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When I wrote my previous message I did not forumlate it but I took for granted that repentance meets forgiveness. A rapist can repent, a mushrik can repent. I am afraid that if it was nto so, there would not be much hope in the world. Most people need repentand, or at least acknowledgemente of their wornd deeds and the purpose not to fall again on them. Indeed, if the repentant met not forgiveness, then God would be a lier and the the intimate feeling of which speaks Armanaziz, would also be lying to us. Given that the question arises, if God forgives after repentance but does not forgive this or that never, it means that He forgives some things even without repentance. Is that so? I think so. We do wrong things but without setting partners to Him. Sometimes we are mean out of habit, out despite, out outter silliness and despondency... But without deliberate will to act like monsters, out of arrogance and pride. I think that when the Catholic Church set satanic pride as the king of sins she was right. I think that the delirium to feel that we are masters is the sin that makes us blind to reality and therefore unable to repent of real sins. A raper or a murderer who sets himself master of other cratures is blind to divinity in himself and in everything. I have the feeling that that thing that prevents firgiveness because in fact it prevents repentance, os satanic pride, what in Spanish is called "soberbia" which is very distinct from common pride, which in Spanish is again another word "orgullo". Soberbia sets us against God, it is beyond bonds, pride (orgullo) is human, is bad but it is still human. The setting partners is in fact the deliberate rebelion against anything restricting us, voluntarily or unvoluntarily, except what we choose. In fact that is what the Shaytan did, he set up partners to God deluding himself that he was master, and some masterhood God has accorded to him and to humans, but a false one. That is what prevents us from repenting and therefore from seeing reality. When we soften and let reality sin in within us and we are able to repent we will stop being blind, blind to our hearts, to the suffering of the humans and other creatures we harm... Repentance is the paradise of Tlaloc, where tears clean us of our dirt and bring back life to our eyes. May the Divine give us those in abundance to be able to see our closeness to God, our closeness to the divinity our identity with It. And may we be forgiven of everything forever. Salaam

Salamun Alaikum brother Jafar. I believe we have reached the end of the discussion here. There were some finer points in your earlier post which I may have initially missed, but then again the way you presented your original arguments had significant shortcomings. Here are my take-aways from the discussion On Qur?an being preached by Muhammad Yes, I agree that Muhammad (pbh) could not have possibly referred to sura number X, verse number Y of Al Qur?an during his lifetife; rather it was more like on a given situation he received a particular inspiration and would say ? on this topic I would refer to the inspiration I received today, ??? etc. These inspirations were supposedly meticulously recorded and memorized by his followers and subsequently consolidated in the book named Qur?an. I still hold there is considerable historical evidence to support a belief that all the contents of the book named Qur?an that we have with us today is only a complete collection of all the ?inspirations? that Muhammad received and preached and it is arranged in an order recommended by him. The sura name, number and verse number may be later innovations to facilitate referencing ? but that does not negate that the contents of the book were, in all possibilities, preached by Muhammad. On Holy Book I agree that human beings have and should have the freedom to believe or not believe any particular book as holy. There was no holy book from the beginning of mankind ? so no holy book can be a part of ?basic requirement? for a successful human life. But this DOES NOT rule out the possibility that the Intelligence and Power which is behind the design and sustenance of the universe, including mankind, may devise a way to communicate with mankind through chosen individuals. And if a person claims to have received such communications in the form of inspirations and there are a group of ?disciples? who study the inspiration ? find it appropriate and consistent with the design of the universe as well as human morality and intelligence ? then there is nothing wrong for the disciples to believe in that person and to believe in the inspirations that he brings as holy. However, I do agree imposing the inspiration on other unwilling people is unacceptable. A vast majority of the people who claim to be followers of Muhammad and claim to be ?Quranist? do idolize Muhammad and do idolize Qur?an to an unacceptable degree. I am emphasizing the term "Believe" because I need to clearly specify the meaning of this term as I intend above. To me "believe" is NOT "to accept a statement without any argument" (like some people believe in ghost), but rather "believe" is "accpting an statement after careful consideration and full satisfaction." (like scientists believe that earth rotates around the sun). If you do not agree with the above you can summarize in your words ? and then let us move on. May Allah guide us all to the straight route. Regards, Arman From my perspective.. the discussion shall never ends.. As with an answer it always brings up some new questions.. The more we know, the more we're aware there's so many things that we do not know.. I'm now intrigued on how such 'mentality' exists mainly within those who are 'related' with Judaism.. Who initiated such 'thinking' thus it become widespread? Why they developed such thinking? How it's started, developed and evolved? And when did it started? (Most definitely after the invention of paper and ink) Salam / Peace

Were there any movements prior to the 19th Century that were pro Qur'an only? What literature is available about these movements? http//www.scribd.com/doc/52181511/The-Muslim-opposition-to-the-writing-of-hadith-in-early-Islam-by-Michael-Cook http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm

Of course, I believe he is a Sunni or else. . However, we cannot find one group of belief that is perfect in this world God make them that way, and people in search for truth choose what to believe from various groups of people in this world They learn from each other experiences, traditions and cultures. . not adhering to bigotism and one or few wrongs don't mean all what he said is wrong There are certain things that is right There are certain things that is wrong, yin and yang It is the Sunnatullah. . . But we can balance what they said from the Quran, the "confirming function" of the Quran http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ghCpHM1Yi4/Uqvd_yGyraI/AAAAAAAAARM/pwDqWu2kVwU/s1600/confirm.png Peace, You are 100% right. It is just that I have to discipline my obnoxious mind when it gets disappointed when finding crap among gems in a persons writings. My mind keeps feeling awkward and uneasy when a person who writes something very wise and insightful, suddenly produces something dubious, outrageous and ignorant. But I'm fully aware of that nobody is perfect and nobody has perfect knowledge... and I have to constantly remind myself thereof. My mind is infected by an unrealistic expectation of perfectionism... mostly in myself, but I also know this doesn't go with reality. It's just something I have to work on. The issue though that makes it a bit difficult, is that when I find some nonsense, then it is also harder for me to trust the sensible information... "what if it is just sweet sounding imagination?". So I guess it all comes down to keeping the head cool and objective, and to have a sensible way of sorting 'plausibly true' from 'fairy tales'. Verse 1736 then comes to mind, but one effect is that there is not much left that we actually can hold for true within ourselves when we must verify everything. I'm going to check out this sufi dude's other writings aswell. Peace

I'll be with you guys(gals) in-spirit! Stay strong! group peace

I don't think it is always have to be shaytan but more about "personal fallacy", besides Allah said. . . And We made from them leaders who guided in accordance with Our commandment for (ie. conditions for Muslim leaders, ulema etc) they were patient and had certainty regarding Our revelations 3224

It did. And yet people still found a way to fall right back into sectarianism a generation after the prophet. That's how it will always be, mocking others on religious issues and promoting war etc, but . . . And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam it will NEVER be accepted of him and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers 385 and it is also good news, because that is how Allah will raise leaders among the people, ie. from those who are free from the ideology of religion and sectarianism. And when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority 2.30 . . . I'd rather people keep their heads and have an opportunity to repent and contribute to a more just world. I believe that is in compliance with the values Allah gave us. That's life. . and as equal to nature, sometimes there are disasters. This is normal. and on bigger understanding of current world system, it is compliance with the values Allah gave us. . . . The blue I agree with, the red is already happening in many places. The red is statistically predicted . . and I believe the blue will be worst in the next 3-5 years, worldwide. . in all religions and in the Muslim world, call it whatever name they like, the Mahdi, Jesus etc . . but it will happen. . just a slight changes on leadership, the Ummah will be back on track Solomon to Jesus - more or less 700 years - balance and justice (medina) Jesus to Muhammad - more or less 700 years - Thaghut (mecca) Muhammad to Ash?ari - Crusades ? - more or less 700 years - balance and justice (medina) Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi The ummah is ash?ari, the salafis are a small minority http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG8PEU0Iqn8 Who Are The Ash?aris? http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzrO856pjPk#t=935 Ash?ari to Present - more or less 700 years - Thaghut (mecca) Present - more or less 700 years - balance and justice (medina) So. . . maybe it is the right time for balance and justice, even the whole system is heading for that direction. . http//astrocycle.net/Earthquake-chart.jpg targeted areas? http//www.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquakes/images/earthquakeActivity/world_seismic_stations.jpg one goes down while the other goes up, and it will never last forever. . proven. Allah is the Al-'Adl (The All-Just). peace

Peace, Have they threatened to kill him? God bless you Idk, I don't have access to his PM box.

What is hikmah? You may find these links helpful http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14594.msg135168#msg135168 http//kashifshahzada.com/2014/03/28/what-is-al-hikmah/ Chapter 7 http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran_True_Sunnah_of_Messenger_Naveed.htm http//www.quranicpath.com/sunnishia/book_and_wisdom.html Great links dude. Helped me learn a lot pretty quickly.

peace all, The meaning of SaBiH from The Quran Part 2 http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html#Part2 As always, feedback welcome, especially corrections.

I've always viewed myself and all the Only Quran followers as reformists I never viewed myself as Only Quran follower as I don't follow only Quran or I view the Only Quran follower as reformist. However, I feel a bit strange when I read the ayats of Surah Al-Baqarah (especially the 11th). Who is this "reformists" referring to? Who are they? It's on Al-Baqarah, main theme of the chapter is about the Israelites. By further reading on the verse, there's an additional characteristic of this "reformist". They lie for some gain (presumably political gain) They spread corruption on the earth They're arrogant and never see the truth in others, always see others as 'fools'. They never recognize falsehood within themselves. My best guess will be a group known as "The Zealot". http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealotry "Zealotry was originally a political movement in 1st century Second Temple Judaism which sought to incite the people of Judaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy Land by force of arms, most notably during the Great Jewish Revolt (66-70). Zealotry was the term used by Josephus for a "fourth sect" during this period. The Zealots advocated violence against the Romans, their Jewish collaborators, and the Sadducees, by raiding for provisions and other activities to aid their cause. The Zealots objected to Roman rule and violently sought to eradicate it by generally targeting Romans and Greeks. They raided Jewish habitations and killed Jews they considered apostate and collaborators, while also urging Jews to fight Romans and other Jews for the cause." Quite similar characteristics as today's Islamist. Salam / Peace

Peace, If you ask me you should focus on the base meaning and ignore the conjecture and let God give light upon it for you through inspiration. Compare the word's occurrence in all contexts of the recitation that you have shall, God willing, help you too. God bless you

I believe dancing is like most everything else in Islam, intentions mean everything. Allah knows what you're thinking, so if you're just enjoying music together platonicly, I feel like that's ok.

God owes us nothing, and we owe Him everything. We are His and he is not ours. I agree, sister. http//3.bp.blogspot.com/--h4eLCX9klE/UZHjEBYfY2I/AAAAAAAADoo/W5bcUQjtXls/s1600/thumb-up-facebook-emoticon-like-symbol.png Peace.

Peace, But one who reads the recitation recorded in a book also needs to have a very critical approach to its contents. Things are not as they seem to be at all with this piece of scripture, and words have shown to carry an ultimately different meaning than usually thought. And in my thread 'Nearness and Guidance..." I will soon reveal why there are no "disbelievers" or "rejectors" but that is just a misunderstanding of the word gravely rooted in the issue of the gradual change of meaning of words and due to ignorance. Clouding the truth was nearly an accurate term as people on the forum were at, but I have found that the Arabic word 'kafir' means to corrupt. And I will soon unravel why in my thread after some research. The ones that are threatened with Hell are the ones that corrupt and spread mischief across the lands. This ought to be a relief for the faithless such as 'Student of Allah' who believes that God is a terrorist. The ones that kill and spread mischief in the name of religion as per 'Student of Allah's example are the real 'kafiroon'. They change the decree while they ought to know because they are not sincere and they heed those who have composed the decree with their "hands" while it was not from God. They have listened to hearsay and formed the decree after what they read and heard. So is the true translation of the verses speaking of writing the book while ketaab is not book nor is there any mention of writing anything and the 'hands' in the verses are allegorical. If that is so even God would have hands (see 326 for an example). Thanks for my input and all praise be to God. God bless you

can you make this clearer to non-Arabic readers please and don't forget the verse where Allah names us muslims even in the time of Abraham the father of monotheism. Salaam brother, Allah sent down His book in clear Arabic. So, I tried to show how those Arabic words clarifies and define its meaning. How precisely tanween or nunation is used in this Arabic language, alhamduliAllah. I don't think it is possible to clear these points for non-Arabic readers. But even if you look closer the Arabic words that I used as a examples, you will see there are differences in text. Or else you could take some help from transliteration. For example Kitaabu = Book or written text. KitaabUN = Specific book or specific written text. KitaabIN = Some book or some written text. KitaabAN = Single book or one written text. This is how Arabic words defines its meaning in detail. But I strongly believe that at least you should know how to read Arabic. Understanding Arabic is not required for guidance really. But at least you should know how to read Arabic to see and understand its patterns and styles. May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr mmKhan

your hair had better balance because you covered it, if your skin tans your hair tans too. You mean this as cosmetic advice? Salaam

The thing is God is the maker of everything, also of our emotions, of our sentiments, of our passions. He knows them in and out. God loves, He says so en the Qur'an, He likes... But is the love of God the same as human love? I think it is beyond our grasp as everything concerning God is beyond our grasp. We grasp, experience some of Him through ourselves and through the whole creation, which are a projection of him in which we are conscious of what He wants us to be conscious. Nothing that exists is strange to God, he is the shaper of it, including our emotional setup. Teh one of each of us. Therefore He is not a stranger to human emotions, no, He created them, and as everything created by Him, which is everything, everything has His mark, but He is beyond anything we are able to conceive. When God speaks to us in the qur'an, he speaks so we understand Him, it would be useless to try to speak to us about things we could never conceive. He tells us He loves, but His love is not like human love, although human love is from Him and has His mark. What God's love is, what He means when He says He loves is for our consumption and orientation. His love, His anything we cannot grasp. However, what we can grasp should be sufficient for us regarding Him. That is, He is not playing an emotional game with us, He is truly guiding us through our destiny. We are His, He knows of everything we feel, think and do, but He is way beyond our grasp, although the very, very little we do grasp is true, completely true. Salaam

My two cents. I reject hadith in respect to being an authority in islamic faith. This does not imply I reject all knowledge that is outside of that domain. Hadith can be a historical source, even though imho it fails even at that for it's unscientifical methodology. When we talk about the domain of language, dictionaries and lexicons can be an authority. But only to the domain of language. It's also interesting to realize, Quran in itself preserves Arabic language, despite the hadith-influences that have tried to distort meaning of words or narrow them down to justify it's own narrative. Quran does this by being perfect and containing no contradictions. Many of the hadith interpretations of Quranic arabic words fail to withstand that test. your diary can be historical source... but not to insult you must realize the hadith is a scam to replace the book of ALLAH... why isn't the bible quoted in the hadith? or the torah? just separatist sectarian propaganda to me and I've have my struggles with hadaithees and reason and my past ALLAH forbid I relive them.

Are there any restrictions for Muslims with regards to this. Some imams seem to discourage Muslims by changing their white/grey hair into black or other colors. I also came across someone saying that its haram. I could not find any such ruling in the surah. Anyone out there who could assist me on this issue? Thanks. there is a verse in the quran speaking of shaitan commanding the slitting of the ears of cattle....why do you NEED to change your hair color again? is it to deceive people? I admit I think strangley colored hair is beautiful but I'm willing to stop seeing hair if it pleases ALLAH that people stop showing it. also a hoard head is a crown of wisdom... read proverbs in the bible. please quran only you are not simply quran only we believe in the angels all the books all the prophets and messengers, and we believe in the hereafter and the day of judgement.