Questions/Comments on the Quran

Peace folks, Please helpme understand Quran 05319, 20, 50 the story about 'Aad, 'Allaat and Al-`Uzzah'. I read these verses but couldnt make sense. The story below doesnt fit in my mind. One narration I received from friend; ''when these ayahs came the prophet was sitting among Meccans so as the narrators say, tried to say some thing from himself after may be ayah 053.020 that these gods/godesses are highly respectable ones and they may Help humans..after that prophet did tthe sijda and with him both muslims and kafirs did so, then refered to 053.50'' Thank you. Hello but verse 5323 is degrading those so called gods by calling them that they were nothing but invented names (23) simply the Quran says that these gods are illusions Peace

peace idolfree1 i would generally agree with you; But that's against the Quran An Unforgivable Offense Anyone who kills a believer on purpose, his retribution is Hell, wherein he abides forever, GOD is ANGRY with him, and condemns him, and has prepared for him a terrible retribution. You would see many of them allying themselves with those who disbelieve. Miserable indeed is what their hands have sent forth on behalf of their souls. GOD is ANGRY with them and, consequently, they will abide forever in retribution. And He will requite the hypocrite men and women and the idol worshiping men and women, for they have harbored evil thoughts about GOD. Their evil will backfire against them. For GOD is ANGRY with them, condemns them, and has prepared for them Gehenna. What a miserable destiny! Have you noted those who befriended people with whom GOD is ANGRY? They neither belong with you, nor with them. They deliberately swear lies! O you who believe, do not befriend people with whom GOD is ANGRY, and who are hopelessly stuck in disbelief; they are just as hopeless as the disbelievers who are already in the graves.

I generally agree, however, studies on the language have nothing to do with the religion. Tafseers don't attempt to view the Quran from a linguistic standpoint, they tend to interpret the Quran from a religious standpoint, imposing their religious opinions as authority, and that is wrong. You state It is not the colloquial Arabic, dictionaries compiled by non-Muslim orientalists or modern dictionaries that determines the meanings of the Qur-aan, but the Arabic usage and idiom of the time of the Prophet, all Allaahu`alayhi wa sallam as documented by the works of the early scholars of Islam. Your right you can't interpret the Quran through colloquial Arabic. However whether the dictionary was composed by a non-Muslim or a Muslim makes no difference if they are elucidating the usage of the Classical Arabic of Muhammad's day. Their being Muslim or non-Muslim has nothing to do with it. Because in this case the Muslim and non-muslim should be trying illucidate the usages of Classical Arabic, not trying to interpret the Quran. There is more Ancient Arabic literature out there than just the Quran. Early scholars of Islam only worked to impose their own limited (sometimes insightful but most times) myopic, deficient and distorted interpretations of what they thought the Quran says. That is up to the individual. Only the tool, that is the language should be clarified. Their opinion is as valid as any as most times their interpretations are not based on language usage but how they interpret hadeeth and other rumor-based historic events. There is a big difference in understanding the Quran, linguistically, as Muhammad COULD have understood it and interpreting the Quran according to how you think Muhammad did understand it, based on histories that are founded in rumour. Check the intellectual integrity of your preciouis Islamic scholars, and understand that the Islamic scholars who were concerned with religious interpretation were different than the Lingusitic Scholars who only worked to preserve and elucidate the usage of the Ancient Classical Arabic language. Godbless, Anwar

Salaam AhmedBahgat, Thanks for the reply. I agree it cannot be Allah. But for now, I'll wait for your additional information regarding Jibril while I re-read them. ;D =adley=

Salaam Simple, Thanks. ;D By looking at the context, yes I have to agree that it's simple, right Simple? ;D Perhaps a suitable one-word would be difficult to replace this one though. I'm still cross-reading and cross-referencing anyway, so perhaps I might learn something. =adley=

If you don't like "he" or "she" the other alternative is "they". I already hear and see "they", "them", "themself" (note the singular) for use for an unspecified person where "he", "him", "himself" is unacceptable, and "one", "one", "oneself" is considered awkward.

peace brother enquirer, it seems you have compassion,peace and logic uppermost in your thoughts...Same as me!!! ;D How is your situation with the 'cliff richard' syndrome now? I hope all is well for you... well its ok with most of my friends and family 'What good is knowledge which doesnt relieve human suffering'? its like water water every where but not a drop to drink . Peace all. ps;maybe those threads need bumping up too. be careful bro before they are hooked for six by someone ;D peace.

... Quran tells us about our creation, our identities and also about our shortcomings as part of this reality. It tells us that humans are hasty, impatient, easily deceived by the beautiful things of this life, often ungrateful to their creator and that the human self is inclined to evil. ... hmmm.., a little intriguing. I've heard the word "hanif" for sometimes. It's used to refer to "the nature of human of being in the good path, doing the right thing". If someone knows about this, please enlighten me. So far, all I can understand is we have been given heart by God to judge between the good and the evil thing every time in our lives. Maybe this is why there's the word "hanif". My point is, "hanif" is a little contradictive with what has been described. So, please enlighten me )

Peace be upon you, I think the companions being refered to are the false idols that humans fantasize about as being thier lords and saviors. Hell is a mental state that starts right here. If you are obsessed with money, and you dont have any, your emotions will "burn you" without killing you instantly. Or if you have imagined some "god" like Jesus, you will just sit and WAIT for someone to save you and in the meantime life will continue to test you and since you are taught to WAIT instead of purifying your spirit(nafs) and transcending emotional responses, you will continue to fail the tests.

peace Idolfree1, Quote The confusion is there was no written words send down in Arabic for Mohammed to read? the meaning "reading" can only be applied where there are written words to look at ID1-Exactly, except there is ONE VERSE which can always be read, the UNI-VERSE! bravo D peace.

Peace brother nasruddin, The ten nights most likely refer to the ten nights of fasting. Please see the following discussion for details http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2757

Salam Brother Ahmed, Peace Oben I wonder why you translated the following into English God The Most Merciful and you left Ar Rahman, in arabic? I think Brother Oben got a point there. Please refer to http//www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/rahman.htm . What do you think? Regards Salam brother gclandcp Actually bro i'm in favour of not translating His names at all i just thought that if you will trnaslate something then the rest of the sentence should be translated Salam

peace guest, excellent research . thank you D peace.

peace enquirer, thanks bro for your response. Peace.

Peace all, According to the link provided by brother Wakas, in Lane Lexicon the following are some of the definitions given for "daha" and derivatives DAHA spread, spread out, spread forth, EXPANDED, extended Usage God made the earth wide or ample; also said of an ostrich, he expanded or made wide with his foot or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs, making cavities in the ground like those of bellies; said of a man, he spread, and made plain, even, or smooth; also, he threw or cast, and impelled, PROPELLED, or REMOVED FROM ITS PLACE, a stone with his hand; DAHAHA He COMPRESSED her DAHA AL-BATN The belly was or became large and hanging down; it became SWOLLEN or INFLATED, or big, and hung down, by reason of fatness or disease. INDAHA it (belly) became wide or DISTENDED. The meanings in relation to earth in the qur'aan could be that it was made swollen, inflated, or distended, and also could be that the earth was propelled, removed from its place, like a stone thrown by the hand. So "daha" in relation to earth could be referring either to the shape of the earth (like that of a distended, swollen, inflated belly, hung down, or like that of the cavities in ground, shaped like bellies, dug by ostriches to lay their eggs, both of which imply it not being a perfect circle) or it could be referring to its elliptical orbit (like the trajectory of a stone propelled by throwing it by one's hand).

peace simple, As I understand it goes like this That Ibliss is that power inside us which did not surrender to us. All our other powers did surrender to us. Ibliss is the SELFISH DESIRE inside which we all feel his presence from time to time. encourages us to surrnder to him and follow our ego. GOD gave us the power of choice and faith and said if you pass the barrier of Iblis, then I will admit you the garden of my presence. The story of creation is the most fascinating story of the scripotures. peace,

Peace MZ, I would appreciate if you can quote the root words you have applied while presenting the expression. Have you applied the same Sad-Fa-Waw and Meem-Ra-Waw? if yes, please provide your references as to what had lead you to this conclusion. A brief explanation on how you have extended the root-meanings would he belpful. FocusBeyond.

Salaams Br, look at this Qala innee oreedu an onkihakaihda ibnatayya hatayni AAala anta/juranee thamaniya hijajin fa-in atmamta AAashranfamin AAindika wama oreedu an ashuqqa AAalayka satajiduneein shaa Allahu mina alssaliheena He said "I intend to wed one of these my daughters to thee, on condition that thou serve me for eight years; but if thou complete ten years, it will be (grace) from thee. But I intend not to place thee under a difficulty thou wilt find me, indeed, if Allah wills, one of the righteous." 8 Hijajin = 8 year, simerlarly i think we can say, 8 summers , 8 winters, and so forth - i think it was something like that Br, God Bless you. I agree with the above bro, but i don't agree yet that night can mean night or year, that is what i need to confirm Peace

Salam Arnoldyasin, Ahmedbahgat, all, Salaam, Can the arabic speaking persons tell what independent mean in arabic terms? Does it refer to mature women? To age or means of living(being independent on funds)? Also that 2433 can really be read as it is translated in the reformist trans. Thank you Peace Arnold Chapter 4 425 And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the believing independent women, then from the still dependant believing young women. God is more aware of your faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their wage in kindness; to be protected, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. If they become protected, then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the independent women of the retribution. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful. Chapter 5 55 Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them; and the independent from the believing women, and the independent from the people of the Scripture before you, if you have given them their dowries, protected, chaste, and not seeking to take lovers. And whoever rejects belief, then his work has fallen, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers. Chapter 24 244 And those who accuse the independent women and they do not bring forth four witnesses, then you shall lash them eighty lashes and do not ever accept their testimony. Those indeed are the evildoers. 2423 Those who accuse the independent chaste believing women, they will be cursed in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have a painful retribution. Peace I believe the arabic word "Mohassenat" means "Not Ma Malkat Aymanikum", i.e. Free God fearing women", independant can be used as I can't find an english word to suit it perfectly, it comes from the root Hassan with a Sad, which mean to build a protection, therefore i believe Mohassenat means the FREE women who protects their modesity , I don't think it means financially indpendent though peace My understanding of al-mohssanat is not in terms of independent or free but it is about those women who guard/protect their chastity (not necessary virgins). An example given to us of a mohssina woman was the mother of Jesus or Maryam. Verses 2191 and 6612, mentions the verb "ahsanat" (to be called mohssana that person has to practice al-haussn so she "ahsanat". So Mary "ahsanat farjaha" (literally she guarded her private parts). That same verb is found in verses 1248, 425, 3612, 7829 and 2180 in which regardless of the context, it has a sense of protecting/guarding from. The verse 2433 clearly shows what the tahassun (what al-mohssanat practice/do is called tahassun). Please see also veres 424 and 55 to understand the meaning of al-mohssanat. So for me the best word for al-mohssanat is the chaste women or in other words, women who are not "promescous"-). And God the All-Mighty knows best. Peace. Myr. Yes sister I agree that in the context it means exactly what you said, i was just trying to see if there is alink between Ma Malkatu Aymanukom and Mohasnat as both appreared in the same verse a couple of times I believe my understanding is Ma Malakatu Aymanukon, could not chose to have sex or not with his master or guirdian or whatever it is , but a Mohasnan woman is free to say no to this act was just an idea nothing more, i agree with you totally regarding the clear meanig according to the context and other related verses peace

Salam AhmedBahgat, all, Salam Taj, Ahmedbahgat, all, I always enjoy discussing the Quran with you, my only note would be, all of us then should be turned blue on that day, not the unbelievers only, and the verse was specific to the unbelievers, in another verse though it says that their faces will turn black in color peace be with you Not all of us. My understanding of resurrection in Quran is that not everybody will go through that process-). We do have examples in Quran of those believers who will make it directly to heaven or paradise (janah) at the time of their death without going through the resurrection and/or the time in the barzakh (intermediate state of death). I don't want to shift from the subject of this discussion but we can retrieve those verses that describe the joy of those who at the time of their death see paradise and rejoice at it. So with this understanding in mind that I think the verse in question we are studying would include everybody with the exception of what I call the true believers who will not experience the hardship of the resurrection day. And God the All-MIghty knows best. Peace. Myr. I agree sister, i never suggested that the unbelievers will go through this horryfing ordeal, in fact the Quran says that the believers faces will look white in color from the joy, i agree that my comment sounded that way but it was put wrong that's all lol , but you have to realize many of the believers will also be worried at the start of judgment because it is a matter of good deeds out weighting the bad deeds after the faith is concluded a success, and sure most of us if not all "with the exception of the prophets" can't know what the deed balance will be, that is why everyone will recieve a book with all the deeds recorded in it and we will be enough to judge ourselves and even convict ourselves, the worried believers though will have something the unbelivers will never have on that Day, which is the mercy of Allah to forgive the many bad deeds Peace