegiance to your Sustainer Lord". is an Imperative Verb; Second Person; Plural, originating from Root " " denoting a relational signification that can be translated as "slavery-servitude-subject" in reference to his Master, Sustainer Lord which is the object of verb. This noun also is a relational word. Both signify nature and responsibilities of relational units. However, this relationship is unique since it is not merely Master/Lord-Slave/Subject equation but a relationship of the Creator and the Created. The characteristic feature and responsibility of Sustainer Lord is to meet the physical and honour needs of subject. He the Exalted has done it by fashioning the universe we are in to serve our physical and honour needs. Now it is our turn to willfully and affectionately demonstrate as allegiants of the Sustainer Lord. Depending upon sincerity of thought its effect is , adopting a rational conduct avoiding unrestrained moves, in reverence and fear of Creator and Sustainer Lord. This is the sublime manifestation and effect of , exercise of one's will and freedom of self governance aligned maximum to the desire and will of the Sustainer Lord. This will enable us perceive our invisible "Self" and align it with outer world. This alignment will eventually qualify us for ascension beyond the horizons of finite universe. This willful surrender and obedience to the Sustainer Lord will not compromise our honour and self respect. Where we can compromise our dignity and place we occupy in the Universe, we are cautioned "you people should not ascribe equals for Allah the Exalted while you people are in a state of logical understanding". It is observed reality that Man and multiple unities of universe are a singular coherent unit. Hereafter each concept and unities, and visibly and invisibly present in Universe will be unfolded in such explicit manner that all might be observed short of the Creator Who is the only invisible to human observation, yet known more than visible reality since He the Exalted has manifestly exposed His Hidden Self. We know an object and Person in absolute sense not by Vision but by knowing the invisible characteristics and their relations with others. The existence of Allah the Exalted can be felt by observing the minutest particle of His Creation, no need of so called "spiritual-mystic" exercises and experiences to "meet" Him the Exalted. Our guide lord Muhammad never did anything mysterious in his life before and after revelation of Qur'aan, as portrayed therein, yet was taken beyond the horizons of our universe. Certainly we are finite but beyond the finiteness of universe. What he did before Qur'aan, he was advised to suggest the humanity same advice You, the Messenger tell them, "I only advise you people with one advice, that you people stand/find time for Allah the Exalted in twos, and individually; thereafter, reflect objectively keeping aside passions/emotions/prejudices/caprices/whims/ conjectural myths to know the purpose of creation of things". Philosophy Man and Universe

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Peace to all believers , I have being a GOD alone beliver, accept all the messanges, the angels and believe in the last day. for the last two yrs, as the Quran wants me to be. Before I even began researching and finding other people who share this view, there was a part of me that believed in not touching man made innovations. Its very concerning when it comes to the matters of submission to one GOD alone. Mankind has a fatal and very disturbing disease when it comes to believing in GOD and the unseen. When we examine history and the events that took place often people worshiped man made innovations that were attributed to the prophet/s, this for them is sought of a guarantee that by them giving prophets high statuses next GOD this would most certainly guide their faith in GOD, but we see otherwise in the Great book. Simple test is, go and tell any sunni, or shia, or any sect, that you believe in GOD alone and only what came out of the prophets mouth which is indeed the Quran they'll ridicule you but when you mention the prophets name next to it and Bukhari they become satisfied. Exact same principals when it comes to Christianity " the only true way is through jesus-christ". Just look around and see who dominates the muslim world "sunnis", even when nikkah is performed its in accordance with sunni law, and you find muhammed's name mentioned there. I actually heard a sunni tell me that, Muhammed's name is next to GODs name in GOD's throne which is mentioned in a hadith, if this is true as I didn't attempt to find that hadith, then people are in a serious dilemma, you notice the christians with the same attitude when it comes to jesus.

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I think they added another fabrication this time to the Proverbs, which are directed to 'my son' written by Solomon, I take his advice seriously concerning adultresses and prostitutes, may my Lord guide me to the right path, and protect me from blaspheming against him, like those before us have done. Insha Allah. But where I think they added a false lie in the Proverbs, is the line 'he who wins souls is wise.' What would be the opposite, those who lost their souls? Well the opposite of win is to lose. And losing your soul, is what devils do, who do not rest, and like it says, 'no rest for the wicked.' who continue to try to win souls, but Praise be to Lord of the universe, the Almighty, the Loving, the Most Dignified, the Most Faithful, to God belongs all praise, who after Solomon and then the Jesus, sent the paraclete, Muhammad, meaning 'the praised', something which the Children of Israel never encountered, the name Muhammad, who was given revelations from God, the Most Gracious, sent through the Angel Gabriel, and whenever they try to approach you, to recite verses in the Quran, the four kuls, sura al kafiroon, sura al ikhlaas, sura al falaq, sura al naas. Chapter 109 The Disbelievers, Chapter 112 The Absoluteness, Chapter 113 The Daybreak, Chapter 114 The People. And to strive in God's cause, by observing the 5 contact prayers throughout the day, and to devote to the Quran. Winning souls means someone lost their soul, in other words they sold their souls by thinking you can buy happiness. Whereas the greatest commandment is to love God, with all your heart, with all your strength, with all your soul.' Winning souls, is something devils try to do, by seduction of the question, by doubting the Hereafter, by wicked schemes, and linguistically secular hateful malicious evil words, that show the prevelance of ignorance and to sell your soul for weight in gold, but if you wait, if you observe the good, rather than seduced by lies. After all Adam was banished from Eden due to lies from the devil. Let me correct you winning souls is wicked not wise. You that claim the Quran was fabricated, when never realise the number of times the Jews fabricated due to jealous egos, and attributed it to the Prophets and messengers of God. In fact throughout their history they were always trying their utmost to reject faith, failure of the test of light and darkness. Winning souls is wicked not wise. Loving God is the greatest commandment. Allahu ackbar Peace A Submitter Just as the deist claim, none of the scriptures are not the word of God, but of humans, no what you said is the word of humans, whereas what the Prophets and messengers were sent were from God. Just like the Christians claim they innovated, with circumcision, no you innovated. Just as the Muhammadans claim they corrupted no you corrupted. In fact the schemes of the disbelievers always backfires on them. Just as the Masons claim they invented, no you invented Amen bastard. Did He not cause their schemes to backfire? Are they plotting and scheming? The disbelievers' schemes backfire against them. To return, the Proverbs open with a reminder, for those who fear God. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.' (Proverbs 17) Ref Proverb 1130 "The Fruit of the rigteous is a tree of life, and he who wins souls is wise."

Did Ahmed Mansour translate the Quran ?

Having completed the 'marvels of space and time, history, the complete testament', I guess I hope there is a dua out there even if it is from me, that we should be given another chance, because the Quran talks of earth belonging to God, so we are given allegories which are relevant to our witness on earth while we live. After the completion, one could pray to not fall for the same points of rejection of faith, disbelief and undevout worship of idols, we can pray to live as children of God, who learn right from wrong, observe good from evil, know light from darkness. We have been placed on earth to give us a second chance to redeem our souls, whether what has occurred through television and media, only brings with it a lot of distrust, anyway the failure of the world of hearing, the seduction of the world of seeing, the falsehood of the world of speaking. Well then there is the fourth which is doing, God is the best Judge, the best Lord and Master, the best Helper. Those who neglected their souls, or lied due to polytheism trying to corrupt, must ask them selves is corruption eternal, does corruption last forever, or is innocence which lasts forever. They say children have an imagination, they say children are innocent, they say children... Do they mean young people, or linguistically talking of the children of God? Before we continue,what do you mean by children of God? Because you see the Christians are looking at history, and trying to emphasise and utilise the same ideas for their own religion, This is taken from http//www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/jesus/chapter7.pdf GOD?S CHILDREN DO NOT SUFFER God?s children do not suffer. This appears to be an unrealistic concept, but it is prevalent throughout the scripture. In the Old Testament, we read the following You who dwell in the shelter of the Most High, who abide in the shadow of the Almighty, Say to the Lord, ?My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.? For he will rescue you from the snare of the fowler, from the destroying pestilence. With his pinions he will cover you, and under his wings you shall take refuge; his faithfulness is a buckler and a shield. You shall notfear the terror of the night nor the arrow that flies by day; Not the pestilence that roams in darkness nor the devastating plague at noon. Though a thousand fall at your side, ten thousand at your right side, near you it shall not come. Rather with your eyes shall you behold and see the requital of the wicked, Because you have the Lord for your refuge; you have made the Most High your stronghold. No evil shall befall you, nor shall a liction come near your tent, For to his angels he has given command about you, that they guard you in all your ways. Upon their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone. You shall tread upon the asp and the viper; you shall trample down the lion and the dragon. This Psalm proclaims a consistent biblical premise that God?s children are fully protected from suffering. This is in direct contradiction with any doctrine requiring the kind of suffering that Jesus?one of God?s favorite children?supposedly endured. The Psalmist informs us that God ?has given command to his angels that they guard you in all your ways. Upon their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone.? Yes, there are exceptions to this biblical rule, but such exceptions can be explained. The righteous must first pass what can be termed ?admission tests,? before being admitted into God?s kingdom. Once the candidate is proven to be unshakably devoted to God, he or she is admitted into God?s grace and perfect happiness. The example of Job is a perfect illustration. We are told that Satan challenged Job?s piety, and was allowed to afflict Job, within limits imposed by God, in order to prove Job?s sincerity and steadfastness in his devotion to God But Satan answered the Lord and said, ?Is it for nothing that Job is God-fearing? Have you not surrounded him and his family and all that he has with your protection? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock are spread over the land. But now put forth your hand and touch anything that he has, and surely he will blaspheme you to your face.? And the Lord said to Satan, ?Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand upon his person.? So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord. Satan proceeded to test Job with affliction after affliction, but Job was not shaken from his devotion Job ...cast himself prostrate upon the ground, and said, ?Naked I came forth from my mother?s womb, and naked shall I go back again. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; blessed bethe name of the Lord!? In all this Job did not sin, nor did he say anything disrespectful of God. When Job had proven himself and passed all of Satan?s tests, God removed the afflictions Also, the Lord restored the prosperity of Job, after he had prayed for his friends; the Lord even gave to Job twice as much as he had before. Once the tests were over, Job was accepted as a ?child of God? and was generously rewarded for his steadfastness in the face of the suffering inflicted upon him by Satan. The New Testament confirms the idea of perfect happiness for God?s children. A good example is found in Luke 1228-31 where God?s children are exhorted to ?stop worrying? about the provisions of this world. They are told that God is fully aware of their needs, and will automatically fill such needs once they belong with Him If God clothes in such splendor the grass of the field, which grows today and is thrown on the fire tomorrow, how much more will he provide for you, O weak in faith! It is not for you to be in search of what you are to eat or drink. Stop worrying. The unbelievers of this world are always running after these things. Your father knows that you need such things. Seek out instead his kingship over you, and the rest will follow in turn. CONCLUSION The scripture clearly tells us that we each ?reap what we sow.? Jesus will not save us. God, not Jesus, is the savior of each and every one of us. He is the one we must pray to. He is the one we must be devoted to. Furthermore, God guarantees protection for those who become His children by their devotion. Once admitted into God?s protection, there is no real suffering for God?s children. As the story of Job shows us, Satan is theinflictor of suffering. This suffering is inflicted, within strictly imposed limits, upon those undergoing the ?admission tests? prior to entering God?s protection, or upon those who freely choose to remove themselves from God?s domain. In accordance with these biblical guidelines, Jesus never suffered during the last days of his life. These guidelines apply to all of God?s childrenAll who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. [Romans 814 Peace A Submitter

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Upon being challenged to provide proof of Salat from ahadees, a Brother has provided this link (In Urdu) http//www.kitabosunnat.com/kutub-library/article/urdu-islami-kutub/8-ibadaat/90-namaz-e-nabvi-sahih-ahadees-ki-roshni-me-jadeed-ediction.html Those who can read Urdu, may wish to comment and share their views. Thanks.

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I was just wandering. Can you say(and actually do) that you have forgiven someone but then go to the police or other authority and make a complaint against them for something that they have done to you or someone else. I would say that the only way you can achieve that is if you do it for the reasons of helping them and you. If you do it purely out if revenge then you have not forgiven. Then you are just trying to hurt in return. By helping others, I would say is helping your self, also you might free yourself from some sort of injustice that's ongoing. Thoughts? Thanks

dear sisters and brothers I've done pretty much about the battles and shafts, and the absolute cruelty of mankind, when it comes to animals. Not only as meat consumers, but also as a creatures, as living beings. I came across a statement that God used "sacrifice" (the negative meaning in the sense of sacrifice and today's pre-Islamic massacre) in contrast to the expression of meaningful killing, which means also a victim of Islam. The starting point was the article on the slaughter of a brother. Here are my thoughts in line of the article Is 'Thakaytum' a synonym of 'Thiba / Ziba?' 005003 "Forbidden to you is carrion (Arabic maytatu) and blood (Arabic damu) and the meat of the pig (Arabic walahmu lkhanziri) and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of God, and the animal that has been stifled is beaten or death (Arabic mawqudhatu) or killed by a fall or by horns blow or by a predator broken, except that which ye have slaughtered (Arabic Thakaytum), while it was still alive, and forbidden to you is all that was slaughtered on the altars G?tzendiesstes.. (Arabic Thubiha) And you is not allowed to seek to discover through divination what the future may hold for you, this is sinful Verhalten.Heute have those who are bent on denying the truth All hope lost respect your religion turns out not because they respect, but I have respect for mir.Heute vervollkommet your religious law for you, and have given the full measure of my blessings and willed that Selbstergebung shall be your religion in what I am. However, the terms, driven by extreme hardship and not by an inclination to sin, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace. Thakaytum root DHAL / KAF-THAL-WAW in classical Arabic dictionaries equated with designation battles to life in a certain shape to finish, exclusive of other forms. It does not address a particular form. It is clear that the word thakaytum a permitted type of killing is contrary to Thiba, which describes the killing of more than victims. But I wonder, why then has God made this difference we see in the top line? God uses each word very precisely, he uses every word exactly what we can look at many different locations. It raises the question why he has done it here too? where the word 'Thiba' or his compositions was used in the Koran? Thiba / Ziba root DHAL / THAL-BA-HA; divide to sacrifice his throat cut, slaughter, massacre, slaughter in a large number, the ritual slaughter The Quran gives us an example by seeing how the word "thiba" was used. In Sura Al Baqara we see, that this was a order from God, the people however, always ask for more details until it was extremely difficult for them to find another suitable cow. The word Thiba is used here to describe a required slaughter of God.o Battles versus victims 2.67 And behold, Moses said to his people Behold, God commands you to sacrifice a cow. (Arabic Tadhbahu root TH-BA-HA) They said Did you spot us about? He answered I seek refuge with God not to be so ignorant. ... 271 Moses replied Behold, he says it should be a cow, not further prepared to plow the soil or to irrigate the crop, flawless, without drawing in any other color. They said Finally your gerau brought the truth, and then sacrificed (Arabic Thabahu - root TH-BA-HA), they, although they had almost left undone. " God demands the sacrifice probably refers to a Mosaic law, which prescribes to slaughter a cow in an unsolved murder. This law is found in the Old Testament Deut.21.1-9 --It is a command to be executed -it is a victim not for food 27.20/21 And one day he looked in vain for one of the birds, and so he said how is it that I do not see the hoopoe? Or he could be among the absentees? If this should be so, I will punish him very severely or kill him (Arabic thabahu), unless he brings me a convincing excuse -The question arises whether a prophet of God would kill a bird just because he was not present? -It seems not to be a literal act, rather then allegoric . This is also the opinion of many Koranic commentators (Ex. Muhammad Asad) -The word here is clearly seen not in the context of food, hunger -used negatively, as a threat, senseless act 37 102 And one day when the child was old enough to become to be part of his (father's) efforts, the latter said O my dear son, I've seen in a dream that I offer you (Arabic athabahuk) should consider the matter, what would be your view. He said O my father, do as you commanded, you will find me, hen God wills it, found among those who are patient in adversity. -Also here is the word used to describe a sacrifice, what was ordered from God. -Abraham thought it was prescribed by God -No association with hunger or food profits clear audit -negative 37 107 And we ransomed him with a huge sacrifice (Arabic bithibh azim) Also here is the redemption of the victim pointed to the cult it is about the fulfillment of a requirement the victim has nothing to do with food production. 249 And remember the time when we rescued you from Pharaoh's people who afflicted you with gray samee suffering by slaughtering your sons (Arabic juthabihuna) and spared your women, what a terrible test was possible from your Sustainer. (See also 14.6, 28.4) -the word is used here to describe a massacre. -Clearly negative -senseless bloodshed -is called a test Due to the real sacrifice 2227 So you proclaim to all people the pilgrimage. They will come unto thee on foot and on every type of fast steed, far Removed from any point on earth coming 2228 to learn that they like a lot of what they will be useful. And that they may glorify God's name on appointed days over which the cattle may have always provided them with it. Then eat thereof and feed the poor, unfortunate First Because of the pilgrimage connected with the "sacrifice" Second the self-sacrifice for the cause of God (righteousness, peace, kindness, donations) is in the foreground Third here the "new" victim explains It is sacrificed in order to say thank you In order to present the life and death of his To remember God and all life is death of him To be aware of the importance of life it is not easy mindlessly kill, slaughter, but deliberately "sacrifice" to bring it in The name of God to slaughter and most important You may eat thereof and must feed the poor the senseless sacrifice of pre-Islamic period is replaced by meaningful victims, not to get something, but to give. Place of the real sacrifice 2234 And every community we have determined an act of worship, that they may glorify the name of God over what goes wrong with cattle He may have supplied. And your God is the One and Only God, why surrender to him, and tell you the good news to all who are humble 2235 all those whose hearts tremble with awe whenever God called, and all those who patiently endure whatever of evil befalls them, and all those who continually perform the prayer and spend on others of what we prepare for them as supply. 2236 And as for the victims of cattle (Arabic Bud'na), we have prescribed it for you as one of the symbols erected by God, where is good for you. So glorify the name of God over them when they are lined up, and after she fell lifeless to the ground, eat of their flesh and feed the poor, who is content with his lot, as well as the one who is forced to beg. It is to this end that we have made to serve you, your needs, so that you may you have reason to be grateful. 2237 But keep in mind never reached their meat nor their blood God it is only your awareness of God, which reaches him. It is to this end that we have made it subservient to your needs, so that God may you praise her for all the guidance, with which he has blessed you. And you proclaim these glad tidings to those who do good. Here it becomes clear where the "new" victims may be performed as a ritual only on the pilgrimage. The battles at home is not supported by the Koran The point is mentioned again to be aware, one of the gifts of God and the gift of life is senseless killing of God as sacrilege (no slaughtering of sacrificial altars) sentenced The victim as a symbol of life and care There must be killed-one killing of an animal for food without eating it or feeding the poor is not allowed -The reference to the flesh and blood is very important it shows us that the custom of sacrifice to achieve something (forgive sin, blood sacrifice, to sacrifice truth commitments, Mosaic sacrifices, killing for no reason) is abolished! The concept of sacrifice in the Koran 3.183 fire victims abolished As for those who say behold, God has commanded us not to believe in any Messenger unless he comes to us with burnt offerings, say Even in front of me are you messengers came with all evidence of truth, and even with what you say, why did you kill them, if what you say is true? -The Jews knew the atoning sacrific,e the burnt offering and the sacrifice of law which has been mentioned in Surah al Baqara. They did want separate from their ancient laws and accepted no prophet, who promised them relief 4.66 Selfsacrifice is required / human sacrifice just as Selfsacrifice But if we prescribe for them Give up your life, or leave your homes, very few of them would do it - although if they did, to do what they have been admonished, it truly for their own good and would be likely to strengthen them very much. -Here is pointed at a human sacrifice the Selfsacrifice for God and emigrating (Hijra) -This is a lawful form of "human sacrifice" 527 sacrifice of Abel and Cain And also give them the thruth setting forth the history of the two sons of Adam, how everyone was offering a victim (Arabic kurbanan) , and it was accepted by one of them, while it was not accepted by the other. And Cain said, I will surely kill thee but said, behold, God only accepts from those who are aware of his conscious. -It is never actually mentioned a killing, it is only the term "kurbanan", which can be many things, according to the Bible there was a grain offering. -After the root, it can also be simply a pious act, a sanctification, must have been something that both brothers have done for God. What ever it was, it was only accepted by one of the two. Conclusions to th-bh-(thahaba sacrifice) and (slaughter) Thakaytum -(Sacrifice) the process of TH-B-H refers to a sacrificial rite, as was usual in pre-Islamic times. -The process that is described with TH-B-H , always has to do with "wanting"; as sacrificed, either to the gods or God, be pleasing, or something to gain (rain, good harvest, forgiveness, enlightenment, truth) -TH-B-H has a negative aspect, it also means senseless killing ( the victim is not eaten, but burnt or frequently drank only the blood or presented to the gods, that it rots ... It means also slaughter massacre, bloodbath. -The term 'Thakaytum' gets the other hand, the importance of killing as it is right. The aspect of food intake is in the foreground. -The Koran connects the two terms in this way that the ritual sacrifice is aligned with the Thakaytum. The negative aspects (as mentioned above) are eliminated, so that today a victim (Th-h-b) is equated with (thakaytum). -Thus, the two terms was originally not synonyms, the Islamic Deen but puts them on the same stage by rejecting any meaningless animal sacrifices thank you all for reading and sharing your opinions.salamu aleikum! because i maked this post like always with help from the Google Translate, i'm sorry and for the Verses from the Quran, it will be better, if you read them in a proper translation. (the original is from the German 'die Botschaft des Korans', M.Asad, Edition Patmos ) )

This is possibly in the wrong section This is a brief rationale for the approach we must take (with non-Muslims). As a non-religious person I state my own reasons why I am not religious, just as religious people have their reasons for being religious. We (should) all know our motivations, so it is irrelevant past the values and INTENTION we share. http//forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=55 I had a conversation with Ali Sina about something similar, but at the time he could not see past the fact I was Muslim. Now I am not, but I encourage all people to interact with others (for the wider cause). It can only help the cause of this site. After all, any religion or philosophy is useless if it does not aim to improve. Cheers; Peace.

Repentance (tawbah) ? (417-1 Allah?s acceptance of repentance is only for those who do evil out of ignorance/not knowing, and who repent before dying. It will not be accepted from those who know their deeds are wrong and repent when dying; or those who die as deniers of the truth This means acceptance (forgiveness) is only if (i) one is unaware that the deed is wrong and do not appreciate its affect on others (ii) they undo the deed and then do right quickly Those who are fully aware that they are doing wrong, how would they undo the deed? Their character is corrupted. How will Allah forgive them? ? (4226) Responding to repentance of those who believe and do righteous deeds ? (2867) Those who repent, attain to faith and do righteous deeds ? they could achieve paradise ? (654) Acceptance of repentance for evil deeds done out of ignorance ? (2570-71)For those who (i) repent, (ii) attain to faith, and (iii) do righteous deeds, Allah turns their bad deeds into good deeds (in terms of their character and its affect on society). This is because he who repents and does what is right (i.e. righteous deeds) has truly turned to Allah by their repentance ? (431) If we avoid major sins (i.e. those that cannot be undone, such as murder or rape), Allah will efface bad deeds and we shall enter paradise ? (254) Fataloo unfusakum ?Kill your nufs that is keeping you on the wrong path?. By doing wrong, we sin against the nufs Repentance + Righteous deeds = Acceptance of repentance

The bond/trust/covenant/contract with Allah (A?hd) Allah?s covenant refers to man?s moral obligation to use his inborn gifts given by Allah (intellectual and physical) and all his possessions (including wealth) in the way intended for them by Allah, in return for the rewards Allah has promised (227) People who break their bond with Allah go astray. They cut was has bidden to be joined and spread corruption on earth (20115) Allah imposed the trust on Adam, but he forgot it and had not firmness of purpose in him (1695-96) We should not compromise our bond with Allah for a small gain. All the things we possess is bound to come to an end, and all that is with Allah is everlasting (1734) We should be true to every promise, as on the Day of Judgement we will be called to account for every promise we made (1691) We should be true to our bond with Allah. We should not break oaths when we have made them consciously (as opposed to those we may have made without thought, for which we will not be taken to task ? 2225). Allah knows all that we do (9111) Allah has bought from the believers their lives and possessions, in return for paradise. This covenant was promised in the Torah, Gospel as well as the Qur?an. Nobody could be more faithful to this covenant that Allah. We should therefore rejoice in such a bargain! (286) Those who buy the life of this world at the price of the life to come will find that their suffering will not be lightened and they will not be saved from punishment The contract (9111) Out contract with Allah, i.e. selling our lives and possession to His way in return for Paradise and a happy state. (285) Requires total submission, part will not work (187), (314-15) Materials on earth are test for us (498-99) Helpless (e.g. disabled) people and those not shown the right way will/may be exempt from punishment (49 We cannot make an excuse that we were too weak on earth to not do wrong (physically, mentally or politically) See paper on ?Faasiq? for more details on the boundaries within our contract