Questions/Comments on the Quran

Peace, Yes, Idolfree, i believe Adam stands for the first peoples and the whole of humanity. As for the Isis-cult. In Greece, it became something different then from the Egyptian theology. I was refering to the Greek cult, not the Egyptian cult. If you look at the statues and pictures of Isis with Horus and compare them with Mary and Jesus in the catholic church, you will see they are the same.

peace Ahmed, can you still just give him the meanings? these are some I found...I don't know how trustworthy they are, though I looked up Jesus in Hebrew and it means "God will Help." Don't know what Isa means or if it even has a meaning. It could've been taken from the bible. Moses in Hebrew is "Saved from the Water" I know that Muhammad is "praisworthy, glorified" I couldn't find anything for Yaqub, but Jacob, again in Hebrew, means "held by the heel" (whatever that means). And I heard someone mention that Abu Lahab means "father of the flame" I provided the hebrew names because I guess that's where the names come from and the names in the quran are just arabified versions of those words.

Peace Myr Do you know if his books are in english? Here is his website in arabic http//www.shahrour.org/ I have no knowledge of anything else that what is on free-minds in english peace

Peace Simple belief the feeling of certainty that something exists or is true What is this something? From when and where and how did you get this certainty and knowledge ? believe to think that something is true, correct or real How do you know that something is true or correct? believer a person who has confidence in the benefit of something What are the benefits? submit to offer yourself for a decision to be made by others Why do you offer yourself for a decision to be made by others while you can be your own master? I believe in God , the attributes of God. What attributes? How do you know these attributes? some good quistions , but i think each of us has a reasoning / learning ability which some learn to utilise and make their own decisions whilst there are those who simply follow others. i am of the first type - to my understanding. some times we learn by trial and error other times we can watch and learn from things / behaviours around us - the clever ones use the second methodology more often . even following books we have to use try and see or watch the practical outcomes of uses of the knowledge from books to see what we make of it - but one must never accept it blindly - as this can be bad if not for us then for others. Blind followers however do not realise this - i think. Thanks.

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Peace Indeed Myr. Jibreel also mentions elsewhere this wrong in which we should not emulate Abraham . These narrations should help in the application of different subjects. One's repentence with God for forgiveness you can check in some of the ayatin I have written below. How repentence works 3/89; 4/17-18; 11/3; 16/119; 27/11 Joe

Salaam Wakas, Thanks, I'll go to those threads now. So it was ha-Lam-Lam? No wonder I didn't find it under Alif on PRL =adley=

Peace Samia and Serenity, that was brilliant Ayman....thank you so much for that. I have in fact, just been talking about this with my sons, and i was saying that God is specific, and that we should not decide that "oh, its just a little change, it doesnt matter" Thank your for the kind remarks. Anything good in the article is due to The God and the amazing logic of His great reading. I only deserve credits for mistakes (and I know there are several). I read the link Aymen referred to. I liked the article, however, I disagree with the following "Unlike the logically precise Arabic of the Quran, English has no easy means of distinguishing a hypothetical IF-condition from a counterfactual IF-condition". In fact, English has three kinds of "IF's"; and they are referred to as IF 1, IF2 and If 3. Examoles of these IF1 If X happens, Y will occur. (normal, high probability) IF2 If X happened, Y would follow (impossible, just a dream, as in if I lived in the seventh century). IF3 If X had happened, y would have occured (too late. Was probable in the past but not anymore, as in if I had listened to your advice, I wouldn't have been in this trouble). As for Arabic, the difference between these probabilities (conditional sentences) does not lie within the verb tense, but within the word used for "IF" There are three articles "law", "itha" and "in". "law" is used in translating IF" and IF3. "itha" and "in" are translations for IF1. Yet there is a slight difference. "in" is more conditional than "itha". "itha" indicates a logical outcome as in itha tuthakir tanja7 if you study you succeed. "in", on the other hand, indicates a different relation between both parts of the sentence, where the second part controlls the first, not the other way round. And Allah is more Knowledgeable. Thank you for your comment. I agree that some things need to be revised in the article because this was written a long time ago and my understanding has evolved since then. I agree that there are ways to denote the counterfactual in English. This doesn't have anything with "IF". It has to do with the conjugation of the verb. So without using "IF" you can say "Had I listened to your advice, I wouldn't have been in this trouble". IF is redundant and it is normally not used. I also agree that IN and ITH are different. ITH denotes "when" not "if" so there is a chronological dependency. Those two mostly mean the same thing even in English. However, there is as you said a subtle difference. I had corrected this in the article by adding another section at the end on ITH but I forgot to take the part at the beginning that says that IN and ITH are similar. At any rate, I agree with you that the article needs some revisions but the main points remain valid. Peace and all best wishes, Ayman

Peace All, I'm glad to see this thread get back on track. My apologies for contributing to it's "derailment". Peace, Tay

the "un" at the end of AAatheemun makes it indefinite, thus it can only refer to an indefinite noun.

When I had my first-born, there was always a worry before that, as to how I was going to make it, seeing that I had just left my job which I worked in for 10 years. Nice timing. I could never do 'accounts' in regard to the expenses in my life, so I gave up on planning and worrying about it. I just let it be. God has blessed our family, and especially myself, I think more than I deserve. I'd still complain, given the chance I guess... want more. But looking back, I don't know where the money came from. I never once begged in my life, not from family or anyone. Never accepted hand-outs, yet without a job, we lived under a comfortable roof, ate 3 (or more meals) a day, infact some of the best years of my life. I could have stayed in the dead-end job worrying I wouldn't be able to survive if I left until today. Who provides? That is a good example, there was a time when I didn't know what's going to happen next with the job situation but everything worked out in a way that I couldn't even have imagined and yes God has blessed us far more so than we deserve, I agree completely. That however does not stop me from thinking that we must be smart and think about the future to some extent, and there will be times that we won't know and things will work out with God's grace. I realize we keep bouncing the ball from one side to the other, and neither of us are really on either extreme. Help yourself and God will help you, ofcourse, who doesn't believe in that? But when do we cross the line and think we're in full control? Think about it. Giving God something to work with is what I call it! But yes, I understand your point completely and agree. peace

May peace be upon each of your hearts Thank you all for your very interesting responses. I need to evaluate each of them further, before I make a detailed response. As far as the database engine it will be MySQL. It has a wonderful text search capability that was just being developed five years ago when I hung up my keyboard from professional programming and database administration. The code for the front end I am still thinking about, but I am set on the first cut to be a web based front end. I want this for the main reason of compatabiltiy for the maxium amount of users including a phone browser. I toyed with the idea of a client based program and even layed quite a lot of code into it before I just had to stop, and make the decision to go to a web front end. I am leaning toward PHP but it will be a learning curve for me, but I like the speed of what I have seen elsewhere. As in all design phase programs I am making every attempt to decide the number of features at first release and what the order of additional features I wish to add later. All of the input here has given me quite the laundry list of features from which to choose from for the first release. Since I am designing the Database now, this is imperitive to decide now what features I will include later. As far as the effort, it is a personal effort and I am not colaborating with anyone of this except God of course. I have spend a number of years making up my mind to do this or not, and dealing with the moral considerations of developing artifical intelligence at all, and to what extent. But the goal is to develop it here in a way to provide the maximum benfit for returning users. Again, thank each of you for taking the time to respond to my querry, and I promise to keep you informed about what features I decide to include in my first release. May the Peace of God be found in each of your hearts... Dow

Peace Kyle, This makes good sense to me. The "exalted one" would be one who has impressed upon his/her spirit(nafs) the characteristics of the prophets, or something along that type of reasoning. Thank you for sharing the rest of Lane that I was not aware of. My pleasure brother. Peace, Tay

peace aisha, Firstly, welcome to the forum. thank you -) I like your style! Dont worry, its gets easier with time. I started out doing the above too. The following site might help www.studyquran.org I find, when you've narrowed it down to a few possible words, use www.openburhan.com or a phonetic search to find the specific one you want. Here is what I have, with some clarification to help wa (and) kalbuhum (their dog) basitun (stretching) thiraAAayhi (its two forelegs) bi (with/in) al (the) waseedi (enclosure/entrance) the root of "kalbu" is Kaf-Lam-Ba, see PRL for every occurrence of KLB/dog in 'al quran' (the reading), pay particular attention to 54 which provides evidence for a total rejection of the traditional Muslim myth about dogs.* the root of "basitun" is Ba-Siin-Tay, see PRL which allows you to read every occurrence of the specific word "basitun" in 'the reading'. the root of "thiraAAayhi" is Thal-Ra-Ayn, see PRL, the specific word also occurs in 6932. the root of "waseedi" is Waw-Sawd-Dal, see PRL for possible meanings. thanks for that wakas. I already use openburhan....its a really good site. Still takes me ages though. Like you said, it will get easier with time. *I just thought, could it be "the father of cats" was anti-dog, hence the anti-dog hadiths? Just a thought. lol...is that Abu Huraira?....does his name really mean that?...i thought that was too funny when i read it...how coincidental about the anti-dog hadith. If you wish to study 'the reading' word-for-word, I strongly recommend the following books Noble Quran word for word http//www.dar-us-salam.com/store/q11.html Dictionary of Quran http//www.amazon.com/gp/product/0963206796/ref=ord_cart_shr/103-2856847-2025461?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance&n=283155 thank you for that. Thats exactly the kind of thing i was looking for yay (sorry, just had to try that smiley out -)) peace aisha

peace jm thats a good point. I would say it applies, even if it's only one. . Why did God prescribe 4 witnesses? (not questioning God, but trying to understand) Because 1 or 2 could be lying and could be untrustable. Pictures though do not lie.

Salaam Jankren, Buset dah itu org Syi'ah asik juga ngomongnya Anyway, since Muhammad/Ahmad is just a messenger, and we should not differentiate any of them at all, the above ayat applies to all messengers because they all are "a mercy to the worlds". The "you" above address Muhammad/Ahmad the messenger (the role) not Muhammad/Ahmad the regular person. =adley=

peace pisces69, nice job indeed bravo peace God bless you.

I think the traditions can be accepted as long as They are not in contradiction with the teachings of the Quran They are not regarded as sacred Peace

Thanks for your input What about the following? Meezan (Balance) Qist (Justice & fairness) Adl (Justice & fairness) Ihsan (Goodness) Jihad (Struggle for just social order) (this one needs a qualifier) Noor (Light of Guidance) (this one needs qualifier too since it is a allegorical) Sabr (Patience & steadfastness) Taqwa (God consciousness) Tazakka (Moral Purification) Taharat (Physical and Moral Cleanliness) Millat (Way or Path) Tawheed (Doctrine of Unity of God)

Peace as far as i believe the most correct translation for (62) As far as I believe, the translation by Y A is good enough YUSUFALI Only those are believers, who believe in Allah and His Messenger when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, they do not depart until they have asked for his leave; those who ask for thy leave are those who believe in Allah and His Messenger; so when they ask for thy leave, for some business of theirs, give leave to those of them whom thou wilt, and ask Allah for their forgiveness for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Salam